Micro 382 - CREDIMVS PAVONI DEORVM (Game Over!)

[The Bulge]

Votecount 2.6

BlueBloodedToffee (3) -

vettrock, Josh_B, Wake88

(L-1)

Asher Kendrell (0) -

Josh_B (3) -

BlueBloodedToffee, Asher Kendrell, TierShift

(L-1)

Scripten (0) -

Wake88 (0) -

TierShift (0) -

vettrock (0) -

Not Voting -

Scripten

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Deadline in (expired on 2014-09-14 20:28:00) (September 14).

[Wake1]

I really can't tell who's Scum. It'd help if some of you Towned it up a bit. Maybe I just don't know your Town-metas too well.

I keep getting slammed. Going to try and do some posting today, if it means I can't make large and thorough posts (my preference).

[Josh_B]

Alright scripten, Talk to us about how you feel right now. I'm sure that you are under a lot of pressure. There are two people who are at L-1 and all the votes are out. This game isn't exactly the world series. But if it were baseball, It would be the bottom of the ninth, down by 4 and three players on the bases, with you up to bat.

You're going to be the deciding vote on who gets lynched today. Tell us what you are thinking.

[Wake1]

Josh, your current Scumreads please?

[Wake1]

If you were Scum, what would you be doing?

[Scripten]

Josh_B:

Nah, I'm not really under a lot of pressure. I know who I think is scummiest to me right now, and if I'm wrong, at least my logic is sound and I can move on. I'm not hammering yet because Asher and Wake88 wanted to say a few things. I'm pretty sure Asher is done, tho.

Wake88:

He gave his scumreads already. He is in support of an Asher/BBT scumteam, if I'm not mistaken.

Tiershift:

Let's say Josh_B flips town. Who's scum?

Vettrock:

People think you are scummy. Josh_B says we should just accept that you just play the way you do. I don't agree. You said in (466) that you just like to watch and contribute when you see fit. Since you're being soncistently scumread, would you agree that asking questions, probing other players, and just being more a part of the discussion would help the town by avoiding mislynches? (That is, assuming you are town.)

[Wake1]

Josh should claim if he's at L-1. Does that sound reasonable? Same with BBT (assuming he's at L-1, too).

[Scripten]

Josh did claim. He's a Vanilla Townie. (Again, correct me if I'm wrong, please.)

[TierShift]

If you were Scum, what would you be doing?

Knock it off with the self-meta-probing questions already

Josh should claim if he's at L-1. Does that sound reasonable? Same with BBT (assuming he's at L-1, too).

Ewwwwwwww
Let me break down why I do NOT like this post.

First, Bbt is under no threat of getting lynched.
Second and most important, Josh claimed VT already. Things would be different if he had claimed a PR, but at this point asking BBT for a claim will not help us decide a lynch and only will give info to the scumteam where possible PR's lie.

Nicely played off with a parallel to josh, though.

[TierShift]

Tiershift: Let's say Josh_B flips town. Who's scum?

Uh, I'm pretty sure he's flipping scum.

Wake's last post pinged

hard

. So poooossibly him with asher or vettrock.

Josh did claim. He's a Vanilla Townie. (Again, correct me if I'm wrong, please.)

He's not asking both to claim. He's saying "josh claimed, so bbt should claim".

[Asher Kendrell]

I am done posting, so once wake's finished I think you should choose.

[Scripten]

Tiershift: Let's say Josh_B flips town. Who's scum?

Uh, I'm pretty sure he's flipping scum.

Wake's last post pinged

hard

. So poooossibly him with asher or vettrock.

Yeah it did. I like that. It means we're getting somewhere. Please don't mistake Josh's confusion on my stance with any confusion on my part.

Josh did claim. He's a Vanilla Townie. (Again, correct me if I'm wrong, please.)

He's not asking both to claim. He's saying "josh claimed, so bbt should claim".

I didn't read it like that. I saw it as "You both should claim now that you're at L-1." Maybe implying that Wake88 hadn't read the thread very well up to that point.

Wake88:

Can you clarify the foundation of your insistence on Josh and BBT claiming? I wanna get it straight from the horse's mouth.

[Josh_B]

Tiershift: Let's say Josh_B flips town. Who's scum?

Uh, I'm pretty sure he's flipping scum.a

Wake's last post pinged

hard

. So poooossibly him with asher or vettrock.

Josh did claim. He's a Vanilla Townie. (Again, correct me if I'm wrong, please.)

He's not asking both to claim. He's saying "josh claimed, so bbt should claim".

You are going to be so fucked. I'm going to come back at endgame with an "I told you so."
I put that post in my ISO because BBT thought you had communications outside of this game. Which is not to say that he thought you guys were the scum team.
This game is going into 5pLylo. You have already have one player who flipped town. I hope that you seriously aren't going to go into the next DP not even considering what I've said.

[Scripten]

I put that post in my ISO because BBT thought you had communications outside of this game. Which is not to say that he thought you guys were the scum team.

He thought we had communications outside the game, but in reality the synergy was because Tiershift caught on to my crumb before anyone else did. Either way, though, that would have been a little silly, since the OP says that scum don't have day chat.

[Wake1]

So Josh already claimed VT.

That means it's either him or BBT, and BBT hasn't claimed.

If BBT flips Scum Tiershift gets hyper-lynched. If Josh flips Scum then I don't know.

Scripten, whenever someone is at L-1 and they're at risk for being lynched, they should claim in order to avoid getting lynched. Refusal results in getting lynched. This is basic for Mafia. Josh claimed VT. Sans a current VC, I'm assuming BBT and Josh are both at L-1. BBT is at risk for getting lynched as well, and he should claim, too. If you don't lynch BBT and he flips Scum later on, I'll be thinking you're his partner. I'm under the impression they're both at L-1. I've been extremely busy and haven't been able to read much on what's going on. An updated VC would be awesome.

[TierShift]

Wake, how does BBT claiming aid us?

[Scripten]

Wake88, I don't think you're quite following the situation.

When I voted BBT before, it was to gain more of an understanding of several players' alignments. Regardless of whether Josh_B flips scum or not, it can be used later on in the game. It does not mean, however, that I intended to hammer BBT at any point during Day 2. Do you understand a little better now?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So Josh already claimed VT.

That means it's either him or BBT, and BBT hasn't claimed.

If BBT flips Scum Tiershift gets hyper-lynched. If Josh flips Scum then I don't know.

Scripten, whenever someone is at L-1 and they're at risk for being lynched, they should claim in order to avoid getting lynched. Refusal results in getting lynched. This is basic for Mafia. Josh claimed VT. Sans a current VC, I'm assuming BBT and Josh are both at L-1. BBT is at risk for getting lynched as well, and he should claim, too. If you don't lynch BBT and he flips Scum later on, I'll be thinking you're his partner. I'm under the impression they're both at L-1. I've been extremely busy and haven't been able to read much on what's going on. An updated VC would be awesome.

I am at L-1, but I'm under no threat of being lynched. So I do not need to claim.

Are you trying to fish for PR's?

[TierShift]

Ooh, this is proving to be more fruitful than I thought it would be!

[Wake1]

Wake, how does BBT claiming aid us?

When doesn't claiming at L-1 aid the Town?

Assuming BBT is also at L-1, and assuming you know that's true, then it's possible someone else could vote to hammer BBT. I don't know, but it's possible, assuming we have to wagons at L-1. If BBT isn't at L-1, and you know this, yet you question anyways in spite of that knowledge, then I would wonder why you haven't corrected me yet for not knowing where the current votes stand.

I find it odd how BBT asserts he's under no risk of being lynched in spite of being at L-1. It sounds presumptuous, considering we don't know for sure what everyone is thinking. And your last question, trying to make it seem as if I'm fishing for PRs when I'm not, is not helping me think you're Town. My vote's staying where it is for now.

More to come in a little bit.

[TierShift]

Okay wake, let's try it like this:
If bbt claims VT, how is this day going to end?
If he claims earl, same question.
If he claims cop/doc, same question.

[Wake1]

Wake88, I don't think you're quite following the situation.

When I voted BBT before, it was to gain more of an understanding of several players' alignments. Regardless of whether Josh_B flips scum or not, it can be used later on in the game. It does not mean, however, that I intended to hammer BBT at any point during Day 2. Do you understand a little better now?

I understand a little better what you're saying. Please withhold your vote. I was under the impression that both were at L-1 with foure votes, and that at least three people hadn't voted. That was incorrect, and shows that I'm really behind thanks to getting repeatedly slammed with work.

Personally, I don't know which of the two are Scum, or even if they're both Scum. BBT seems presumptuous and overconfident, but that's not necessarily Scum unless one gives credence to meta. As for Josh, he doesn't seem to be emotional or anything about being at L-1. Or BBT. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what would you say is the proper reaction from a Townie when he or she is at L-1?

I need to question both of them further.

[Wake1]

Okay wake, let's try it like this:
If bbt claims VT, how is this day going to end?
If he claims earl, same question.
If he claims cop/doc, same question.

I figure IF BBT is Scum and claims Earl, and we don't lynch him and later on the flips reveal he's lying, he's toast.

However... Scum can simply claim VT.

OK, I stand corrected.

I really, really need to read up on this thread. Had a strong start, and then life got in the way majorly.

[Wake1]

I need time to read and think.

UNVOTE: BBT

[TierShift]

Rolefishing denied, wake.