Micro 387: Double Day Unlimited (GAME OVER)

[Rob14]

Vote Count #1.7:

OkaPoka:

Not_Mafia, kyndy101, scrambles (3)

Flubbernugget:

Xayzeck, Not_Mafia, OkaPoka (3)

Not_Mafia:

ZZZX, kyndy101 (2)

ZZZX:

scrambles, Flubbernugget (2)

kyndy101:

OkaPoka, Flubbernugget (2)

scrambles:

ProHawk (1)

ProHawk:

Xayzeck (1)

Not Voting:

roseylily

With 9 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2014-09-21 10:15:00)

[Xayzeck]

Can't get behind a vote like this.

What can you get behind?

Oka, lurking scum, or active scum?

posts like these, often followed up with an answer, but where are these points now that you are producing substantial content

tell me, what did you hope to achieve with these questions, and how would they help you figure out whether they were town/scum?

[Xayzeck]

How does that even remotely suggest buddying

"yes flubber is scummy and he's a good lynch and that's interesting but let's not lynch him because he lacks interactions"

If it's a scumlynch, it's a scumlynch. I could care less about interactions. Scumlynch is a scumlynch, interactions and associations are a bonus.

[OkaPoka]

When did I say we shouldn't lynch him?

I merely stated that his flip will not really give us pointers on next scum, implying we shouldn't rush a lynch. But I do fully support the flubber wagon.

[Xayzeck]

ah right, you didn't say we shouldn't lynch him, sorry about that.

but you get the idea, right? the "yes let's lynch but it's not a good lynch" kind of thing?

though that point is a lot weaker now

[OkaPoka]

I didn't say it was a bad lynch. I just believe contrary to notmafia's point that we shouldn't rush a lynch. We should take as much time as needed for the push due to his flip will lead us to minimal info on who is next scum.

[scrambles]

I feel like having two votes has stagnated the ability to gain traction on anyone.
there is so much vote spread in the votals its kind of ridiculous.
I feel like if we focused on one vote at a time this would help narrow the spectrum.

Oka if there was one person you wanted to lynch who would it be?

[ZZZX]

How does that even remotely suggest buddying

"yes flubber is scummy and he's a good lynch and that's interesting but let's not lynch him because he lacks interactions"

If it's a scumlynch, it's a scumlynch. I could care less about interactions. Scumlynch is a scumlynch, interactions and associations are a bonus.

Xay is town

[Not_Mafia]

Have you guys read the rules?

1) Double Day: The town can lynch two players per day before a night phase begins.

After the first lynch of a day phase, all votes reset, but the deadline does not.

[ProHawk]

what did you hope to achieve with these questions, and how would they help you figure out whether they were town/scum?

Flubber was being very non-committal, so I asked him what he commits to. I was hoping to get some reads out of him, but he just came back with a generic answer. Same with Oka, I wanted him to provide some reads, but he also came back with a generic answer. Both responses look scummy to me. Why didn't you get anything out of them?

[ProHawk]

Xay is town

Are you?

[Rob14]

Have you guys read the rules?

1) Double Day: The town can lynch two players per day before a night phase begins.

After the first lynch of a day phase, all votes reset, but the deadline does not.

I don't think I thought that through well enough, on second thought. Due to the nature of the game and setup mechanics, I'm going to extend deadlines in each day to 3 weeks instead of 2 weeks. Lynches still do not reset deadlines, though. The only updated rule is #3 under Voting/Deadline Rules in Post #1.

[Rob14]

kyndy101 and roseylily have been prodded.

[OkaPoka]

Have you guys read the rules?

1) Double Day: The town can lynch two players per day before a night phase begins.

After the first lynch of a day phase, all votes reset, but the deadline does not.

I know. It doesn't mean we should use the double day by rushing the first lynch.

[OkaPoka]

But flubber can be lynched

[kyndy101]

Oof, sorry guys. Shrek is getting hectic, we're moving stuff around in the house and getting new carpet and finishing our basement... Along with hw and choir :/
Hold on, I'm going to read through the game and post again in a while

[kyndy101]

Ok, finished reading.. And my scumreads now are:

Prohawk = #1
Flubber = #2
Oka = #4



NM = null, leaning scum now
ZZZX = null
Scrambles = extremely null





Ok, now I'm going to go through the ISOs of every user (even my nulls) and say what I feel is scummy and towny of each May spread out a day or two depending on how quickly I get finished with each person)

[kyndy101]

Oh I forgot

VOTE: Prohawk

VOTE: Flubbernugget

[OkaPoka]

Who is number 3?

[ProHawk]

Prohawk = #1
Flubber = #2
Oka = #4

You realize that your top scum-read is top scum-reading your #2 and #4... lol. That was almost a good try?

[roseylily]

Ugh, sorry I haven't posted. Like kyndy, I'll post my scumreads after reading the past few pages.

[Flubbernugget]

I feel like having two votes has stagnated the ability to gain traction on anyone.
there is so much vote spread in the votals its kind of ridiculous.
I feel like if we focused on one vote at a time this would help narrow the spectrum.

Oka if there was one person you wanted to lynch who would it be?

You realize we can gain more traction by getting wagons going faster right?

[roseylily]

I get it now Flubby! You ask questions. Right.

Well you're missing the forest for the trees. Maybe I noticed direct challenges were causing stalemates and wanted to take a different approach?

See, I have been at this a long time. I try not to spoon feed people because it gets, well, boring. People should be playing the game, providing reads, making cases, refuting cases and the like. Which I have been doing. Which you have not been doing.

I also like that you're saying people shouldn't have to spoon feed people, but can't get reads off of Xay's minimalist style.

One liner question posts are people wanting to look like they are scum-hunting, when in reality they are scum. You are sitting back, apparently have a scum read (me) but haven't voted yet, despite my only having picked up one vote at this point. Despite having the POWER of multiple votes. May be playstyle, may be scum-caution. I am leaning toward the latter. I would vote you if you weren't at L-2 already.

Rose gotcha here. I dare you to tell me I'm sheeping like your ideas are that complex.

I'm not completely sure why you directed this post to me? I wasn't about to say that you were sheeping. I might be misunderstanding your post, though :/

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In any case, these are my reads on everyone:
Prohawk: Scum. In the very beginning, he made some okay points, but shortly afterwards, started active lurking by posting mostly posts with little or no content. After Xay pointed it out, started writing more detailed posts and such.
Xay: Town. Made some pretty good points about everybody and explained his reasoning pretty well.
Oka: Null. At first, I read him as town due to his aggressiveness, but I'm not sure what this might signify anymore because apparently this is part of his meta no matter what. Very, very active.
Flubber: Null, leaning scum somewhat? His first post made me read him as inactive but maybe somewhat towny, but the quality of his content definitely deteriorated after that, especially with the Spartacus post (I don't even understand the reference?)
Kyndy: Null. Was fairly inactive, but this doesn't really tell me much since I've been sadly inactive as well.
NM: Leaning scum. Posted quite a bit in the beginning, but has become pretty inactive since the first one-two days. Plus, considering the amount of posts he's made, I wouldn't say that his posts have had a lot of content.
Scrambles: Null. Hasn't really posted a lot; content is kind of low considering the number of posts he has, but his posts don't seem particularly scummy, either.
ZZZX: Null, maybe slightly scummy because he seems to be lurking.

I'll try to do something more in-depth if I have more time. For now, my scumreads are:
1. Prohawk
2. Not_Mafia
3. Flubber

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Anyway, sorry I'm posting this so late; I'll vote once I check the vote-counts so I don't put anyone at L1 or hammer by accident.

[Flubbernugget]

I get it now Flubby! You ask questions. Right.

Well you're missing the forest for the trees. Maybe I noticed direct challenges were causing stalemates and wanted to take a different approach?

See, I have been at this a long time. I try not to spoon feed people because it gets, well, boring. People should be playing the game, providing reads, making cases, refuting cases and the like. Which I have been doing. Which you have not been doing.

I also like that you're saying people shouldn't have to spoon feed people, but can't get reads off of Xay's minimalist style.

One liner question posts are people wanting to look like they are scum-hunting, when in reality they are scum. You are sitting back, apparently have a scum read (me) but haven't voted yet, despite my only having picked up one vote at this point. Despite having the POWER of multiple votes. May be playstyle, may be scum-caution. I am leaning toward the latter. I would vote you if you weren't at L-2 already.

Rose gotcha here. I dare you to tell me I'm sheeping like your ideas are that complex.

I'm not completely sure why you directed this post to me? I wasn't about to say that you were sheeping. I might be misunderstanding your post, though :/

I'm saying you already called out ProHawk over the one liners so there was no need for me to reiterate.

[roseylily]

@Oka:
Please explain why you voted me in the beginning and then unvoted once I asked why you thought I was scummy?

UNVOTE: rose

Also, Flubber is at L1 now.

Vote: ProHawk
Vote: Not_Mafia

I believe that puts both ProHawk and NM at L2, but I'm not sure; if I'm wrong, sorry >.<