Mini 451 - Totally Awesome Mafia, Game Over

[bobbyplump]

Well I didn't mean to confuse things, OTM. I just don't want a week of five-post days so that Aimee can come back and cast a vote on the 10th.

[A Papaya]

You wanna know why I unvoted N-L at first? It's cause I did think he was town for a bit...but he convinced me he was scum again.

[PJ.]

Lowell - 2(The Highland Sage, NabakovNabakov)
Nekka-Lucifer - 6(Stewie, crashtextdummie, ~N9V~, A Papaya, Off The Mark, Hjallti)
Off The Mark - 2(Nekka-Lucifer, bobbyplump)
Hjallti - 1(Lowell)

Not Voting - (Aimee)


With 12 alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

[Hjallti]

Risking to sound overdefensive again I would like to answer boby's analysis by just saying that any action out of the next 4 of me could be explained as a scumtell, in my opinion, and even regardless of what N-L turns out to be when lynched.

a) Posting without voting: N-L scum: I don't want to lynch a buddy; N-L protown: I didn't want to bandwagon
b) Voting N-L: N-L scum: creating distance; N-L protown: opportunity
c) Not posting: Lurking, while active in the week normally
d) Voting someone else: see a)

This means that someone who is convinced I'm scum would be likely to find more proof in that post and that means that proof is false.

Therefor I have a conclusion, which I will address after the ***

I want to re-explain why I think I helped town most by choosing b), in other words why I think N-L is scum. I started with defending myself in the first pages because I felt attacked, and not because I needed to (in hindsight). I think I started to understand that at some point and stopped defending, because I have nothing to hide anyway. Since N-L is in the same situation (at some point we were both at some 3 votes), he should have realized the same and he didn't, from there I stopped believing he was newbie-town, thus I voted.

(by the way I would like to hear if ~N9V~ agrees on this point because he's been there)



***
Allthough there is no proof for me being scum, and as far as I know no point made hasn't been addressed. I clearly made some mistakes by overeagerness, which could cost town a player tomorrow (a pretty useless newbie but a townie anyway)

[Off the Mark]

Good post, Hjallti. It does put you in a tough spot when you are under suspicion. Everything you do from then on is either "scummy" or "scum trying not to look scummy". I have been in that position too, and it stinks. We'll figure it out more on day 2. I have some ideas, but I don't want to muddy the waters at this point.

[~N9V~]

I agree about you being defensive, and about how N-L isn't a newb town in your eyes, I think that's what you want. Guys,I say we lynch N-L today, find out his role, and go from there.

If he comes up town, find out who was attacking him the most, and if scum, find out who was defending him, then started to attack him towards the end of his life. That will help us find scum.

[Lowell]

I agree about you being defensive, and about how N-L isn't a newb town in your eyes, I think that's what you want. Guys,I say we lynch N-L today, find out his role, and go from there.

If he comes up town, find out who was attacking him the most, and if scum, find out who was defending him, then started to attack him towards the end of his life. That will help us find scum.

Uh, this is an extremely suspicious post.

You say we should kill him, then say we should attack those pushing for his lynch if he turns up town.

Wouldn't that be.. uh... YOU?

unvote

. I'm a little wary of this. I sort of like the idea of having more than one bandwagon to jump on. Let me find a good one.

[Lowell]

vote Off The Mark

Why the hell not. Genearlly I'm not particularly suspicious of him, but I don't like the way discussion has sort of fizzled out of late. Makes me think we've maybe got the wrong guy.

[Off the Mark]

@Lowell

So, you're not suspicious of me, but you want to cast a vote for me simply so that there's another bandwagon. OK... what's your goal here? Do you think we need more discussion? I think the reason that discussion has "fizzled" is because most people are happy with where their votes are and Nekka is not posting much of a defense of himself. The only people who really have something to discuss at this point is you and Nabakov and the people who aren't here all week.

If you really want to generate discussion, I think you'll need to build a case against me. I am fine with that, if you want to go that direction, as it will certainly generate more discussion. But I think we might be better off moving on to day 2 at this point, simply to keep everyone interested in the game. When Day 1 lasts forever, you start getting lots of players replaced and then the game is not as good.

@N9V

That post looks pretty scummy, man. To me it looks like you are saying "If Nekka is town, lynch OtM and if he is scum, lynch Hjallti." You should know how bad it looks to be planning tomorrow's lynch at this point. It is sooo easy for scum to setup scenarios so that it becomes a no-lose situation for them the next day, especially since they already know what the result of today's lynch will be. Also, you are experienced enough so that you should know that the most likely scum are not the ones driving a wrong bandwagon, they are ones leaping on board a bad bandwagon. I started out driving the N-L bandwagon, but then I thought I had a clearer scumtell from Hjallti, so I started up a new one. Then N-L came along and convinced me he was the more likely scum, so I went back to my original suspicion.

[~N9V~]

No, I'm not saying anything like that, but we need to start somewhere to look into scum. And no, it wouldn't be me Lowell, I haven't attacked him directly, not like lots of other peeps.

[Nekka-Lucifer]

Ok, I think I have officially given up... If everyone agrees to vote Off the Mark on day 2, then i will happily lynch myself...

[Lowell]

unvote, vote NL

I really hate concession speeches. Is this game actually that exhausting??? You type in a few lines every few days or so. Please.

[Off the Mark]

unvote

I want to see the reactions to the latest posts before we end the day.

[Off the Mark]

ugh, too late.

[Off the Mark]

wait, no it isn't... Lowell didn't use a colon.

unvote:

[NabakovNabakov]

As long as the mod chooses to recognize that detail, then this post might mean something.

OTM, you said that Lowell and me were the only ones left with anything to actually discuss (because the only action that could be possible right now is to discuss N-L, I guess), Lowell obviously breezed pass discussion in favor of what he hoped would be decisive action. You might be able to say that I'm not changing my vote to N-L because I'd like it to stay on Lowell, and you'd be right. He tried to use some throwaway excuse instead of logic (or even Craplogic) to put the hammah on a player I still can't figure out why we're lynching. N-L is stupid, flakey, and possibly a detriment to the town, but that doesn't make him scum. One thing I've noticed from playing and reading games is that when it comes to deciding noob-town or noob-scum, the noob overshadows everything else. You just can't tell. We're taking a shot in the dark here and we have only a 1/4-1/3 chance of hitting the target.

But I guess that's what the day 1 lynch is all about, a shot in the dark. It's just that it feels like we're taking the shot with our toes. I'm sure somebody (OTM, Lowell, a suicidal N-L) is going to post the hammer sometime soon, and I'm glad I got to say my 2-cents.

[Off the Mark]

Ok, I think I have officially given up... If everyone agrees to vote Off the Mark on day 2, then i will happily lynch myself...

Nekka, could you expand on this a little bit more? If you could just explain some of your motivations a little bit...

I really hate concession speeches. Is this game actually that exhausting???

Is this really a reason to hammer someone? Especially someone you didn't want to vote for just a couple posts back?

[~N9V~]

Yep, we lynched our first scum. Giving up isn't all that bad of a scum tell, but saying that if your not scum, then someone else is, that is huge scum tell.

[Off the Mark]

Well he did that 3 pages ago... I'm so very confused. I guess we need a mod call on Lowell's vote. When I look at Nekka's recent posts, I think, "How could he be scum? Either he IS just a confused newb or he's suddenly gotten very clever on us." But then I go back and read posts where he says

I'm convinced that OTM is scum!!! -- PS: I barely read your post.

and I wonder what the hell I was thinking when I was unvoting him. If he's townie, he's not helping us. If he's scum, he takes all the attention away from the other scum. So in a way, he could be playing well!

vote: Nekka-Lucifer

[Stewie]

Ok, I think I have officially given up...

You never really tried...

[A Papaya]

Ok, I think I have officially given up...

You never really tried...

Haha, right.

And I don't think I've ever seen someone give up and NOT get lynched.

[CrashTextDummie]

Someone will have to re-hammer if the mod decides to be anal about Lowell's vote.

[NabakovNabakov]

Haha, right.

And I don't think I've ever seen someone give up and NOT get lynched.

And how many times have they been scum? (Just curious)

[Stewie]

Haha, right.

And I don't think I've ever seen someone give up and NOT get lynched.

And how many times have they been scum? (Just curious)

I only gave up once and I was scum. I was a newbie, and I was 14.

[NabakovNabakov]

At least you have a year on N-L