Mini Normal 1609: The Case Of Doctor Pepper (Game Over)

[TellTaleHeart]

YES!

Instead of just flippantly declaring me to be scum because of some mysterious thing

I'm

supposed to be doing that I'm not, why don't you discuss the Csareo read with me?

[TellTaleHeart]

Do any of you know what an actual scum tell is?

I can't speak for everyone else in the game, but I certainly don't. Actually, I'm becoming increasingly convinced that there isn't such a thing.

[Wake1]

I may tentatively vote for Csareo. He, Flubber, AK, and now Boonskiies all are making me wonder. Doogal and massive need to engage more.

This probably means that the players not really pinging on my radar are actually Scum. Rufflig, TTH, and someone else?

I'm not going to sugar coat it, Wake. I'm pretty annoyed with you right now.

You say that I haven't engaged you, but you're making it very clear that you have no intention of meeting me halfway.

Did you get this from 768?

YES!

Instead of just flippantly declaring me to be scum because of some mysterious thing

I'm

supposed to be doing that I'm not, why don't you discuss the Csareo read with me?

I never said in 768 that you haven't engaged me.

What I did say was that you weren't really pinging on my radar.

There's a difference. Please explain that discrepancy, TTH.

[TellTaleHeart]

Oh, don't be cute with me.

"Engage", "ping on your radar", you can choose whatever phraseology you want but it all implies the same thing: that the shortcoming is on my end.

If I'm not pinging on your radar, then look at your damn radar screen!

[Wake1]

Oh, don't be cute with me.

"Engage", "ping on your radar", you can choose whatever phraseology you want but it all implies the same thing: that the shortcoming is on my end.

If I'm not pinging on your radar, then look at your damn radar screen!

Please answer my question instead of reacting defensively.

Why the discrepancy, TTH? I'd like you to better explain yourself.

[TellTaleHeart]

The discrepancy in what?

What are you talking about?

[Wake1]

The discrepancy in what?

What are you talking about?

I'll repeat:

I never said in 768 that you haven't engaged me.

What I did say was that you weren't really pinging on my radar.

There's a difference. Please explain that discrepancy, TTH.

I don't understand why you're implying that you haven't engaged me in 768

when that never happened.

Just because you haven't really pinged on my radar doesn't mean I've said in 768 that you haven't engaged me. I'm not sure if you've tripped up in your lies or what, but I would like more answers from you on this until it gets resolved. If you simply misspoke, then please say so.

[Wake1]

*I don't understand why you're implying that I've said you haven't engaged me in 768

when that never happened.

[Wake1]

I'm unsure how your defensive should be interpreted.

[TellTaleHeart]

There's a difference.

You're really going to stand here and tell me that

given the context

, you're

not

calling me out on something in post 768?

This is clearly not true. Even without context.

How is "not pinged on my radar" supposed to be taken?!

Is anyone else seeing this? Am I insane?

I'm unsure how your defensive should be interpreted.

I am just beyond words.
You're just as bad as Csareo and his imaginary "scumslips".

[Csareo]

If I had to guess, there is inactive + lurking scum in this game.

[TellTaleHeart]

OK, I've gathered my thoughts.

Wake

:

One reason I'm so frustrated with this game is that I feel so absurdly out of the loop on the Csareo wagon. Another is that it feels like there's a few players (most notably you and Csareo) that's

completely missing the forest for the trees

.

Yes, it's true you didn't explicitly say I didn't engage you in post 768, but you

did

say it in post 702 and I took your "not ping the radar" comment as just a continuation of that train of logic.

[Wake1]

There's a difference.

You're really going to stand here and tell me that

given the context

, you're

not

calling me out on something in post 768?

This is clearly not true. Even without context.

How is "not pinged on my radar" supposed to be taken?!

Is anyone else seeing this? Am I insane?

I'm unsure how your defensive should be interpreted.

I am just beyond words.
You're just as bad as Csareo and his imaginary "scumslips".

If I had to guess, there is inactive + lurking scum in this game.

Please don't move the goalposts by bringing up the context. We're solely discussing 768. "Not pinged on my radar" doesn't mean you haven't engaged me, or haven't been active. Basically you've said that I said you haven't been engaging me. I never said that, so why are you saying that? Is imply said that you weren't really pinging on my radar.

And if you would, please don't develop a bad attitude towards me in this game. We're all here to work together to find Scum, so when you insult me you're being Anti-Town, because that's not helping one bit.

It's possible. I'm currently thinking there's 3 Scum in a team, to be on the safe side. There's likely an active Scum in the game, too. At this point anything is possible.

OK, I've gathered my thoughts.

Wake

:

One reason I'm so frustrated with this game is that I feel so absurdly out of the loop on the Csareo wagon. Another is that it feels like there's a few players (most notably you and Csareo) that's

completely missing the forest for the trees

.

Yes, it's true you didn't explicitly say I didn't engage you in post 768, but you

did

say it in post 702 and I took your "not ping the radar" comment as just a continuation of that train of logic.

If you believe I am missing something, then please illuminate it with clarity.

702 is not 768. I am hunting for discrepancies and odd reactions, TTH. You're now saying that you essentially assumed my 768 was a continuation of 702. Not engaging with me personally is not the same as not pinging on my radar. If you were to acknowledge that difference it would certainly allay some of my suspicions of you on this facet of the game. Do you normally use italics when you react defensively, TTH?

[Wake1]

*Fixed.

There's a difference.

You're really going to stand here and tell me that

given the context

, you're

not

calling me out on something in post 768?

This is clearly not true. Even without context.

How is "not pinged on my radar" supposed to be taken?!

Is anyone else seeing this? Am I insane?

I'm unsure how your defensive should be interpreted.

I am just beyond words.
You're just as bad as Csareo and his imaginary "scumslips".

Please don't move the goalposts by bringing up the context. We're solely discussing 768. "Not pinged on my radar" doesn't mean you haven't engaged me, or haven't been active. Basically you've said that I said you haven't been engaging me. I never said that, so why are you saying that? Is imply said that you weren't really pinging on my radar.

And if you would, please don't develop a bad attitude towards me in this game. We're all here to work together to find Scum, so when you insult me you're being Anti-Town, because that's not helping one bit.

If I had to guess, there is inactive + lurking scum in this game.

It's possible. I'm currently thinking there's 3 Scum in a team, to be on the safe side. There's likely an active Scum in the game, too. At this point anything is possible.

OK, I've gathered my thoughts.

Wake

:

One reason I'm so frustrated with this game is that I feel so absurdly out of the loop on the Csareo wagon. Another is that it feels like there's a few players (most notably you and Csareo) that's

completely missing the forest for the trees

.

Yes, it's true you didn't explicitly say I didn't engage you in post 768, but you

did

say it in post 702 and I took your "not ping the radar" comment as just a continuation of that train of logic.

If you believe I am missing something, then please illuminate it with clarity.

702 is not 768. I am hunting for discrepancies and odd reactions, TTH. You're now saying that you essentially assumed my 768 was a continuation of 702. Not engaging with me personally is not the same as not pinging on my radar. If you were to acknowledge that difference it would certainly allay some of my suspicions of you on this facet of the game. Do you normally use italics when you react defensively, TTH?

[Flubbernugget]

Guys I think scum needs more walls to hide behind.

Can we lynch BBT pls. And then put the spotlight on AK?

[The Rufflig]

Rufflig, you said you had some questions for me about my posts - was it just my posts about Csareo or did you have other questions?

Well, the back and forth on Csareo was one of the main things that I was curious about. I'll admit your answer did not help me. I was rather hoping to get some insight into how you were approaching your reads or the game or something. So, let me try again. Other than Jagged Alliance, who are you currently scum reading?

[Jagged Appliance]

Ok, I caught up. I forgot to do this in my first post so UNVOTE:

I'm about to go to bed so I'll just say a couple of things. I don't like the Csareo wagon. His cases are bad but that just makes him an easy mislynch. Like Anatole said, he's not likely to be NKed too often. Here's something specific I don't like from post 766:

To put it in your phraseology: Csareo is working towards a scum win condition by (1) pushing a bad case against someone who looks clearly town to me, thereby reducing the total town numbers, and (2) developing a persona that excuses a lot of his suspicious actions, thereby helping to protect himself against adverse actions.

(1) Csareo is making a bad case, yes, but town does that all the time, not just scum.
(2) I'm here to win this game, nothing else. I don't care about his persona. This also makes it sound like this is a policy lynch. Is it?

I think TTH is right that the Csareo wagon is suspicious. A few players have come out of the shadows and essentially taken potshots at an easy target without really doing much else.

Also, my gut didn't like Flubber so I ISOed him and it's one-liners all the way down. I don't know how I feel about that. I did find this though:

unvote
vote: Csaero

I think that was a slip

Guys!! Guys!! I know where the next wagon's going!!

Goodnight!

[The Rufflig]

@Jagged Alliance: Anyone besides Flubber that you don't like? Could you be more specific about who you don't like on the Csareo wagon? Do you feel Csareo's wagon sprang up to try and save BBT? What about BBT and his wagon?

[Csareo]

Do any of you know what an actual scum tell is?

I can't speak for everyone else in the game, but I certainly don't. Actually, I'm becoming increasingly convinced that there isn't such a thing.

I encourage you to look at this, and ask me again why I might be concerned about BBT.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... ding_Mafia

[The Rufflig]

What would most help me read you all right now is a statement to the effect of "Csareo is working toward a scum win condition in (such a way)." Assume nothing. Explain it to me like you would to explain it to a toddler, because that's the level I'm feeling at about now.

I cannot make a case in that manner. If you'd like a hint as to what other reasons I have for not liking Csareo, then I can help you. Go through Csareo's ISO. Make a note of who he is town reading (no one). Also make a note of who he is scum reading or taking shots at (almost everyone). Csareo is not trying to figure out who is scum and who is town; he is trying to keep all of his lynch options open.

[Boonskiies]

What would most help me read you all right now is a statement to the effect of "Csareo is working toward a scum win condition in (such a way)." Assume nothing. Explain it to me like you would to explain it to a toddler, because that's the level I'm feeling at about now.

I cannot make a case in that manner. If you'd like a hint as to what other reasons I have for not liking Csareo, then I can help you. Go through Csareo's ISO. Make a note of who he is town reading (no one). Also make a note of who he is scum reading or taking shots at (almost everyone). Csareo is not trying to figure out who is scum and who is town; he is trying to keep all of his lynch options open.

I don't like this post. He isn't taking shots at people and scum reading are two separate things. I only believe he has around 4 scum reads max, and some are wear scum reads for him, and he isn't pushing them as much. BBT is basically the only one he is pushing for, so I don't understand. Even we he strays a little, it's all based on him feeling that BBT is scum. I do believe he is town reading people. You can usually tell who people are town reading based off their interactions and scum reads alone. This being said, I believe Csareo is town reading Wake, but you really can't be too sure at this time in game really. Showing Csareo's ISO doesn't really help TTH, Rufflig, and you not being able to make a case for the person you think is scum is rubbing me the wrong way.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Csareo, but you are town reading Wake?

[Boonskiies]

*

He isn't

taking shots at people and scum reading are two separate things.

I didn't mean to put "He isn't" because he definitely is, I just meant to say that the two are different.

[Csareo]

Let's get something straight.
The ONLY two people I would consider lynching today are BBT and maybe massive.
I am null reading/town reading everyone else.
I am suspicious of a few people reacting to BBT's wagon, but they're null until there is an actual flip.

[Csareo]

@Boonskies-Wake was town, but he hasn't posted in awhile so I just reset my read on him.
I prefer to not look at people as "town" and "Scum"
We might fall into the same trap greencrayons and ruffling are in.
"You're scum for scum reading town" "You're town for scum reading scum"

The case is so petty and ridiculous. Associative tells are as bad as meta, just stop.
How many times have I heard this bullshit from scum? "You are going against a town objective blah blah" "You're scum for voting blah blah"
Make it end please. The ignorance really hurts.

[Boonskiies]

Ignorance usually comes from scum.