Micro 387: Double Day Unlimited (GAME OVER)

[OkaPoka]

I voted you cause I thought you were scummy. And I forgot I left my vote on you, my bad.

Also rosey is town.

[roseylily]

I voted you cause I thought you were scummy. And I forgot I left my vote on you, my bad.

Also rosey is town.

This doesn't make sense;
here:

lol that post above is a joke btw

NM you still scumread xay? He seems town to me.

eyyy talk to me

are my reads shit?

All are good except rosey, flubber, and hawkman

What's bad about above 3?

Rosey i feel is scum. Now I am getting a slight scumread on flubber, but my pov was different before. Hawkman feels town.

you say I'm scum.

Six hours later, I ask why you think I'm scum (post #163), and the next day, you unvote me without giving any explanation why you suddenly changed your mind (post 172). After I ask you why you changed your mind, you just say that you "forgot you left your vote on me", even though this isn't true; instead, you (for some reason) felt I was scum until I asked why you thought so, suddenly changed your mind and unvoted, and then for some reason believe that, in the one day between when you "felt I was scum" and you unvoted (when you posted nothing, so really there weren't any posts you might have forgotten to unvote me in), you changed your mind to deciding that I was town and forgot you had voted me in the first place.
This just seems really suspicious to me; so I'm curious:
- Why were you so sure I was scum in the first seven pages of the game? Just the rvs vote?
- Why did you change your mind and unvote me? What makes you think that I'm town now?
- Why did you say that you "forgot to unvote me" when it seems like you just unvoted me with no rationale whatsoever (basically the opposite of what you said)?

[scrambles]

Actually not flubber. The way we're going we are more likely to rush a lynch on two people when we scramble for votes at the end.
This will only play into scum hands by allowing them to manipulate the lynch.
plus a flip earlier will give us associative reads for the second lynch. We push that back too far and ill guarantee that not everyone will be able to read into those clues. Im citing myself as an example here being v/LA and everything

[Rob14]

Vote Count #1.8:

Flubbernugget:

Xayzeck, Not_Mafia, OkaPoka, kyndy101 (4)

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia, kyndy101, scrambles (3)

Not_Mafia:

ZZZX, kyndy101, roseylily (3)

ProHawk:

Xayzeck, kyndy101, roseylily (3)

ZZZX:

scrambles, Flubbernugget (2)

kyndy101:

OkaPoka, Flubbernugget (2)

scrambles:

ProHawk (1)

Not Voting:

None.

With 9 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2014-09-28 10:15:00)

[ProHawk]

One of kndy, and roselily is scum.

One of oka and flubbed is scum, although I am leaning more oka based on the kndy vote.

I am being thrown up as a counter wagon based on an inaccurate premise which has yet to be hypothesized as scummy and which I have already explained as false.

[ProHawk]

UNVOTE: scrambles
VOTE: kyndy101

[Xayzeck]

Flubber was being very non-committal, so I asked him what he commits to. I was hoping to get some reads out of him, but he just came back with a generic answer. Same with Oka, I wanted him to provide some reads, but he also came back with a generic answer. Both responses look scummy to me. Why didn't you get anything out of them?

I did on flubber, not on Oka. Your question to Oka was super hard to answer, and that's not really how you ask for reads? I don't think there's a definite active/lurker group either, and even so, why do you think splitting up the playerlist this way would be effective?

Also, even after these interactions, no votes?

[Xayzeck]

I know. It doesn't mean we should use the double day by rushing the first lynch.

Why do you feel it's rushing?

[Xayzeck]

Walls to be read, yet I don't have time that can be spent

Oka's definitely climbing up my scumlist tho

[ProHawk]

There was when I asked it. I didn't want to place people at L-1 with such a young playerlist.

[ProHawk]

Also, explain to me how that question was hard?

Players X, Y, and Z are lurking.

Players A, B and C are posting a lot and being active.

I ask, do you think scum resides in group X, Y, and Z or A, B and C?

If you have town-reads on A, B, and C then clearly your answer would be in the lurking group. If you have scum-reads on player A and B then you would answer in the active group. If you have gut scum reads on player Y and a scum read on player B then you would answer both. Its not rocket science dude.

[OkaPoka]

Prohawk is town.

Rosey you are town for that previous post i referred to.

FLubber is scum.

[Flubbernugget]

Actually not flubber. The way we're going we are more likely to rush a lynch on two people when we scramble for votes at the end.
This will only play into scum hands by allowing them to manipulate the lynch.
plus a flip earlier will give us associative reads for the second lynch. We push that back too far and ill guarantee that not everyone will be able to read into those clues. Im citing myself as an example here being v/LA and everything

This is reeeeeealy bad but still town :/

Prohawk have you explained your scumread on rose? All I can see is being apologetic but that's a straw grasp.

[roseylily]

One of kndy, and roselily is scum.

One of oka and flubbed is scum, although I am leaning more oka based on the kndy vote.

I am being thrown up as a counter wagon based on an inaccurate premise which has yet to be hypothesized as scummy and which I have already explained as false.

What makes you think that one of kyndy/me and one of oka/flubber is scum?

[OkaPoka]

yeah rosey, flubber and xay are all town.

[OkaPoka]

oops i meant hawk

[ZZZX]

I voted you cause I thought you were scummy. And I forgot I left my vote on you, my bad.

Also rosey is town.

This doesn't make sense;
here:

lol that post above is a joke btw

NM you still scumread xay? He seems town to me.

eyyy talk to me

are my reads shit?

All are good except rosey, flubber, and hawkman

What's bad about above 3?

Rosey i feel is scum. Now I am getting a slight scumread on flubber, but my pov was different before. Hawkman feels town.

you say I'm scum.

Six hours later, I ask why you think I'm scum (post #163), and the next day, you unvote me without giving any explanation why you suddenly changed your mind (post 172). After I ask you why you changed your mind, you just say that you "forgot you left your vote on me", even though this isn't true; instead, you (for some reason) felt I was scum until I asked why you thought so, suddenly changed your mind and unvoted, and then for some reason believe that, in the one day between when you "felt I was scum" and you unvoted (when you posted nothing, so really there weren't any posts you might have forgotten to unvote me in), you changed your mind to deciding that I was town and forgot you had voted me in the first place.
This just seems really suspicious to me; so I'm curious:
- Why were you so sure I was scum in the first seven pages of the game? Just the rvs vote?
- Why did you change your mind and unvote me? What makes you think that I'm town now?
- Why did you say that you "forgot to unvote me" when it seems like you just unvoted me with no rationale whatsoever (basically the opposite of what you said)?

I have read this post but I must note this thing:

Even thou that it might looks like scummy (in the first 2 points) it might be townie as some kind of conf bais for #1 and basically hesitation for #2. Not sure about #3 thou. It is interesting.

#Reading on

[ProHawk]

What makes you think that one of kyndy/me

I am town, and I doubt all town are on me at this point, considering the reason I am being voted is the buzz-word.

and one of oka/flubber is scum?

This is based on them both being lead-wagons while I am being pushed as a counter-wagon to them both. Coupled with reasons I have already given for my scum-reading them.

[ProHawk]

Prohawk have you explained your scumread on rose?

Its basically OMGUS. I don't think I actually stated an actual scum-read on her, its just probability POE.

[ProHawk]

Also, re-thinking things, my gut may be WAY off track due to extra votes and such. We'll see after some flips though.

[Not_Mafia]

There is scum in the [Oka, Flubber, Prohawk] block, in that order. I still think this games needs a flip

[ProHawk]

Explain.

[Not_Mafia]

You're either a scum counterwagon to Oka and/or Flubber or they're town and the wagon on you is the legit one

[ProHawk]

That makes zero sense. Why would scum make me a counter wagon if the two leading wagons are on town?

[Not_Mafia]

You're scum in that scenario and the wagon on you would be town driven