Mini Normal 1609: The Case Of Doctor Pepper (Game Over)

[Anatole Kuragin]

So while we're dealing in elementary associations, would you, by the inverse, be scum if she flips town for attacking her?

There is no discrepancy. I've asked that you point it out.

[Wake1]

Hm.

Rereading her third post, it could be read as either a slip, or is just a weird way of talking. She should be clearer in her words, because it's very reasonable to misread that as a disjointed slip. I'm not sure it is, but it DOES look like one initially.

[Anatole Kuragin]

No, it really doesn't.

[DoctorPepper]

Pretty sure you have to paraphrase everything, BBT. Even stuff from QTs/PTS.

Ninja'd.

I'm surprised you can quote your QT.

From what I know, PTs are fair game. We only ban quoting of Role PMs because usually they are indiscriminate proof of one's alignment. A PT just shows us who youre talking to. It Doesnt really confirm much.

[DoctorPepper]

Vote Count 1.01

Flubbernugget(2)

- Csareo, scrambles

BlueBloodedToffee(2)

- TellTaleHeart, Doogal121

GreyICE(2)

- Flubbernugget, Boonskiies

Wake88(1)

- Rambler

Rambler(1)

- The Rufflig

Boonskiies(1)

- massive

Anatole Kuragin(1)

- GreyICE

TellTaleHeart(1)

- Wake88

scrambles(1)

- BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting(1)

- Anatole Kuragin,

Vote History:

GreyICE - The Rufflig, BlueBloodedToffee, Anatole Kuragin
Doogal121 - GreyICE, BlueBloodedToffee
TellTaleHeart - BlueBloodedToffee
Flubbernugget - GreyICE, GreyICE again
Wake88 - Boonskiies, TellTaleHeart
scrambles - Flubbernugget
Rambler - Wake88
massive - The Rufflig, Boonskiies
Anatole Kuragin - BlueBloodedToffee, UNVOTE
The Rufflig - Rambler
BlueBloodedToffee - TellTaleHeart, Anatole Kuragin, UNVOTE, TellTaleHeart, UNVOTE, scrambles
Boonskiies - massive, GreyICE,
Csareo - Flubbernugget

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is on Sunday, September 21, 2014, 11:00 AM {(expired on 2014-09-21 11:00:00)}

Mod notes:

Youre all active, yayyyy. Well, almost.[/area]

[Anatole Kuragin]

that is a beautiful VC

[Anatole Kuragin]

Man I can't wait to hear from greyice again!

[The Rufflig]

The ones of Wake's I linked were two of them. The only other player I directly observed was GreyICE.

You have two completed games with Flubbernugget, do you not?

[The Rufflig]

Erm, well 1 anyway.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

We need to get our shit organized. Look how spread out the votes are right now.

Scum must be sitting comfortable.

[Anatole Kuragin]

we have almost 12/14 days dude

[The Rufflig]

I think someone was interested in my thoughts on BlueBloodedToffee vs TelllTaleHeart.

TTH: "I haven't had any games with him, but I've read a couple games with Wake88 and I've seen his posts around the forum (particularly Mafia Discussion). To my understanding, he's a pretty divisive player.

Have you played with Wake88 before and how do you go about tackling a read like that?"

I'll admit that does look like a response to someone. However, what if we switch the reference around?

TTH: "I haven't had any games with Wake88, but I've read a couple games with him and I've seen his posts around the forum (particularly Mafia Discussion). To my understanding, he's a pretty divisive player.

Have you played with Wake88 before and how do you go about tackling a read like that?"

Now it lines up with what TellTaleHeart claims to have meant. While it looked odd, I'm not inclined to believe this was more than a bit of bad grammar on TTH's part.

[scrambles]

unvote

Sorry everyone. Please be patient with me. Trying to catch up.

[Anatole Kuragin]

guys, it's not bad grammar. it's just a different way of laying out the sentence...

[Wake1]

guys, it's not bad grammar. it's just a different way of laying out the sentence

...

I never liked oddly-placed ellipses. Anyways.

DoctorPepper, I'm ripping your Vote History stuff for VCs in my future games. I will NOT be outdone.

I have a lot of work tomorrow, so bear with me please. It's tough getting into Mafia when you're freshly drained to a husk from work.

[Wake1]

DoctorPepper, I have an important question for you.

Are Scum allowed to quote posts from their QT/PT, assuming they have Daytalk?

[The Rufflig]

Very interesting. You knew I suspected you right? That's why you've come out all guns blazing on me. Opening vote? It's RVS, is there a reason you're so paranoid?

I believe TTH slipped to me in the neighbour thread. It looked like she was replying to somebody else with the way she started her message. I think she knows she slipped and is trying to get me out of the way.

Also, my RVS vote is now a serious vote.

BBT clearly cites a reason for his distrust of TTH prior to the game opening. BBT's vote on TTH can not be considered a rvs vote. The characterization of TTH being paranoid is libelous.

The more I read her message, the more I think it actually might not be a slip.

I still don't understand her coming for me straight away and letting everyone know there is a neighbourhood. That's just anti-town at best and scummy at worst.

BBT backpedals on the slip and pushes a different reason for TTH to be scum. He pushes this reason some more in post 45 as well as restating that his initial vote was rvs.

In post 115, BBT shows the "slip" post by TTH. However, BBT is no longer convinced that this post is scummy. So why bring it up again? Well, he starts bringing up the this was a scum slip argument again. He then waffles back and forth between it being a slip and not being a slip.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

[The Rufflig]

Do you guys not see the comma and dependent clause after it?

Negative. These are two independent clauses joined by a coordinating conjunction.

I haven't had any games with him, but I've read a couple games with Wake88 and I've seen his posts around the forum (particularly Mafia Discussion).
I haven't had any games with him. I've read a couple games with Wake88 and I've seen his posts around the forum (particularly Mafia Discussion).

[Flubbernugget]

Flubber

: Do you think there are circumstances where a townie should lie? If so, can you give some examples?

With the exception of some 1337 gambits that I could pull from the wiki, next to none. But I don't see any strong scum motivation in AK's lie. Like, I'm going to claim right now I have a 13 inch penis. Do you think a wagon is going to form on me over it because of "lynch all liars"? It was anti-town to lie, but how is my lie going to forward scum? And that's ignoring the debate of whether or not he actually lied or not.

Oh, and BBT sheeped Ice's bullcrap, and then pulled out like 3 posts later?

VOTE: BBT

Pedit: High School English sucked balls.

[Boonskiies]

Unvote

@Scrambles - Why did you unvote? You haven't caught up since your last post, so what changed your scum read between then and now?

[Csareo]

Sorry, but I don't have much to contribute today.
Casting my vote in the meantime VOTE: Telltaleheart

[DoctorPepper]

DoctorPepper, I have an important question for you.

Are Scum allowed to quote posts from their QT/PT, assuming they have Daytalk?

Im only going to point out the one rule regarding Role PMs and you can take what you will of it.

Unrelated: good luck doing Vote History on a Large. Its hard enough doing it on a Mini :/

[Wake1]

Mmhmm...

So we haven't been assured that Scum cannot quote posts from their QT/PT and pass it off as being from a Neighborhood.

Interesting...

[massive]

Flubber

: Do you think there are circumstances where a townie should lie? If so, can you give some examples?

With the exception of some 1337 gambits that I could pull from the wiki, next to none. But I don't see any strong scum motivation in AK's lie. Like, I'm going to claim right now I have a 13 inch penis. Do you think a wagon is going to form on me over it because of "lynch all liars"? It was anti-town to lie, but how is my lie going to forward scum? And that's ignoring the debate of whether or not he actually lied or not.

I think there's a far cry between you lying about your anatomy, and AK lying about his experience with game mechanics in response to a direct question. Without any followup, AK's claim would have cemented (at least for Dougal, who asked) the likelihood that one of {BBT, TelltaleHeart} are scum, and he would have proceeded through the game with that expectation. Do you still think that's on par with your junk?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Flubber

: Do you think there are circumstances where a townie should lie? If so, can you give some examples?

With the exception of some 1337 gambits that I could pull from the wiki, next to none. But I don't see any strong scum motivation in AK's lie. Like, I'm going to claim right now I have a 13 inch penis. Do you think a wagon is going to form on me over it because of "lynch all liars"? It was anti-town to lie, but how is my lie going to forward scum? And that's ignoring the debate of whether or not he actually lied or not.

I think there's a far cry between you lying about your anatomy, and AK lying about his experience with game mechanics in response to a direct question. Without any followup, AK's claim would have cemented (at least for Dougal, who asked) the likelihood that one of {BBT, TelltaleHeart} are scum, and he would have proceeded through the game with that expectation. Do you still think that's on par with your junk?

Did you guys read ANY of the thread GreyICE posted to show that I "lied"? Or any of my posts about how incorrect he was?