Mini 430: Villagers and Vampires (GAME OVER!)

[scotmany12]

I'm starting to think that the vampire is probably hiding among us. My suggestion is that we lynch a lurker, or inactive(I would prefer Yesterdays), and see where it leads us to tomorrow.

[Elias_the_thief]

I dont know if i want to lynch an inactive when I have scumtells against two active players. Obviously its more than possible that the vampire is among the inactives, but the vampires grow stronger every time we mislynch. I really wish we didnt have this deadline looming over our shoulders, forcing us to make a misguided decision.

[scotmany12]

What do you suggest we do then Elias? Do you want to lynch me? Then go for it. I honestly would be fine with it. Do you want to lynch Phoebus? That would be fine with me too. I'm just saying that I think the best play right now is to lynch an inactive, and hope we hit the vampire. If not we wait and see what happens. If the night last all the way until the deadline, then we have a good idea that the vampire is a lurker or inactive. We need a lynch, and we need it quick before the ones that are active lose interest.

[Snichkin]

vote: scotmany12

posts 200 and 202 are scumy I will tell more later have no time.

[Phoebus]

I've asked MeMe to poke the mod.

Inactive players and inactive mod is a combination I don't much care for.
Unless there is some decent effort on the part of the mod and players before the next day dawns, I will most likely ask to get replaced.

This is not fun anymore. I don't know/think that the mod can fix that.

[Blackberry]

Darkness soon sweeps over the town. A bloodbath insues. When morning awakes there is only five remaining... Yesterdays is found slaughetered on his front porch. dtsuei and Chaosjuggler were found hanging from nooses tied to the old widdow tree. Kill_Schmitty was found blood-drained, clenching a bible, near the entrance of the church. Zchinque was found dead in front of his computer, the computer still flickers pictures of famous vampire hunters. aude omnia's body wasn't found, but his head was perched on top of the church's cross. The town mourns and looks at eachother in fear...

Shanba
Phoebus
Snichkin
Elias_the_thief
scotmany12

Five remain, it will take three to lynch... the Vampire will no longer have the capability of recruiting other vampires, unstead it may kill. The vampire has grown selfish and now desires a sole victory for itself... AKA you will only have 2 more chances of staking the vampire...

[scotmany12]

Hmm. My top two suspects are Elias and Phoebus. Snickin could possibly be town, but he could also be the vampire. Shanba I generally believe he is protown. Not sure though.

[Elias_the_thief]

If you find us suspicious, actually help the town. Outline your reasons so that we can discuss and argue. Ive already outlined my reasons for suspecting scot and Pheobus. Now would also be a good time for shanba and snichkin to post some good stuff.

[Snichkin]

first of all #200 is very suspicious. you thought that the vampire is amoung the active players and sugested to stake one of the lurkers? mis-lynch is

always

anti-town. #202 is WIFOM and the same anti-town sugestion. also there are Elias's reasons for suspect scot although I think they're weaker.
so:

vote: scotmany12

[Shanba]

Paradgim Shift.

Great. We're now basically in an endgame situation with asoultely no information whatsoever. I'm gonna have to reread this game to try and get some insight.

[Shanba]

Right. Well reading through the thread, here are the reads I get on the players left alive:
Snich - scummy
Scot - scummish
Phoebus - townish
Elias - townish.

Snich's play this game worries me. He starts attacking Yesterdays. He presses him a lot and states that he is not happy with Yesterdays' response to his questions. But then, two posts after attacking Yesterdays, he trns around and attacks Phoebus for voting yesterdays. Then in his post subject 12, he turns around and attacks me for the same reason, stating that he doesnt like my vote on Yesterdays and finds my reasons weak. And yet, though my posts were lost in downtime, I had made it clear before that he was my primary suspect and he had no problem with it then. Also, a mere few posts before he had called me town looking. I don't understand how you can go from voting a person you think is scummy to voting a player who you think is town for voting the first player (if that sentence made any sense whatsoever XD). In fact, he even FoS es yesterdays in that same post (for lurking, which is at best a null tell). Then, two posts later, he revotes Yesterdays.

Also, his attack on me was based on the act that I hadn't given any explanation for my vote. yet this was by no means the first time I'd done that, nor was I the only one to do that, and if he had been paying attention he would have noticed that I had frequently voted players to start discussion throughout the game. Not to mention, he has frequently voted players for very little reason himself (Yesterdays -reasons given in downtime, Phoebus, for "trying to look right", myself, for voting yesterdays, yesterays again, for lurking, Phoebus, because Elias said so, scot for 2 scummy looking posts.)

unvote, vote Snichkin

Scotmany has struck me as being very careful in his play. He's posted quite a lot of fluff and game theory. His wording is cautious, inoffensive. He's a little worried about Phoebus, he's most suspicious of Yesterdays, but it's probably just poor play, he's just trying something out, Phoebus was just being sarcastic (at least that was how he read it), he was just trying something new, aude's post worries him a bit, he just doesn't know, he's willing to allow him to survive, etc etc. It's wishy-washy and scummy.

Then there's the way he's voted. He votes someone he doesnt think is scummy in the hope that something comes out of it (not a great premise for a pressure vote to tell everyone it's a pressure vote, and also not too useful on players who arent under any real scrutiny), he votes aude because his post worries him a bit and in the same post says that if this were a normal game he's think both aude and Zchinque were scumbuddies. He unvotes without revoting quite a few times (which I frankly dont get: why would you leave your vote doing nothing productive?), he votes Phoebus, unvotes him, calls him scummy and calls Elias scummy for his attack on him an all of about 3 posts.)

His latest post just makes me want to scream. No player should have this much trouble making their mind up and undermine their opinions quite so much unless they are scum.

FoS: Scotmany

oh god my keyboard just switched from azerty to qwerty. ill have to finish this later.

[scotmany12]

Actually snich, I thought that eh vampire was a lurker. Sorry if it did not seem that way but that is what I meant. I did not think the vampire is active.

[Phoebus]

Um...wow.

OK. Post by this time tomorrow.

[Phoebus]

Well...the modkills throw my theory out of the window.
Both people who were my suspects are dead and proven innocent in their deaths...


Having read over somewhat, I'd agree with Shanba about Snichkin.
Originally I read into his ramblings more as a function of his English but taking a closer look at his posts makes it seem to me as well that he was looking for a place to hang his vote and wherever the tide was flowing, he was happy to go...


In all honesty, my vote on Elias earlier was slightly OMGUS. I was frustrated by his faulty insistence that I was lurking in plain sight...


scot's post just before the mod did his thing was a little reminiscent of reverse psychology but I'll let it slide for the time being...

vote: Snichkin

[Elias_the_thief]

Hmm. The most townish player in my mind is probably shanba currently. Im still suspicicious of Pheobus, but not as much. I dislike how he went straight to agreeing with shanba though. Mainly the scum tell that I feel is most important in this game is wishy-washyness. The two biggests culprits are scot, and as pointed out by shanba, snich. Im going to reread some, but those two are my prime suspects right now.

[Elias_the_thief]

This a disgraceful level of activity...

mod, if you see fit to tell, did the vampire kill or convert last night?

[Phoebus]

I think we perhaps need Snichkin to come back and elaborate on his suspicions of scotmany and we need scot to talk. Period.


Otherwise, I have said what I needed to say and unless another issue comes up, which needs to be addressed, don't expect much from me.

[scotmany12]

I lost interest in this game. But I guess I will try.

Elias, when I voted for Phoebus, I was under the impression that he was lurking in plain sight throughout the game. That is not correct. Basically half of his posts were related to the game, when the other half was not. I wasn't willing to lynch him on that. I also did not understand why him voting for his two main suspects is considered scummy. I do agree that your third part of your case against him was accurate though. I thought you were trying to hard to make a case against Phoebus. Also, I would like to know how all of a sudden you find me more suspicious than Phoebus. Last time I checked, Phoebus was your top suspect.

Now, there is snicken. I think he has been more guilty than Phoebus when it comes to active lurking. Besides his one post addressing Yesterdays, I have not seen anything credible by him. Then he goes and takes my post out of context. When I said I thought the vampire was hiding among us, I though he was either lurking or just being inactive. He decided for himself that I meant that I thought the vampire was an active, but that I still wanted to lynch an inactive. No one in their right mind would do that.

[Elias_the_thief]

I never said you were my prime suspect. I said you were guilty of wishy-washiness. You had 3 posts about my case, and they went back and forth on your opinion of it, which I found suspicious. As for the active lurking thing, the main reason I attacked Pheobus because Pheobus was actually here, and attacking him would start conversation. I'll have to check out snichs posts.

[Blackberry]

1 of you is a Vampire, the other 4 are not Vampires

[Shanba]

Please, can we finish this game...
Snichkin is at -1. He should probably be given some time to contribute.

Anyways. My gut's not giving me quite the same signals as my logic. I think I'd actually prefer to lynch Scot today.

Unvote, Vote Scotmany

[Elias_the_thief]

meh. this game is extremely slow.
*crosses fingers and hope for the best*

vote: scotmany

[scotmany12]

Elias, I really don't think wishy-washiness is a good case in this game. Yeah I was gong back and forth between your case against phoebus, and I couldn't really make up my mind. That is just me being cautious though. Yesterday we should have been treating the vampire as an sk, and do you guys honestly see an sk type player doing something like that? The vampire isn't going to want to bring attention to himself like what I did. If, however, you truly think a vampire would do something like that, then by all means, feel free to lynch me.

[scotmany12]

Actually I think i was just lynched. Wish you would have let me speak elias.

[Elias_the_thief]

I feel a vampire would try to agree with a lot of people to blend in. I think youre already lynched however.