Open 569 ~ Hope + 1 ~ Game Over!

[ika]

VOTE: team 9

kill this with fire.

22 is also prob scum, titus/thesp is town, buldge is town

thats what i have offhand

[ika]

everything else is going to be done later

[ika]

*sigh*

I'm not posting in here for the rest of today.
I don't have enough sanity left to deal with this shit no more.
I need a break.

ok heres an idea: gun to the head read on 22?

[ika]

hey page top

[ika]

ya 22 is scum VOTE: 22

the cop need to check this if they are not lynched today. the 9 person is also scum either one for cop check is good

[ika]

The moment he reaches L-1.

-C

I'm pretty sure you're scum.

Maybe town points because he knew Bins' would flip town?

^these are from 22 predacetor

if bins flips town im calling this out as a scum slip and that the team is tn/22/team9

im not hammering. 22 can do it cna be cop checked

[ika]

minus post 107 but its compelling evidence that 22 scum=team 9 scum

and then i would suspect TN as last

[ika]

Wait what?

im calling out the scum team right now.

22 scum
team 9 scum
tn prob last scum

i refuse to vote bins

[ika]

i will only hammer if we turbo-lynch 22 tommorw if he flips town

[ika]

I thought we just got a hammer on bulge.


Why is 22 scum with team 9?

no, NS unvoted and revoted

if 22 is scum then team 9 is scum by affiliation

team 9 is scum in general

im willing to lynch either

[ika]

plus i unvoted.....

one if not both is scum

tn could be town but i want the other 2 first.

p-edit: why cold feet on titus?

p-edit 2: no we lynch this shit

[ika]

Titus has IRL problems right now.

doesnt change the fact shes town.

i already know her rl problems. but that never affects her gameplay. me having experince with titus over 3 diffrent sites knows for a fact that rl does not stop her from playing.

if she flaked from every game then i would consider it rl problems. but a single game? not a chance in hell

[ika]

So, ika, this is definitely her town play?
I always have trouble reading Titus.

there are 2 incidents where i have seen titus replace out (besides this)

1) the game i hosted where i asked her if she would be able to manage (she failed to pick up prod and night hit)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=58483

she had her sister sub in and later got into contact with titus again and found out what happened

2) where she site flaked due to work and had to be replaced from every game she was in. she was also hosting this one and after a bit i asked listmod to officaly close it
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=38354

other then that she would not replace out.

[ika]

Hi Ika

First time playing a forum game with u yay

Also this bulge wagon is not my favorite and I wish it would die down

join me on 22/team 9 then

i hope that we can have fun

p-edit: prob b/c they are scum ive already stated my case

[ika]

page top nab

[ika]

i hope that we can have fun

in our fantasy football draft that titus was in, titus and i voted you and agreed to lynch you and then revive you

the most golden moment of all

link? this i gotta see

[ika]

no link cos it was a live draft on yahoo

now i am going to have to nag titus for it later

[ika]

hey team9 question, do you mind a cop checking you?

[ika]

hey team9 question, do you mind a cop checking you?

Yes. I am currently discussing with pieguy about how to somehow fit a miller claim in this setup.

thank you for confirming your scum status

VOTE: team 9

22 will be next. cop can check to confirm it and i would peg it with TN. i will have to look later

p-edit: they are scum vote them. its obvious bins is town if they flip scum

p-edit 2: you too buldge vote them (unless you already are)

[ika]

Convince Team 9 otherwise

I'm not unvoting unless they tell me I can

ns fuckign unvote and vote team 9 they are scum. how about that? you need to quit being an ignorant sheep to the first person and have some orgional thoughs. did you even read my damn case?

[ika]

im being blunt with you ns, you need to quit doing this

[ika]

I have had my original thoughts.

My original thoughts made sakura leave.

Sakura wanted bulge dead.

I owe her that much.

you also understand that skura pushed titus to replace out? you dont owe her anything, you made a small joke and she exploded over it.

im sakuras place now and i say vote team 9 or 22 one gets lynched the other gets copped

[ika]

NS, what will it take for me to convince you to vote one of those 2?

[ika]

@start join me on team 9 we can get 22 tommorw.

@bins, join us as well

p-edit: just let ns deal with it, he will prob come around later

p-edit 2: fine then vote park but its not getting lynched anytime soon

[ika]

Yeah, she was flipping out. And it was completely undeserved. She had no reason to do that.

lets save this for post game shall we?

can we get back to lynching scums?

[ika]

Ika, it's important because notty is voting because of it.

And Gaiden, do you like the too scummy to be scum persona or something?

notty isnt goign to budge apparently, think of it as unstpoable force meets immovable object

I'm more of a "Troll everyone until death becomes a shockingly likely outcome"

hey do me a favor and vote team 9 they are scumbutts and need to be lynched

i already solved the game for us

p-edit: im now randomly going to shout his name to just summon him for lolz and time how long it takes

p-edit 2: POE

[ika]

Ika, what do you think of Team9's wall?

what wall? link me to it. i prob wont care though i have already stated they are scum. if the were town they would have no fear of a cop checking them

[ika]

i read like 2 sentences of that shit and then read this

Ika, what do you think of Team9's wall?

The Collective can't read either.

i think it sums it up nicely.

but really i dont care for the giant wall of text. the last sentence of "this is my reachout in tears" makes the entire thing fake to me

p-edit: the collective needs to join me on voting team 9

[ika]

buldge did you ask bins yet to prom?

[ika]

Bins stop trying you took like two years of french

PEDIT- ew gross I don't wanna go to prom with her

arent you 2 dating? want there a huge fight over this as well?

[ika]

1)Yea but she can't dance and

2)kinda smells weird :S

1)LIES, anyone can dance
2) so? it apparently doesnt stop you from dating her...

im like half tempted to troll this further

[ika]

but on a serious note, join me on the team 9 wagon then we can continue the funs

[ika]

1)Yea but she can't dance and

2)kinda smells weird :S

1)LIES, anyone can dance
2) so? it apparently doesnt stop you from dating her...

im like half tempted to troll this further

Plz do

only if you vote team 9 with me, i want their lynch first. we can go get 22 next

[ika]

and you get gaiden to come in here and vote

[ika]

VOTE COUNT

1.41

(0) 22:

startfromtheheart

(L-2) The Bulge:

Thesp, Team 9, Varsoon, tn5421, notscience

(1) Team 9:

The Bulge, ika

]

Bins is V/LA.

no, i settled on 22 first but now i want team 9 instead b/c they claimed scum

22 can be outed by cop check and if he doesnt we lynch him tommorow anyway

[ika]

Spoiler: getting this off my chest because I need to sleep and I don't want to have nightmares which happen if I go to bed overthinking things

The reason I'm being so adamant about following what she wanted is because I'm just used to being a disappointment. I'm used to getting shit every fucking game I screw up. I'm used to getting shit from games where I know it's due. I'm not even going into my IRL shit.

So it's why I just have accepted I'm disappointing you guys by keeping voting him, because it's just become ingrained in my head that I'll be one.

But I care about my friends more than anything. Like, I would do anything in my power to help a friend. I don't like my friends being upset.

I also made a pact with myself to never be the reason someone leaves the site.

Well, now I've not only disappointed a friend after refusing to help them because I was stubborn, I upset them to the point that I broke the 1 thing I promised myself I'd never ever do.

The only fucking way I can rectify this is to do what she would have wanted, way too fucking late as always.

real talk: i dont blame you personally for this kidn of thing, but its anti-town.i understadn you want to respect her wish and how you made that pact and stuff. heck if i replaced in for titus i would probally be having a pissing fight with her right now for going that far.

titus is a close freind of mine as well, and i have pushed her past her limits but not as far as skara has done. likewise titus has done the same with me. but come the end of it we are still good freinds. i might get really irritated at her post game and yell at her b/c she should know better, but i dotn stay mad at her forever

[ika]

VOTE: Team 9

Team 9 reminds me of all those runescape capes

Aww I love that anecdote

I don't miss high school or middle achool lol

oh, well in that case let the trollage continue.

buldge have you made it to 3rd base yet?

[ika]

Like seriosuly

all I want to do is apologize to her

but I don't know the words to express how sorry I am

tbh she got too riled up by titus, you made a joke, and she took it too seriously. its not your fault. she got too far caught into a tunnel

p-edit: yes group hug

/hugs

[ika]

I'm awful at baseball tbh

i mean with bins

[ika]

can confirm he's terrible at "baseball"

how long did it take for him to get out?

[ika]

1 minute and 13 seconds?

thats longer then most for "being bad"

---------------------------------------

serious thing though: will you vote team 9 already?

p-edit: NIGHT!

group hug

[ika]

i drink throwback moutaindew

pedit: NS, http://thequietplaceproject.com/thequie ... age=&lang=

click this link and liten to it it might help

[ika]

its called the quiet place, it plays a calming song from "lost"

its quite calming

pedit: make my life easy by saying whos town and whos sucm and then sheep me on team 9

[ika]

+1 to the avi

its a nice thing when stressed. i sometimes use it

[ika]

So I have some reads that I am feeling really damn good about.

Anyone want to tell me where "Elaboration 101" is held? Apparently they didn't put it on my schedule last year.

please enlighten me

[ika]

GAIDEN YOU RESPONDED!

JOIN US!

[ika]

if the were town they would have no fear of a cop checking them

I think you're adorable too but Titus does it better.

done care.

anyway:

@varsoon, im all for it tbh. i was a game before where they did this follow the cop and easyly won

[ika]

ika replaces Sakura....like, I never even went to the replacement request thread before he PM'd me.

TIL Ika is one of those creepy stalker types.

like i said, im contstantly observeing at least 2 other games on a daily basis. bit me

22 is also prob scum, titus/thesp is town

Huffing glue already?

Give me a scumcase on us and a towncase on titus/thesp.

ive already given you your case.

titus is town of her repalce out, i have also already explained this

i already know her rl problems. but that never affects her gameplay. me having experince with titus over 3 diffrent sites knows for a fact that rl does not stop her from playing.

if she flaked from every game then i would consider it rl problems. but a single game? not a chance in hell

She's recovering post-massive-car-crash.

I'd say that'd qualify as a bit more than your typical IRL issues.

no shit sherlocks, i know that, but that doesnt stop her from playing. the fact she WILLINGLY replaced out of this game becasue she was so frustrated is why. it has nothing to do with rl. also given the fact i was proablle the first one to find out about the car crash, i know a great deal more then you

[ika]

ive already given you your case.

Be a doll and link it again.

titus is town of her repalce out, i have also already explained this

Your explanation was actually more "not alignment indicative" than anything.

no shit sherlocks, i know that, but that doesnt stop her from playing. the fact she WILLINGLY replaced out of this game becasue she was so frustrated is why. it has nothing to do with rl. also given the fact i was proablle the first one to find out about the car crash, i know a great deal more then you

Scum doesn't get frustrated?

Appeal to false authority. Knowing her IRL situation doesn't translate to offering a proper in-game argument for her alignment.

first one: no go find it your sefl scumbutt
second one: no its titus, its is alignment indicative
third one: im not even really using that, you are saying shes scum for it. im saying shes not. read why she replaced out of the game

she replaced out b/c of sakura. that fact your trying to twist it real life is pathetic

[ika]

I read your posts. I didn't see it.

You claim a case, please link it. Your ISO is only 50 posts long. If it's there, shouldn't be too hard to post it again.
You explained how Titus doesn't replace out. Ergo, her replacing out is not alignment-indicative. Unless you'd like to posit that any game Titus is still in necessitates Titus scum.
I'm saying she's scum from the whole "stop the violence" position. Which has already been plainly stated. So you're complete misrepping at this point.

You're the one who brings up IRL as a reason to townread. I'm only offering the logical counterargument.


Present the 22 Scumcase.

your not making me budge from my stance, i will just ignore you until further notice. read the entire game

[ika]

oh hey i just iosed myself and found it in about 5 seconds your turn

p-edit: come at me

[ika]

Yep, just scrolled through your ISO again. There isn't a hint of a 22 scumcase.

Present.

your funny. keep trying my good freind

p-edit: you found it!

[ika]

Hooray! It's not a case!

Try again.

nah, we can have cop check you to cut out a good chunk of it

[ika]

And what if 22 is cop and he can't check himself?

Your laziness is silly.

Hi, we're civilian and we're not reading pages 1-75.

Discuss.

argument invalid. i dont buy the claim either

[ika]

Don't buy the claim? Why not?

i have my reasons

p-edit: so your claiming to be a non-civilian team 9?

[ika]

Don't buy the claim? Why not?

i have my reasons

State them.

bite me

[ika]

Can we get a dayvig over here?

dayvig ika

done

p-edit: i know how to play as town, i ignore my scum reads until needed, you have seem to missed the fact that i hate logic and dont give jack for it.

know how many times ive listened to logic to find out it was scum? countless times.
know how many times ive listened to logic to find out it was wrong and i was right from the start? countless times

so i know full well what im doing

p-edit 2: *give me 5 mins*

[ika]

I'm not asking for logic. I'm asking for something that even makes a lick of sense.

Because you're making absolutely zero right now and frankly unless I push a policy lynch on you, I reckon you're going to be a 10-page-an-hour, game-spammy annoying shitheaded gnat.

So if you're curious, I don't think you're scum. I think you're a fucking retard and need to be expedited from the game immediately. And then I think we need to be lynching Thesp who has spent the entire duration of his existence in this game doing nothing more than discrediting everyone that so much as looks at him funny.

you want to hear something jif...

IT MAKES FUCKING SENSE TO FUCKIGN ME. I DONT GIVE A FUCKIGN SHIT IF IM SPAMMY LITTLE NAT.

know what fuck it. im done trying to solve this. we can have it your way then but if she flips town i get to do the "told you so"

if she flips scum i will see to her myself, shes more collected as scum and probally wouldnt carck under it

@team 9, you know i had you pegged as a scum so im going to point out whatever sticks out. you could of at least claimed cop for WIFOM but whatever

[ika]

Listening to the voices makes sense to a schizophrenic, too. Doesn't mean it has any basis on reality.

know what im off this game for the day im too pissed off and to paranoid

[ika]

Why TheSp over Bulge?

Titus' play of appeasement.
Thesp's play of discrediting.
Bulge's low-casework, low-resistance wagon.
etc.

Well honestly, I would follow ika-town's read on Titus.
I've seen him catching Titus-scum easily with my own eyes. What was that game called, Street Racers LV or something?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=34551 (street racers)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=51356 (how you want to die, gave pants the tools after my death)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=38741 (white flag)

[ika]

i propse a new idea:

we vote who the cop checks. and it goes with majority, that way when cop dies we can deduct who was checked and poe from there

im ignoring all psot by 22 for now so i can keep sane and only responding selectivly

[ika]

Well you had 22 scum with an associate to us. You should probably start over on reading them.

if 22 will read the entire game and give me a solid town/scum list, then i might reconsider.

tbh i want a cop check on them so i can just flood out all my paranoia

[ika]

I'm so low on that list, it's painful.
I guess I was always the sort of loser who gets suspected.

I think voting for the cop check is the best. It clears up who we all think is most likely to be scum.
The primary issue I have with it, though, is that:
This outs the cop on D2.
There's no strat to protect the cop N1 outside of blind guessing.

team 9 claimed doc, odds are they will kill him first if cop remains quiet

@team 9, ty thats what i have been needing

@22: just do the damn activity. dont push me further then you already have

p-edit: no if cop doesnt claim they will be forced to kill do or do a bind kill (whihc is suboptimal)

[ika]

We are 13 pages away from the record right?

sweet. i think we are goin to make record


VOTE: 22

if your not going to do a simple activity i will jsut lynch you then

[ika]

we should make an open and get all the spammy players in it and see how fast they could break record

[ika]

if your not going to do a simple activity i will jsut lynch you then

Who is scum when we flip town?

ill decide that after i see your town flip

[ika]

its jiffy i can tell

[ika]

nom nom nom

[ika]

spam

[ika]

olympian god has wisdom....

if anyone could get it farther it would be him

[ika]

No the cop doesn't claim.
I'm a designated kill tonight and outing cop now will just give scum a free cop kill N2.

So you soak tonight's kill (probably)
Cop doesn't claim ever,
How do we know who the cop Innos are?

againwe are voting on who it is going to be. ill tally it up in the end and if they get guity they should claim half way thorugh next day to catch them off guard. if they got inno they remain quiet.

pedit: i can do that too

[ika]

just an announcement when we do cop claims d2 it is to be your first post

[ika]

ok now i have a scum read on flubber and would want to see him lynched for 2564.

it sounds like its a joke b/c hes actualy scum.

i want the hammer thoguh

[ika]

hey team9 question, do you mind a cop checking you?

Yes. I am currently discussing with pieguy about how to somehow fit a miller claim in this setup.

Can you explain your townread on Flubber?

His post in general plus I liked his early posts.

Flubber, what's your read on the Bulge and view of the Team 9/Bulge interaction? I don't remember you specifically stating it.

It was null until he continued to not scumhunt. Now I scum read him.

I have to catch up to the rest of the thread before I vote for him.

why? thats contridction you can vote now. but its not going to happen yet.

screw it someone else can have it

VOTE: flubber

[ika]

try me team 9

p-edit: not always i have seen scums fall to traps like those

[ika]

Yeah and they'll have to be terribly bad/new to fall for one of those.

then convince me they are town

[ika]

meh, whateve.

im growing tired....

[ika]

-snip-

Dude. Quickhammers.

You're going to be one of the players that make me crumb the fact that I'm from New Jersey, aren't you?

Oh. And you're scum btw. Cheers.

hey thats where i grew up most of my life.

but no im not try again, if you like ill 1v1 you right now. i dont see your vote

pedti: let him provke me, it keeps me motivated

[ika]

here ill save time thesp:

i have full intent o hammer. if this entire fuckign day is going to be over bludge i rather just lynch him and remove it so we dont have day 2 going "oh buldges i here, oh buldge is here" shit

[ika]

What's changed for you between these two posts?

my mood. im already pissed off enough by this game.

[ika]

although if Jiffy isn't here anymore I guess I can lay out where I was going with my one question:

We have a wagon at L-2 and no sign of a counterwagon.

That should be your first sign that you're voting in the wrong place.

Vote Thesp.

in order for this angle to work, all 3 scum have to be on the Bulge wagon already, since they couldn't be going to form a counterwagon. I get that he thought Thesp was scum, but there would still have to be 2 more scum from his POV.

when town have a problem with a wagon, it is almost always bc they can name SPECIFIC names of ppl they don't like on the wagon. however, he didn't do that here. he made a vague complaint about the wagon without naming any names besides Thesp, when there were 2 more scum he had to find if he believed in this angle. since town can name specific names, this is smth that is more likely to come from scum than town. (and no, this is not dependent on the fact that it's Bulge, so don't even go down that route)

the fact that the rest of the wagon {tn, Sakura, us, Varsoon} is more likely than not all-town solidifies it - he's making a vague reference to there being scum on the Bulge wagon when there probably aren't any. this part is based on our reads, but I'm feeling good about this

-Rumia

so to make it point blank to where i can understand:

you think 22 is scum? simple yes/no

[ika]

What's changed for you between these two posts?

my mood. im already pissed off enough by this game.

Why? Serious question. You've entered the game in a deliberately abrasive manner (re: hammering players, at the least), and seem surprised that some people aren't keen on it. For example, you posted:

IT MAKES FUCKING SENSE TO FUCKIGN ME. I DONT GIVE A FUCKIGN SHIT IF IM SPAMMY LITTLE NAT.

Now, in the particular exchange quoted here, I don't think 22 is blameless, and he's said some things he ought not to from a human standpoint. I'll note that you're far from the only one in this game who has been deliberately provocative, then seemingly irritated with how people react to it.

It might be worthwhile to step back for a moment from the game and give it a set of fresh eyes. At the risk of this day prolonging even longer, I'm not moving my vote back to The Bulge when 2 players on the wagon seem to be on tilt, and I'm willing to wait a day to see if they're still solid with their votes before moving back. (I also like how SXTLHGaiden seems to be putting forth some minimal effort into the game with my vote there.)

thesp: im also going to be point blank.

dont tell me what to do, you will quickly find that its not a good idea...

day one is a day where i thorw shit everywhere and give jack shit about stuff. after the dust settle on day2/3 i have much more focus.

right now my only solid scum is 22 as i have stated 20 times over.

really im just pissed at everyone still poking bulge for shit of being useless. if it will stop it by hammering him i will do it.

that being said i have school il be back later

[ika]

given the fact im subconsouly aware of the tinyest hints of anyones role makes me all the more annnoyed

[ika]

so to make it point blank to where i can understand:

you think 22 is scum? simple yes/no

Rumia (me) has a scumread on 22
Cirno (GIF) doesn't have an explicit scumread, but doesn't have a townread either leaving them as a likely possibility by POE.

-Rumia

then we are in agreement that 22 needs to be lynched.

@22 that was a whole lot of fluff and talk about nothing there. how do you know hes a myslynch?

p-edit: dont provoke me any further.....

[ika]

let just lynch 22 and ignore team 9 untill further notice

VOTE: 22

bins joint me, bludge join me on this wagon

[ika]

they have showed it about 20 times over how you misinterpret but you ignore it so we can jsut ignore you

p-edit: i dont buy it still

[ika]

know what fuck you guys lets to this then

VOTE: tn

buldge read the damn game. they claimed doc. they have a deathwish on their head alredy if they live we turbo-lynch

[ika]

Impossible fucking battles.

It's not impossible battle. It's an im passe.
Like, check my ISO. There should be 3 pages. Check page 3. Read that page. Do you see me pushing the Bulge in that whole page? No.
I've been asking how the gaps in the bulge's thought process can possibly come from town. I even singled out when the Bulge wanted a short list of why I think he' s scum.
Instead of answering my question, people have been just yelling at me for "OMG BULGE IS TOWN BECAUSE HOW FRUSTRATED HE LOOKS SDFKLJASDLKFJDSKLFJDLSKF"

HOW ABOUT THIS: IS HIS MINDSET TOWN? ignore thought process. ignore logic, think mindset.

i have been lynched before b/c i was illogical but others defended me b/c i have a town mindset

lets have 3rd wheel wagon on tn instead.

[ika]

again there is 0 layers of wifom in this no "oh he lived n1 due to wifom"

pedit: join me on tn then

[ika]

can we lynch tn? and sort you guys out tommorow?

[ika]

BOTH OF YOU SHUT UP AND LETS GO AT TN INSTEAD. IT CAN BE SORTED OUT OVER N1

[ika]

BOTH OF YOU SHUT UP AND LETS GO AT TN INSTEAD. IT CAN BE SORTED OUT OVER N1

TN is town.
ISO me to find me explaining about how Sakura/TN wall war have been TvT. It's in page 1 of my ISO, past the middle of the page.

IM NOT READING SHIT. ITS A TEXTBOOK SCUMPLAY THAT HES DOIGN RIGHT NOWN THAT I HAVE SEEN

page top

pedit: damn you varsoon

[ika]

But does that contains the macho doctor paranoia? Nope.

i believe varsoon over you tbh

[ika]

Fucking hell, can't we just get you cop investigated or something? I don't want to lynch the MAYBE doctor.

Fucking hell, can't we just get you cop investigated or something? I don't want to lynch the MAYBE doctor.

I'd rather get mislynched than stay as a Cassandra in this game any more minutes thank you very much.

you can always replace out?

[ika]

tn then ppl?

[ika]

BOTH OF YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT EACH OTHER WE ARE NOT LYNCHING EITHER ONE OF YOU 2 MORONS. PICK SOMEONE ELSE HOW ABOUT THAT FOR A CHANGE OF PACE?

[ika]

WHILE I HAVE EVERYONES ATTENTOIN:

Do a read list of the players

It doesnt have to be some fucking novel, but just stae them why. I dont want to hear any bickering on a persons reads either.

I will start:

22/tn/flubber are my suspects for their general posting and the case i haev presented.

i could see a wird chance of bins being scum as well

[ika]

WHILE I HAVE EVERYONES ATTENTOIN:

Do a read list of the players

It doesnt have to be some fucking novel, but just stae them why. I dont want to hear any bickering on a persons reads either.

I will start:

22/tn/flubber are my suspects for their general posting and the case i haev presented.

i could see a wird chance of bins being scum as well

Where is the 'case' that you have presented then?

i am ignoring you untill further notice.

also if either bulge or t9 come out here and bicker again i will pull out the ultimate anti-town thing: outing the cop

[ika]

also if either bulge or t9 come out here and bicker again i will pull out the ultimate anti-town thing: outing the cop

i dont want to push this in anyway but how the fuck does this make sense?

it will shut everyone up b/c theres a lot more to this then you think.

[ika]

anyone want to think that buldges is town and bins is wking the shit out of him as scum?

[ika]

I've learned not to WK as scum.

Yet I still WK Bulge whenever I know we're the same faction.

and you know this here how?

[ika]

im shutting it down so people shut the fuck up

[ika]

VOTE: Ika

Putting my vote where my new strongest scumread is.

Please continue shutting down discussion and forcing more people to replace out though.

lol gl with that

[ika]

VOTE: Ika

Putting my vote where my new strongest scumread is.

Please continue shutting down discussion and forcing more people to replace out though.

to add on, the dicussion thats going on is anti-town. hence i can cut the crap of it. i dont like to be this far of anti-town but if needed to get ppl to shut up and quit having a pissing fight i will do so

really i hate being this kind of guy but if it will get ppl to do stuff then i will

p-edit: it makes ppl stop having dicussions about roles

[ika]

have we broken record yet?

p-edit: b/c i can easily spot them in open games and it irks me to no end on not trying to out them.

[ika]

really i want to have a relaxed game but with all the shit that flew around was annoying and stupid.

real talk: i hate being the anti-town, i ahte making people replace out, i came in to play and try to settle the shitstorm.

it dieed out and i want it to stay that way but people are still too "piss fight" so i figured if we just have every role out in public it gets settled

[ika]

can we have it on page 113 we all pretend most of the bickering is non-existant and go from there?

[ika]

Are people really letting ika get away with pushing for a DAY 1 MASSCLAIM

WHY IS NOBODY QUESTIONING THIS?

bulge, seriously read the thread

pedit: tn seriously im being for real, i dont want to do it. but if this is how its going to get the day going i will

pedit 2: nobody questions it b/c we already have an outed doc.

IM TRYING TO GET EVERYONE ONTO THE SAME FUCKIGN PAGE BUT IF THATS A HUGE FUCKING PROBLEM I MIGHT AS WELL JSUT DO THAT TO GET EVERYONE UP TO FUCKIGN SPEED

[ika]

bite me tn.

im moving on with life in this:

VOTE: flubber

[ika]

ive given you my real talk, if you cant accept it then i dont know what can

[ika]

ive given you my real talk, if you cant accept it then i dont know what can

You proceeded to be literally the biggest hypocrite in all of MS with the possible exception of Marquis.

You have failed to respond to ANYTHING that I have asked you and are bullheadedly proceeding to out all town prs despite MULTIPLE people telling you to fucking stop.

You can take your real talk somewhere the fuck else, because we don't want any of it if your last 10 posts are indicative of your 'real talk'.

then point them towards me, i glanced through your giant walls of posts

name the numbers and i will go respond in kind.

[ika]

gonna not quote it bu instead adress each as such:

why i want you dead: back then i though you were scum. thats why i said it
the case: that im just discarding, its long gone. if you really want em to pull it up i can but mostly will be shat on again
the pr outing: i dont personally but everyone keeps specing on it and only helps scums.

as i said im trying to get everyone to the same page, but everyone has their own agenda on stupid stuff

p-edit: do i seriously need to bring up my old case? or can we drop it and move on

[ika]

did i miss anything tn?

[ika]

the rest of it seems to be general stements

[ika]

tn, how i hunt scums is in a very anti-town fasion.

i hunt the prs delibertly, when i notice the small things that screams pr its very hard for me to not ignore it

its a curse that i bear to me

[ika]

this is also why i have a good dislike for open games, i get too pr hunting and anti-town

in closed seups i can at least have the endless possiblity of what someone can be

[ika]

I have only one question for you, ika.

Who are your scumbuddies?

me myself and i

[ika]

can we go back to trolling again?

[ika]

we need buldge and bins here so we can bug them

[ika]

knonw what i give up. im done trying to figure people out.

[ika]

your poe isn;t shite because its my poe )))

and ika it was a jokee im sorry bad timing D:

not you. im mostly used to it.

im too depressed by the gamestae now.

i try to put everyone on the same page to where not every role is outed but people still ignore me for it so i find my trying is now moot

[ika]

the joke is fine. im being more on the serious side of me trying to figure out the damn game...

if we want to troll further i can do that easy.

p-edit: what varsoon said. look at thig game:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=58466

it was me and sevral other who pushed titus to nearly replacing out and she was town. compare her to any scum game and tell me if you have ever seen that?

tn: im on the brink of exploding at you. i answered every question you asked. just stop.

[ika]

im done defending the titus/theps slot

[ika]

but im not replacing out jsut so another player can come in and read this shit. im done with most of day one now

[ika]

im going to point out how 22 goes out but foucs on titus/thesp all game and gray ice does exact replica....

coincidence much?

[ika]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Titus/Sp have both been major wagons and points of conflict for everyone.
GreyICE is focusing other places, too.

somewhat, but meh.

[ika]

know what im dumping all my reads on everyone and screwing this untill day 2

[ika]

i no longer trust anyone anymore.

[ika]

VOTE: thesp

i am not stating why. at this point i want the lynch for an entirely different reason

[ika]

Fluffposting extrordinaire.

This is basically an overview of Gaiden's activity.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING.
STOP.
FUCKING STOP.
STOP IT.

OR I WILL FIND YOU AND SCREAM IN YOUR FACE UNTIL YOUR FUCKING HEAD EXPLODES FROM THE PRESSURE OF THE SOUND WAVES.

FUCKING. KNOCK. THIS. SHIT. OFF.

*Runs naked screaming through the night foaming at the mouth*

that post was largly unneeded

ped: tn if you really want me to explain it its going to be probally the largets antitown thing here

[ika]

tn one question: if i answer my reaosn on thesp vote will you leav me be im already broken from this game.

[ika]

tn one question: if i answer my reaosn on thesp vote will you leav me be im already broken from this game.

I can only promise that I'll leave it be until IRL tomorrow (the 4th of september, after sunrise, aka 10 hours) if you do.

the only reason atm i think thesp is town (im disregarding titus replace out now) is that i think hes the cop.

I'm going to say this now: if hes not the cop, im all for the lynch then.

at this point i no longer trust my own reads for day 1. all i want at this point is a flip

[ika]

im walking away from this thread. ill prob be reading it but i right now i have no intrest in respond to anyone untill i get in a better mood

[ika]

i want a page top

[ika]

Fucking hell, can't we just get you cop investigated or something? I don't want to lynch the MAYBE doctor.

Soooo you want the cop to out?

Come to think of it, I'm not sure if I'm even going to bother to look back as to who has suggested a play where the cop outs within the next day, but they're all getting scum points if I get around to it.

yes i think the cop should claim once they get a guilty

not an inno

how it should go (regardless of lynch)
day 2: cop keeps quite and we all claim
(assume 3 scums still)
day 3: if cop has 2 guilties he should announce and we POE
-if cop has 2 innos he keeps quiet
-if cop has guilty and inno, he keeps quiet

after that if cop alive i would be amazed

[ika]

I think our current plan is:
Cop never full-claims unless he's at L-1 or he gets a guilty and any wagon other than the guilty hits L-1 or a wagon on one of his innos hits L-1. (subject to change)
At Daystart, we all claim a cop result in-thread. This way, if our cop dies, we can ISO hip for all his results.
Doctors protect folks.

This plan is pretty badly flawed. Think of it this way. Scum knows whose reads are incorrect. Every player with an inaccurate result is PoE'd from scum's kill-pool. Even after just one day, scum's options for who might be the cop are limited and they have a much higher chance of nailing him.

yes thats the counter to it. but its a price we have to pay to do this

[ika]

yes i kinda said i would be away but this is dicussion i want to give imput on...

anything else im not responding to atm

[ika]

if cop has 2 guilties he should announce and we POE

?

wouldmt we just lynch the two guilties

obviously....

but i mean in terms of associative and unaligned. we can turbo lynch them but then we will just end up:

A) losing cop firt go around
B) another town voice in second

what i mean is that we have everyone talk first then we turbo lynch

[ika]

How would that out the cop, flubber?

Bulge, I was hard-reading them as town at that point, but decided against it. I'm pretty sure the rhetoric put forth by GiF was meant to manipulate me and set me up.

cop would have to time his post to be in sync as well as hope for it to not overlap

[ika]

hmm tbh i like it

try to make the claims as believable as you can. like, someone you would investigate if you were the cop, etcetc

pedit - inb4 dave is cop and we're fucked

im almost tempted to buy into that tbh

[ika]

im afird to iso theis game, i started and quickly got reminded why i dont, i start to see the obviousness of a person role

[ika]

ughh my problem is that what if theres three people with a correct result on scum. the scum just has an easy time picking off the cop.

again, if cop ever dies we can tell who he checked as town/scum.

i need to send the mod a pm to post for post game. posting it now is not good

[ika]

VOTE: Team 9

[ika]

My conclusion is that despite the posturing, prose, and paperwork, there's no pressure coming from the slot.
I can't really hate that, though.
I can't really call that scum.

would you consider lynching it come deadline?

[ika]

if we dont have another player to look for

[ika]

my townread on the slot is gone now

[ika]

gaiden can i be in the masonary too with you guys?

[ika]

did we break record yet?

[ika]

GL with that case dave

[ika]

GL with that case dave

At least I post evidence. The meta doesn't exist for me, and it seems that's all about half the people in this cluster fuck use.
What are you basing your reads on?

roles, i rolehunt people and then POE from there. its a very anti-town way but its what i do

[ika]

and a mixture of meta on some

[ika]

you know if thesp/titus flips town im going to call out grayice as scum?

im partly dunk but to anser daves quetionthigny:

i shouldnt b/c then it would be putig the prs.

a little more on how i play/hunti in opens:

we have a set rolelist.

2 docs+cop

i see the small things that only those type of slots would sya

fuck it im too dunk to do this

[ika]

VOTE: thesp

[ika]

Doesn't work if the VC is a post above genius

exatly why i did it

[ika]

sigh, if he does flip cop im willing to lynch varsoon, but then i want grayice head on a platter as well

[ika]

and it means i was right no my frist read of titus being cop

[ika]

it doesnt matter if its town or scum gambit.

in setups where there is a set cop. if someone claims it at l-1, it basicly becomes 1v1 battle. the real cop has to CC at this point otherwise we sit here with 2 cops at each other

[ika]

or to maybe better explain:

if a cop claims and someone CCs, you are to immitetly lynch one of the 2. to sort it out

[ika]

VOTE: daves

i dont beilve buldge is scum still. and the fact you dropped your scum read on me from yesterday is funny.

on titus though: the very fact she was pushed to replace out as scum is amazing. i have played wither over 3 diffrent sites and shes always more controlled and more calm as scum then as town. The fact sakura pushed her to a breaking point as a scum is not something that should be done. i have pushed her to her limits before but that was when we are usally both towns. her as scum is more collected. she knwos everything, she just needs to tweak a few things.

all that beign said im gonna go iso her and find the assoiatives when im not as depressed

[ika]

Also, ika, Titus would say she would have been pressed past her limit as town in the same situation. Maybe so, but I believe the reaction would have looked quite different.

maybe, but i think she is easier to crack as town.

here is an example: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=58466

she threatened to replace out sevral times over and she was VT.

but we can maybe continue this later/another time its largly offtopic

[ika]

Wait, why the dave wagon?

I see IKA and Bulge as fair scummier. ika's absolute town-defense on Titus coupled with death-tunneling the claimed doc until theSP wagon seemed inevitable. Couple that with the weird mention of SP maybe being a cop earlier makes me think it wouldn't be too weird for a scum team to have an idea for fake-claiming cop, but for ika to bus there.

To be absolutely fair, I was wrong about Team 9 not being a doctor, so I don't really trust my judgment as much as I should.
Kinda fucks me over, too.
Oh well.

if you saw, i only read titus slot as town after a bit only b/c i beilved her to be the cop....

didnt you claim cop as well?

[ika]

wait why am i at the begining of this wagon
UNVOTE:

i want the hamer bitch

[ika]

He started a wagon and then hopped off as soon as it got motion. He doesn't have to commit to it anymore. If it turns out to be a mislynch, he has no blood on his hands.

wait why am i at the begining of this wagon
UNVOTE:

i want the hamer bitch

try again

[ika]

buldge: what positon were you 2 in when you played baseball with ehr?

as for the vote, consider me to hammer him the moment he gets l-1

[ika]

with bins that is. i need a good troll today

[ika]

as for the vote, consider me to hammer him the moment he gets l-1

Your word is still not as good as a vote.

ok. you have fun with that

[ika]

you mean cop?

[ika]

can i be the creepy guy who stand there staring at you in a distance?

[ika]

can I ask you two to vote dave

only if you say please

[ika]

please

<3333

VOTE: dave

[ika]

when will get hammer dave?

seriously bins just do it if hes town theres nothing wrong.

@ns, no after i figured titus/thesp wasnt the cop i quit hunting

[ika]

to hammer dave*

[ika]

im growing impatent witht the gamestate

pedit: i dont remember nor do i give jack shit on looking back to check

im slowly getting irritated to a pont where i will be yelling......

pedit2: tell me when we acheve lynch will ya. im not litening to this shit

[ika]

That doesn't even make any sense

when did you figure that out

Didn't sakura ragequit a few games as scum to destroy the tell

hmmm

pick a side am i town or not?

you said that im town due to sakura, if you are going to give me crap now then bring it on. you think i would save titus slot? no i would of already bussed that slot to oblvion long ago on day 1. if i knew who the real damn cop was i would of kept quite and shot them alter. when i saw gaidens slip wouldnt it be easier for me to just keep quiet and soot him and then go "haha pr found?"

im getting sick and tires of this

pedit: know what

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GETTING AT?

p-edit2: you really need to hydra with me to understand better how i find those things. i suck with explainign it

[ika]

VOTE: fulbber

this is what i want lynched today. i isoed titus/him and it reeks of associatives to me.

also if we have the real cop alive, we could do who we targeted and do the inno/guilty thing....

[ika]

The Bulge

GreyICE

notscience

Varsoon

SXTLHGaiden

ika

startfromtheheart

Flubbernugget

tn5421

basic outline though
i think TN is my preferred lynch

ooo ooo me too me too i want to make shiny colors:

notscience

Ika

GreyICE

Varsoon

SXTLHGaiden

buldge

startfromtheheart

Flubbernugget

tn5421

[/b]

[ika]

IKA

everyone else

fixed

[ika]

notscience
Ika
GreyICE
Varsoon
SXTLHGaiden
buldge
startfromtheheart
Flubbernugget
tn5421[/b]

You know, by quoting my reads you kind of forgot about me.

i did? well damn,

here:

bins

[ika]

dibs on hammer

[ika]

VOTE: tn

bam. done

[ika]

sorry gray, but i think its over now

[ika]

oh nice, let me come out and say ns was the one i saved n2

i knew you were cop btw but was incorrect on who you checked

[ika]

what now?

[ika]

notty is town unless if they opt for no-kill

VOTE: varsoon

i still dont trust grayice tbh

[ika]

VOTE: SXTLHGaiden

I'd love to hear you talk more....

^gaiden is most likely town based off this pos, unalignment

[ika]

POI?

not POE?

[ika]

varsoon, you admit to not being cop
im doc so it impossible for me
grayice is not CC cop
buldge is not CC cop
Ns is not CC cop

gaiden and flubber dont appear to have tnat cop-like mindset

[ika]

Ika, who did you protect?

read thread

@Grey: I suppose you're ruling out a situation where cop never CC's?

he already pointed out theres one scum, if bins happens to be the last goon its sucidal.
there is like 0 downside of a cop cc at this point unless if they checked all dead people (and really thats bs to me)

[ika]

2 things varsoon:

1) thats wrong on who i protected
and
2) here lets make it easy

[ika]

BINS CLAIMS COP, I CLAIM DOCTOR, IN YOUR NEXT POST CLAIM IF YOU ARE CC THE COP OR DOCTOR

there

[ika]

oh nice, let me come out and say ns was the one i saved n2

i knew you were cop btw but was incorrect on who you checked

If this is true, then Bins is wrong in his reads.

how so?

the fact you are trying to just mudsling at this point and not even voting is not looking good

[ika]

the problem with your ate try is your missing your selfvote

[ika]

the problem is varsoon, the scums apparently knew you were not cop or had a stong feeling.

many others have said your town/scum are very similar as well and you gambit. plus a lot of the flipped scums point townards you

[ika]

2) I do not, ever read Bulge with bias because he's someone I really want to play with. That's not how it works. I can read him easily, and when I town read him, I protect him. And I get that it throws people off, so I'm working on fixing that. But to be accused of that shit over and over again is just degrading. I work really hard on my reads and to have them be called biased because he's my boyfriend is kind of insulting and really hurts.

we would have felt a lot better about it if someone had actually explained why our argument was wrong. we kept pushing it cos no one had ever gave us any evidence that suggested we were wrong (the best explanation we got was literally you saying Bulge explained it already), sooooooo

oh well .-.

they highlighted and bolded it sevral times over jsyk

im on break but ill come back off work and give a full rundown of my thoughts later.

the fact that titus got so fed up o repalce out as scum still does nto cease to amaze me. never in my life of mafia would i expect titus to do that as a scum. town maybe

[ika]

finaly i got home:

so i will first start with my own apologies with someone of hissying out at people as well. i kinda have that nature to tunnel to oblivion till i get satifcaction (but it didt get too bad)

that being said onto players:

tn5421: pegged early on, a lot of your post felt fillery and didnt have content so i got that from you
SXTLHGaiden: lolz, just had that troll sense that makes me smile
startfromtheheart: mostly the same, the 2 of you guys made the game entiertainging when it hit hard times
GreyICE: guts irked me on you, but i trusted bins enough to allow you on by.
Ankamiu: doomed slot, maybe next time
ika: see below
Thesp: when you started specing on cop theiroy it is what pinged my radar of you not bing the real cop and a scum
The Bulge: had fun convos with you
Team 9: soorry i triped you out as the first doc, however i think it played out for the better
davesaz: didnt get much from you, maybe anohter game
Flubbernugget: same with daves, not much
notscience: i saved you n2, i did same n3 but should of chosen diffrently, i only chose you based of sakura
Bins: nice copping, it was during tn lynch i found you to be cop, but was incorrect on who oyu checked

skaua: i think you biggest problem lies in comfirmation biasing and then yelling at top of your lungs. i often have that same problem. i think its that you get too invested into the game to a point where people dont listen you get flustered
varsoon: really, everyone have already given you enough greif about your low blow so im just going to leave it at that
titus: if you read this i am amazed you got to that point as scum.

me:

so i got doc (MOST HATED ROLE) and i instantly went o work on finding scum, i took titus repalceout as town at first and for some reason thoguht she was cop. after a bit of fighing and crap it changed.

n1: i healed ns only basd off skaura town reading him

d2: kinda sped on though

n2: smae thing (and saved ns)

d3: again a blur, but during read list i found bins to be cop based off color and then isoed her and saw the hints of cop mindset

n3: i kinda derped here and did ns again i should of dont between heart and stx

d4: well, you know

this is kinda breif overall b/c i replaced in and am tired atm

again sorry for the drama and shit but it happens at times, i always find at the end of it tis much better off that it happened