Mafia 63: Wolves - Game over!

[Battle Mage]

Desperately looking for someone easy to lynch, or desperately trying to get a stagnant game moving? Playing up to the rest of the town, or trying to encourage others to speak?

And I think it is a case of the pot calling the kettle "black". You seem to be looking for an easy lynch by lazily jumping on a bandwagon and not considering the context of my singular "scummy" post.

rofl. i find it even MORE hilarious that, despite me being the only 1 of 4 people, to say that the vote was only temporary, until i could reread, i seem to be the one taking all the crap.
Pooky, is there any reason for your vote, other than total randomness?

[Phoebus]

Vote count:

2 Battle Mage (Pooky, Talitha)
1 JordanA24 (Skruffs)

4 Talitha (Battle Mage, Fielding Melish, JordanA24, theopor_COD)

6 not voting

7 to lynch.

[Jingolaw]

Despite having pointed out the original behavior as questionable, I think the wagon now rushing Talitha is a bit premature at best, scummy at worst. Probative? Fine, but I’m going to want some pretty good rationale for any more votes. I think Tali’s frustration was justified, and I pointed it out mostly to head off the “hey, we’re all bored and frustrated so let’s lynch someone…anyone!” sentiment, which I thought was a real possibility.

I’d say my fears were realized, because I think Fircoal’s last few votes were a bit scummy, but this sense is mitigated by the fact that I’m not even certain that Fircoal was scum! I mean, really, “Sorcerer”? I completely understand that word’s association with dark arts, thus scummy, but I also see it associated with magic, hence “seer.” I would also be disappointed to think that the wolves are not the only anti-town alignment and/or that we won’t know a wolf when we get one.

Oh, and funniest post of the game so far:

vote battlemage

glory to the wife

[Miztef]

I also am frustated with the lack of knowledge as to fircoal's and other player's identities. Out of the 3, sorcerer would seem the most out of place, but this could mean a power role for all we know. Nothing about Fircoal's play really strikes me as condemning, and so I am on the fence as to whether he was town/scum.

We should treat this day as worst case scenario which means 4 or even 5 scum/antitown players are alive.

I don't think there is more then 1 anti-town group though, expect the possibilty of SK or even, pray to the lovin lord no, a cult leader. I'm inclined to believe twito was killed by a vigilate rather then an anti-town group though, because of the cause of death (shot).

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I firmly disagree Miztef, let's instead treat this as a best case scenario where 4/5 antitown roles are dead. Surely that will make us wildly optimistic and make the mood better? you wouldn't want to depress us would you?

And battlemage, it's unfortunate, but even the Grand Master of the Matarese Circle does not dare slight the Global Alliance of Housewives. Their penetration into all facets of life is complete, the geopolitical might unchallengeable, their military influence untouchable, their supreme control over many daily chores unmatched, their advances in the political arena unstoppable. Pause to consider for a second that the head of US Foreign Policy for 12 of the last 16 years has been female and that Germany(which we know is the cause of all world wars so far) has elected a female for their president. If the Krauts have caved, I don't see what chance we stand. France nearly had a female elected, and America seems likely to fall in 2008. Everyone knows that the starting point for the feminist conquest of the world was New Zealand, they've spread from there with such speed and ferocity that hasn't been matched by anything in HISTORY. Barely a mere century after they first secured voting rights they have forced their way into the highest offices of the most powerful countries in this world. Talitha happens to be from New Zealand and thus I would imagine to be a descendents of one of the top officers of the female insurrectionist movement that has been rapidly taking control of this world. Sometimes a man has to know when he's beat and take his hits. I think she won't cause you as much pain if you just give in to it. And on top of all this, I honestly can't do my own laundry.

[JordanA24]

I firmly disagree Miztef, let's instead treat this as a best case scenario where 4/5 antitown roles are dead. Surely that will make us wildly optimistic and make the mood better? you wouldn't want to depress us would you?

And battlemage, it's unfortunate, but even the Grand Master of the Matarese Circle does not dare slight the Global Alliance of Housewives. Their penetration into all facets of life is complete, the geopolitical might unchallengeable, their military influence untouchable, their supreme control over many daily chores unmatched, their advances in the political arena unstoppable. Pause to consider for a second that the head of US Foreign Policy for 12 of the last 16 years has been female and that Germany(which we know is the cause of all world wars so far) has elected a female for their president. If the Krauts have caved, I don't see what chance we stand. France nearly had a female elected, and America seems likely to fall in 2008. Everyone knows that the starting point for the feminist conquest of the world was New Zealand, they've spread from there with such speed and ferocity that hasn't been matched by anything in HISTORY. Barely a mere century after they first secured voting rights they have forced their way into the highest offices of the most powerful countries in this world. Talitha happens to be from New Zealand and thus I would imagine to be a descendents of one of the top officers of the female insurrectionist movement that has been rapidly taking control of this world. Sometimes a man has to know when he's beat and take his hits. I think she won't cause you as much pain if you just give in to it. And on top of all this, I honestly can't do my own laundry.

Pooky for Prime Minister. That way she'll get a servent to do her laundry for her.

[Talitha]

While I am enjoying this little tangent, I have yet to read over properly.

Oh btw, has everyone turned up to play today?

[Miztef]

you know, even though pooky's post is in good humor, I can't help but feel annoyed. Some players may firmly believe fircoal was scum, which I think we should not base any decisions on. That is what I meant by my statement.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sorry miz

i really dont understand your post

could you elaborate please?

[Miztef]

sorry miz

i really dont understand your post

could you elaborate please?

Alright, I will.

We should treat this day as if every possible scum/antitown posistion is still alive. Even if you firmly believe fircoal or who ever else is dead is scum/antitown, we can't afford to rush into a decision with the idea that we have alot of lynches left. if there is 5 antitown players (I don't think there would be more then that, considering the hidden role upon death) then we could be at 8:4:1 (4 being the wolves, 1 being an anti-town of some sort) or maybe 8:3:2. if we mislynch today and 2 townies are NK, then we are at 5:4:1 or 5:3:2 tommorow (both are LYLO I believe).

In concludsion, because of the hidden roles, we need to be much more careful then usual, because we have less information then a normal game and we could be serverly close to losing at any time.

I hope that explains my reasoning well enough.

[Skruffs]

Really sick this last weekend so didn't get to catch up.
Why the hell is Talitha at 4???

[JordanA24]

Really sick this last weekend so didn't get to catch up.
Why the hell is Talitha at 4???

Because of this:

I've changed my mind slightly - if we can't get replacements I'm all for lynching some dead weight for the sake of the fun of the game. At least Twito speaks occasionally. Any other suggestions? Any of the non-posters given us any cause for suspicion? Let's lynch a slacker, get this day over with, and move on to the blessed relief of Day 2.

OK, we're on Page 10 after 2 months, but still, we shouldn't be lynching people just because they're lurking, maybe a bit of pressure will wake them up, if not, they'll get replaced, or modkilled, we shouldn't be lynching lurkers IMO, they might be a doc or a cop.

[Niempie]

I understand the votes for Talitha because of her comment about lynching a lurker on day one. At this moment I think that it is one of the scummiest things in this game. But looking at day one, I can understand why Talitha said what she said at that time in this game.

I have re-read the tread and I must admit that the quote-thing between Pooky and ThAdmiral is very difficult to follow and has almost no contribution to this game.

[Skruffs]

Okay.. so why wasn't Talitha lynched day one, then?
That's why this wagon seemes oppurtunistic, to me.

I'm going to suggest that, based on what I see, (not killing n0, killing twito n1), that the shooter is probably a vig. If it turns out that they tried to kill n0, or if players who are more pro-town than twito get shot, i'll change my mind.

I don't understand the issue with hidden roles.
.... Does someone have a reason to think that there is more than meets the eyes regarding the dead players?

In one werewolf game, the sorceror is a form of doctor. In another, though, he's like a werewolf godfather. That's in a 5-player werewolf game, though.
Reference : http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/67050

There may have been more behind this post but I forget it now. Still sick and all that. ::P

[theopor_COD]

Unvote

My vote on Tally was just to get discussion moving which it did . . .

Fielding Melish any content yet?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Let's lynch battlemage on principle

[DragonsofSummer]

Let's lynch battlemage on principle

Hahaha lol... sorry I haven't been more active today so far guys... I just got a new summer job a few weeks ago and it has been enveloping much of my life I am going to do a reread later today and try to post something worthwhile.

[Battle Mage]

*nukes Pooky.

[Jingolaw]

I don't understand the issue with hidden roles.
.... Does someone have a reason to think that there is more than meets the eyes regarding the dead players?

In one werewolf game, the sorceror is a form of doctor. In another, though, he's like a werewolf godfather.

I think you’ve just answered your own question. Yes, there is some concern that we’re not sure who’s who. And yes, it’s because the role “Sorcerer” is somewhat ambiguous.

As Miztef has pointed out, it’s possible that we’re in bigger trouble than we suspect, with not one of the dead as yet turning up “werewolf” as we would have expected. And as I have pointed out, and you seemed to echo, there’s the possibility that “Sorcerer” = doctor/seer/detective, leading to even worse odds.

I’m eager to hear from Fielding Melish...or his replacement (hint, hint).

[Miztef]

I was re-examining the fircoal lynch, and I think we should look into N9V, Dragons of Summer and Battle Mage a bit more.

~N9V~

's hammer seems a fine pro-town hammer to me, we needed a lynch, he provided it. I would have liked a bit more reasoning behind it, but he was correct in choosing a lynch vs. no lynch.

Dragons of Summer:

Okay some thoughs on people with more than one vote on them.

Fircoal:

I find him to be the scummiest of the choices right now because he has shown a lack of concern for helping the town at all this game. Also because he feels all the justification that is needed for his vote on BM is:

And Battlemage, I'm voting you because I like voting people named Battle Mage

I can see that as a joke at one point, but after being asked a few more times for reasons he still hasn't provided any.
I also really don't like this post:

I think we should focus on another lurker without an excuse.

It reeks of oportunism to me.

So I will

Vote Fircoal

Good explaination behind his vote, but I'm concerned that if he is scum he can take advantage of no reveal deaths and get away with pushing a lynch and not looking bad in the aftermath.

BattleMage:

I do like battlemage as a player, and believe he is excellent as pro-town. However, that goes the same for being scum.

good point. his unwillingness to contribute to the game smells a bit odd. Must be scum

Vote: Fircoal

My gut says battlemage is protown, but this vote seems a bit overconfident.


God I wish I knew if fircoal was scum or town, but right now, I'm acting under the loose assumption he was town. I'm not saying any of these players should be lynched, but they were all on the fircoal lynch and thats makes me want to do some investigating into their motives. Any comments on these players?

[theopor_COD]

BattleMage:

believe he is excellent as pro-town.

You do know BM's got himself another new sig now

Anyways I think we should appply some more pressure to the Mage.

Vote Battle Mage

[theopor_COD]

Here's a little taste of BM so far - not by all means helpful, dontcha think Miztef?

Im leaning towards Fircoal being town

Fircoal must be either scum, or unco-operative town. Probably should be lynched either way

good point. his unwillingness to contribute to the game smells a bit odd. Must be scum

Vote: Fircoal

the fact that you have made absolutely no attempt to help catch scum in this game is peculiar. Even YOU are usually more pro-active than this. The only reason i can think of for you being so downright lazy, is that you dont really care who gets lynched, as long as it isnt your scumbuddies.
You look like scum to me.

I wouldnt say hes exactly scummy, but he needs to get his arse into gear.

i dont think lynching lurkers is a good idea.

im also pretty sure that Sorcerer is a scum role. if it was protown, it might have been Magician, or Wizard.
Sorceror has connotations of evil dontcha think?
BM

yes, i think a

Vote: Talitha

would be a good start. the post identified by Jordan does look scummy.

Yeh BM is much scummier than Talitha after comparing the two.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

kill him now

save the cheerleader
save the world

[Miztef]

I think pooky is going a bit overboard with BattleMage, but theopor's info is a bit disconcerning, although it doesn't provide enough solid evidence that BM is scum for me to vote him. I'm happy putting out a

FOS: BM

though.

[Skruffs]

Seriously, if you tell someone you are just voting them to put pressure on them, they know you aren't serious with it, and don't necessarily feel pressured. Be serious about your votes, or, if you aren't serious, at least ACT serious. Otherwise you are undermining your own intentions.