Micro 382 - CREDIMVS PAVONI DEORVM (Game Over!)

[Josh_B]

All right, that's just semantics.

Then what were you really talking about?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So you were town-reading Wolfy then?

[TierShift]

@349: Yeah, I saw you stating they were town, now the explanation.

I'll scratch together why I think vet is scum later on, if you still want it then. Wake is null, as I've said. I've yet to see him take stances.

@350: okay, my question was bad. Doesn't change the conclusion I reach about you wrt wolfy wagon.

@BBT stop being dumb, thanks.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@BBT stop being dumb, thanks.

You don't think it's relevant to find out if Josh was town-reading Wolfy on D1?

[TierShift]

Spoiler: bbt read plz

You keep pushing the idea that the wagon should be analyzed for scum. Indeed, it usually would and I would usually do that too. However, if you're scum, you're banking on people analyzing a wagon that was on a townie. I mean, how can there be no scum on a townie mislynch right? But, I feel it was an all town lynch. Killing one townie on the wagon leaves a narrower pool for town to lynch from again because that would be the natural progression for the game.

I could be wrong. Hell, there could be two scum on that wagon. I just don't see it though. I've never seen somebody act so scummy who flipped town. Never. The fact that neither you or Vettrock even considered that Wolfy could be scum really doesn't sit right with me.

I considered that wolfy might be scum. But him not being scum means something different than him actually being scum. I've considered the off wagoners. Myself, Shaded, and Vettrock. In order for both scum to be off the wagon, it has to be vettrock and wake. Both seem town to me, so scum is probably not off the wagon.

VOTE: asher

Josh_B: You seem to think that wolfy's play was ambiguously scummy. That is, you felt that he was just playing poorly as town rather than acting scummily. That doesn't really explain why you didn't try to stop his lynch and, despite not voting for him, didn't seem to have much of a problem with it. I mean, you're acting now as if you were campaigning for him being town, which is just objectively untrue.

How the fuck was I supposed to stop his lynch? I didn't know what his alignment was. I know what it was now, that it. I didn't campaign for him as town, and I'm sorry if I am comming off like that. There are two different points in time that we are talking about and perhaps what I'm saying about each point in time is getting mixed together.

Before the Lynch: I don't know if Wolfy is town or not.
After the Lynch: Wolfy was/is town. I know it for sure, and I'm going to treat it that way moving forward.

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I'm having a hard time responding to what you are saying because we don't agree on the premises.
You say that I was convinced that Wolfy was town, even though I wasn't. Your continued questions are based on me being convinced that Wolfy was town during DP1. Particularly "why didn't you try harder to stop the lynch?" And my answers is

"I didn't know if he was or wasn't town."

I'm sorry that I wasn't utterly convinced that he was scum, the way you were. I also think that you are trying to push this issue that I should have been convinced one way or the other, or that I was convinced of something that I wasn't.

And fuck.. I'm losing posts.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wolfy said he made a reaction test. Scum do not need reaction tests. That is moderately alignment indicative.

So, this is Josh not town-reading Wolfy. Right?

[TierShift]

Ok I forgot the part where he talks about that reaction test as alignment-indicative.

Lol, I'm sorry. Carry on.

[Josh_B]

The beginning of my attempt to read wolfy

The end

I didn't know if he was lying or not lying/town or not town. It didn't matter anymore. -spiderman, fukitol.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Please see the quote from my 355.

Were you, or were you not, town reading Wolfy. It's a yes or no question.

[The Bulge]

Votecount 2.2

BlueBloodedToffee (0) -

Asher Kendrell (0) -

Josh_B (2) -

BlueBloodedToffee, Scripten

Scripten (1) -

Josh_B

Wake88 (0) -

TierShift (0) -

vettrock (0) -

Not Voting -

Asher Kendrell, Wake88, vettrock, TierShift

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Deadline in (expired on 2014-09-14 20:28:00) (September 14).

Mod Note:

Sorry for the late votecount. I should mention that my summer is over and I'm back in school, so afternoons (EDT) are when I'll be posting most often.

[Josh_B]

Please see the quote from my 355.

Were you, or were you not, town reading Wolfy. It's a yes or no question.

It's a loaded question, with a false dichotomy. I had

NO READ

on wolfy.
I attempted to engage him, 12 posts later he was at l-1 with the intent to hammer already stated. He was doing whatever the fuck it was that he was doing, and it really didn't matter to me anymore. End of story. I've said this a lot of times. I don't know why you keep asking me, or what kind of answer you are trying to get out of me, but that's it. How long do you plan on tunneling this?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's a loaded question, with a false dichotomy. I had

NO READ

on wolfy.
I attempted to engage him, 12 posts later he was at l-1 with the intent to hammer already stated. He was doing whatever the fuck it was that he was doing, and it really didn't matter to me anymore. End of story. I've said this a lot of times. I don't know why you keep asking me, or what kind of answer you are trying to get out of me, but that's it. How long do you plan on tunneling this?

Wolfy said he made a reaction test.

Scum

do not need reaction tests.

That is moderately alignment indicative

.

So, this is Josh not town-reading Wolfy. Right?

This suggests you had a moderate read on Wolfy.

I've seen enough. I'll keep tunneling you until you're lynched.

[Scripten]

^ I consider that a caught scum. What opinions do the rest of you have on this?

[vettrock]

It's a loaded question, with a false dichotomy. I had

NO READ

on wolfy.
I attempted to engage him, 12 posts later he was at l-1 with the intent to hammer already stated. He was doing whatever the fuck it was that he was doing, and it really didn't matter to me anymore. End of story. I've said this a lot of times. I don't know why you keep asking me, or what kind of answer you are trying to get out of me, but that's it. How long do you plan on tunneling this?

Wolfy said he made a reaction test.

Scum

do not need reaction tests.

That is moderately alignment indicative

.

So, this is Josh not town-reading Wolfy. Right?

This suggests you had a moderate read on Wolfy.

I've seen enough. I'll keep tunneling you until you're lynched.

So I will agree this shows that Josh at one point say he had a moderate town read, and then said no read. I don't think this is that much of a shift.

I think the I'm going to pick someone to get lynch everyday and then just focus on that until it happens attidute is at the very least anti-town, and moderately scummy.


I think Josh is town, wake is null, Asher is moderately scummy, Tiershift is slightly town. BBT and Scripten moderately scummy. Yes I realize this is three scum. I'll pick BBT for now, but I would consider either of the other two as well.

[Asher Kendrell]

I'll be blunt, I feel like Josh is digging himself into a hole here. I'm with scripten and bbt. I'm not liking how vettrock only comes in to defend him.

VOTE: Josh_B

[Scripten]

I think Josh is town, wake is null, Asher is moderately scummy, Tiershift is slightly town. BBT and Scripten moderately scummy. Yes I realize this is three scum. I'll pick BBT for now, but I would consider either of the other two as well.

Are you at least going to lay down a vote? Or... you know, do something other than comment on the situation and sit back. Come on, if you're not scum, then help the town, please? your play has been poor and lazy all game.

[Josh_B]

Teirshift, that was the case that BBT was trying to push.
I gave some consideration to the possibility that wolfy was town, and now he's the towniest town to ever town in this game.

BBT/Scripten= scum team.

I'll move my vote to either. It is on scripten now. Wake, Tiershift,

Asher

, Vettrock, who do you want to lynch first?

pedit: Asher?

[Josh_B]

I'll be blunt, I feel like Josh is digging himself into a hole here. I'm with scripten and bbt. I'm not liking how vettrock only comes in to defend him.

VOTE: Josh_B

Are you going to follow scripten and BBT again?

Ok, 2 1/2 myslynches. If either scripten or BBT are not scum, Lynch Asher in lylo.

[Scripten]

Ok, 2 1/2 myslynches. If either scripten or BBT are not scum, Lynch Asher in lylo.

2 1/2 mislynches? What does this mean?

[vettrock]

I think Josh is town, wake is null, Asher is moderately scummy, Tiershift is slightly town. BBT and Scripten moderately scummy. Yes I realize this is three scum. I'll pick BBT for now, but I would consider either of the other two as well.

Are you at least going to lay down a vote? Or... you know, do something other than comment on the situation and sit back. Come on, if you're not scum, then help the town, please? your play has been poor and lazy all game.

VOTE: BBT
I meant to put down the BBT vote, but I guess I missed it (hence the "I'll pick BBT for now")

I'll admit I haven't been as active as I should be.

[Scripten]

VOTE: BBT
I meant to put down the BBT vote, but I guess I missed it (hence the "I'll pick BBT for now")

I'll admit I haven't been as active as I should be.

Does this mean you're going to scumhunt more? You should be confronting your vote target with a case that they can respond to and either exonerate themselves or dig deeper.

[Josh_B]

Ok, 2 1/2 myslynches. If either scripten or BBT are not scum, Lynch Asher in lylo.

2 1/2 mislynches? What does this mean?

IC POST FOR THE NEWB:

This is a reference to the 9 player game standard. Scum have to get three mislynches to win. Town is allowed 2 mislynches without losing. There is already one mislynch, so we really only have one mislynch left. I don't think we need that extra cushion at this point, but It is what it is.

[Josh_B]

You should be confronting your vote target with a case that they can respond to and either exonerate themselves or dig deeper.

Who made up this rule?

[Scripten]

Ok, 2 1/2 myslynches. If either scripten or BBT are not scum, Lynch Asher in lylo.

2 1/2 mislynches? What does this mean?

IC POST FOR THE NEWB:

This is a reference to the 9 player game standard. Scum have to get three mislynches to win. Town is allowed 2 mislynches without losing. There is already one mislynch, so we really only have one mislynch left. I don't think we need that extra cushion at this point, but It is what it is.

Yeah, I'm aware of that. What I was wondering was why you wrote 2 1/2 and not 3 or two. Also, the rudeness is uncalled for. I asked you a simple question.

You should be confronting your vote target with a case that they can respond to and either exonerate themselves or dig deeper.

Who made up this rule?

Are you trying to be deliberately contrary? That's not exactly a town-sided playstyle. I'll bite regardless. Building a case or at least presenting a reason for your vote helps build a wagon on a player you find scummy by revealing more information to the town.

[The Bulge]