InuYasha Mafia (Game Over)

Birds of Prey · Post Post #7025 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:13 am

1. Nope. YnB should have claimed limited shot at the outset but not how many. It's a wifom battle. Not a misrep to say players should play and claim accurately.
2. Right YnB claiming blocked but she didn't know she was blocked bullshit. She said that. Cmon. No one knows. She should have suspected the recipient was scum at least a little. No suspicion bc YnB knows not scum.
4. Site meta is shot gets used in failure and not to put it in the role pm.
7. Early game I have issues. Late game I am that good. My last three larges, I have been spot on. My VCA works.

SG town. Lord Mhok town.

@shos why are you supposing 3 scum left with a clear suggestion 7 scum?

shos · Post Post #7026 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:21 am

In post 7025, Birds of Prey wrote:1. Nope. YnB should have claimed limited shot at the outset but not how many. It's a wifom battle. Not a misrep to say players should play and claim accurately.
2. Right YnB claiming blocked but she didn't know she was blocked bullshit. She said that. Cmon. No one knows. She should have suspected the recipient was scum at least a little. No suspicion bc YnB knows not scum.
4. Site meta is shot gets used in failure and not to put it in the role pm.
7. Early game I have issues. Late game I am that good. My last three larges, I have been spot on. My VCA works.

SG town. Lord Mhok town.

@shos why are you supposing 3 scum left with a clear suggestion 7 scum?

1. how would that benefit town? why make a wifom battle when you can make a wifom win, easily? if scum are 100% sure you should be blocked, when you shouldn't, it's better than scum having wifom about whether you should or should not be blocked.

2. show me where YnB claims blocked. open her ISO. search 'block'. search 'fail'. nothing comes up on D2. also, it is quite a short leap from "I claimed FN and my target didn't get the message" to "I was blocked". reaaaaaallly short. almost touching.

4. since when do we have site meta about what we put in the role PMs?

7. I did not say you suck. but this is not late game. not nearing it. only a third of the players are dead.

what happened to 3, 5, 6? gone to ashes? forfeited.?

Squirrel Girl · Post Post #7027 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:23 am

In post 6998, Kagami wrote:
In post 6997, Lord Mhork wrote:Wasn't xof lynched for the whole 'there can only be one town JOAT' argument though?

No. That's not at all why I wanted her head in a noose.

It is why I did.

Egg · Post Post #7028 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:26 am

Birds wrote:Explain to me why a 6 headed hydra and noob scum would think it's a good idea to chainsaw their buddy. That's the vote pattern.

Which buddy is this? And why would someone being a hydra make them less likely to do that?

Birds wrote:
Scum do CC town Day 1. Doubly so if they have to for their fakeclaim to be viable. Triply so if they need a townie looking scum for YnB

This is pretty much a basic "How not to play as scum". In theory, if you make xofelf vs BBMolla out to be a 1v1, this confirms two scum. I just happen to not think it was as simple as a 1v1. Some people must agree with me because BBMolla wasn't speedlynched when xofelf flipped town.

Egg · Post Post #7029 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:37 am

Oh, and now that I'm on a computer instead of phone for once:

In post 6834, ProHawk wrote:That's pretty reaching for a slip. A thread is a thread regardless of it being in a QT or onsite, but by all means, scum bring it on. Sorry that
you can't hit scum on all your targets Egg
. As much as you wish it to be so, my role PM won't magically change.

My last 4 games as a town power role:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=48144
One shot vig. Killed scum N2

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=38509
One shot watcher. Caught scum role blocking the claimed cop

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=40595
Cop. Got a guilty on bjc

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=40262
tracked scum to kill N1

So yeah, me catching two scum on two shots is entirely possible, I think.

Birds of Prey · Post Post #7030 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:04 am

Titus's awesome wall of win

Town no one should ever vote for

ProHawk - Claim CCs flipped scum before flip. The setup would naturally have a role like his in it. Early voted scum.
Oversoul - Scum chainsawing his slot Day 1. Town as it can get.
Beastcharizard - Rhaego stops bussing to vote Beast. It makes zero sense to stop bussing the buddy with the larger wagon to vote a buddy with a smaller wagon.
Zmuffin - Both confirmed scum voting him Day 2 early with no incentive to bus.

Probable town

Lord Mhok - Again voting patterns here.
SG - Double Voter claim, voted scum early. When she voted NC, two confirmed scum came on after her.
notscience/TSO - Early vote on YnB. Hasn't supported many wagons on town. This is the weakest though as ns lurking is consistent with scum ns.
Neil1113 - Neighborhood.
Penguin Alien - Neighbirhood.
The Goat - Liked his early vote on YnB. Has not gotten in the way of scum wagons. He hasn't helped them either. Hasn't claimed N4 investigation. Weak lean town. He's the second weakest.
Egg - Caught Aronis scum. Has a problem with voting town without investigative help. I am paranoid both Egg and Aronis were scum. I wouldn't disagree with people townreading Egg fully though.

SK suspect

Shos - He flip flops on town v scum on a daily basis. Within each day he's consistent. Today, he is playing scum apologist despite the same people he's defending wanting him dead for so long without reasons. That makes zero sense unless he plans to kill them at night. He said Kagami slipped but no vote earlier. Now he's denying an obvious scumclaim from Kagami and trying to put lipstick on YnB's pig claim.

Scum suspect pool

ActionDan - Lurktastic. Said his claim implied multiball (misdirection). No memorable pushes.
Kagami - Killing the SK practically wins us the game. No honey. It puts us with 4likely scum in an 18 player pool. Bad OMGUS/SK on me.
Majiffy - Voteparked on shos. If his puppetry has an investigation, he should claim it already or start working with people.
Young and Beautiful - Hasn't done anything but misfirect, tunnel town and make an obvious bus vote. Fake claim is fake.
BBMolla - Vouched for bad claim. Argued for no lynch on Leminiscate after bad bus trajectory. Never pushed xoelf as scum despite votepark.

Birds of Prey · Post Post #7031 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:07 am

@shos, I don't argue with inane andinsane ramblings. Those points are desperate reaches beyond most of your post. For instance, claiming someone does not get towncred for voting scum.

Egg · Post Post #7032 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:09 am

Make that list completely backwards and I pretty much agree. Like make all the town reads scum reads and all the scum reads town reads.

Birds of Prey · Post Post #7033 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:10 am

Majiffy, I have asked you this before. I am asking you again. Vote with me until I am wrong. (If I ever am). If I hit wrong, you can use my vote as you see fit until you are wrong.

Birds of Prey · Post Post #7034 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:12 am

In post 7032, Egg wrote:Make that list completely backwards and I pretty much agree. Like make all the town reads scum reads and all the scum reads town reads.

Then you can explain why. A dialugue is key. How the hell coild you not think Kagami is scum when she says lynching the SK basicalky wins the game? With 4 scum left.

Birds of Prey · Post Post #7035 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:13 am

In post 7029, Egg wrote:Oh, and now that I'm on a computer instead of phone for once:

In post 6834, ProHawk wrote:That's pretty reaching for a slip. A thread is a thread regardless of it being in a QT or onsite, but by all means, scum bring it on. Sorry that
you can't hit scum on all your targets Egg
. As much as you wish it to be so, my role PM won't magically change.

My last 4 games as a town power role:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=48144
One shot vig. Killed scum N2

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=38509
One shot watcher. Caught scum role blocking the claimed cop

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=40595
Cop. Got a guilty on bjc

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=40262
tracked scum to kill N1

So yeah, me catching two scum on two shots is entirely possible, I think.

What is your second scum catch? I have Aronis.

BBmolla · Post Post #7036 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:15 am

BoP is obvious scum by this point

shos · Post Post #7037 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:17 am

what's insane in my post? you can't respond? where have I said that people don't get towncred for voting scum?

if you're referring to the 'only two scum bus' then I still don't see why it is so bad for scum. 2 scum on, 3 scum off, this is pretty much ok.

also I forgot to address your question: because mhork claimed to be Bo7 that isn't scum, remember? why are you not voting him if you think it's 7?

dat readlist: SO HORRIBLE. your townlist is basically my entire possible vig target list without Majiffy and SG. your SK suspect is, again, stupid, considering the three kills on N3 and lack of extra kills in all other days. the scum suspect pool comprised on my top 2 townreads and a conftown...*sigh*

pedit: WHY THE FUCK WOULD THAT MEAN KAGAMI IS SCUM??? if SK is lynched that does NOT MEAN SCUM WIN. it means we have a 17v3 situation, and this is reaaaaaally a cool town win. I also LOVE IT how

you think that the claimed Bo7 is town and still think there are 7 scums.

BBmolla · Post Post #7038 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:18 am

In post 7030, Birds of Prey wrote:Town no one should ever vote for
ProHawk - Claim CCs flipped scum before flip. The setup would naturally have a role like his in it. Early voted scum.
Oversoul - Scum chainsawing his slot Day 1. Town as it can get.
Beastcharizard - Rhaego stops bussing to vote Beast. It makes zero sense to stop bussing the buddy with the larger wagon to vote a buddy with a smaller wagon.
Zmuffin - Both confirmed scum voting him Day 2 early with no incentive to bus.

Like holy shit really?

rofl

Birds of Prey · Post Post #7039 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:20 am

I love you think the mod lets the game be crackable by flavor shos.

If scum lynched you shos, then they have a clearer path to victory. I am the last player pushing scum. You have just as many ppl telling you I am town as voters bc I am town.

I have posted airtight cases on YnB BB and Kagami. Flail more.

Birds of Prey · Post Post #7040 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:22 am

Shos, if zmuffin is claimed scum, why haven't you vigged or voted him?

Why isn't he in your "vig" pool.

Oversoul · Post Post #7041 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:23 am

In post 7036, BBmolla wrote:BoP is obvious scum by this point

When they flip town, can we lynch you?

Birds of Prey · Post Post #7042 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:23 am

I love the baseless discredits like the buzzword obvious. Lol.

Oversoul · Post Post #7043 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:23 am

In post 7037, shos wrote:pedit: WHY THE FUCK WOULD THAT MEAN KAGAMI IS SCUM??? if SK is lynched that does NOT MEAN SCUM WIN. it means we have a 17v3 situation, and this is reaaaaaally a cool town win. I also LOVE IT how you think that the claimed Bo7 is town and still think there are 7 scums.

Who claimed to be a Bo7?

Birds of Prey · Post Post #7044 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:25 am

Mod can we get prods?

shos · Post Post #7045 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:25 am

no, you haven't; you just ignored my refutations by calling them 'inane and insane'.
Zmuffin is not claimed scum(where did you get this from?) and I did not vig him because I was busy vigging abomscum. he IS in my vig pool.

shos · Post Post #7046 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:25 am

In post 7043, Oversoul wrote:
In post 7037, shos wrote:pedit: WHY THE FUCK WOULD THAT MEAN KAGAMI IS SCUM??? if SK is lynched that does NOT MEAN SCUM WIN. it means we have a 17v3 situation, and this is reaaaaaally a cool town win. I also LOVE IT how you think that the claimed Bo7 is town and still think there are 7 scums.

Who claimed to be a Bo7?

are you kidding me? see, this is why you think BoP makes sense. you don't read the game.
I've posted a claimlist like a thousand times.

shos · Post Post #7047 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:27 am

please go over your claim in this list.

If anyone's claim is not correct here, please quote this post and update your own slot and only it.

Spoiler: ALIVE

Lord Mhork, 1-shot watcher

Flavor

: Renkotsu

Race

: Undead

Abilities

: "Elaborate Ploy" - 1-shot watcher.

Actions taken

: watched nero N2. Nobody targetted him.

posts 5792, 4822 relevant

shos, Scenter Empathic Vigilante

Flavor

: Inuyasha

Race

: Demon

Abilities

:
"Empathic Blade" - visits a player, gains a 1-shot ability almost surely related to their flavor, most likely a 1-s vigilante shot.
"Scenter" -learns if he was visited by a person who is demon or undead.

Actions taken

:
N1, duels Majiffy. Gains an unclaimed ability - "Dragonscale Tessaiga".
N2, duels Serene2. Gains a one-shot vigilante shot - "Adamant Barrage" - which is strongman except for Naraku(or something).
N3, kills Abomination.
N4, Duels zMuffinMan, gets an unspecified killing ability.

ProHawk, Shard Thief

Flavor

: Tsubaki

Race

: Human

Ability

: Visit a player, steals a shard if they have one.

Actions taken

:
N1/N2 unknown.
N3 Stole notscience's shard.

Oversoul, race miller

Flavor

: Urasue

Race

: Demon

Ability

: If investigated, shows as undead.

Squirrel Girl, Doublevoter

Flavor

: Unclaimed

Race

: Unclaimed

Abilities

: Double-vote by demonstration. Possibly more. Claims to be able to vote the same person twice.

Actions taken

: Unclaimed

beastcharizard, Poisonproof

Flavor

: Unclaimed

Race

: Unclaimed

Ability

: Can't be poisoned.

notscience, Faustian Puppet

Flavor

: Kohaku

Race

: Human

Ability

: Can be used by Naraku to perform nightkills

Actions taken

: Unknown

Birds of Prey, Ascetic

Flavor

: Hakudoshi

Race

: Demon

Ability

: Ascetic.

ActionDan, Poison Doctor

Flavor

: Unclaimed

Race

: Unclaimed

Ability

: Visits players, cures poison if there is.?

Actions taken

:
N1 - Unclaimed.
N2 - visited BBMolla, no poison.
N3 unclaimed.

Kagami, Faustian Puppet

Flavor

: Princess Abi

Race

: Demon

abilities

:
One unclaimed ability.
Can be used to perform NKs by Naraku.
Can Vanilla-ize self.

Actions taken

: Unclaimed

Majiffy, Faustian Puppet

Flavor

: Ryujin

Race

: Demon

Ability

: Can be used to perform NKs by Naraku.

Actions taken

: Unknown

Young and Beautiful, 3-shot Friendly Neighbor

Flavor

: Jijenji

Race

: Demon

Ability

: 3-shot Friendly Neighbor. link.

Actions taken

:
N1- Visited Chamber of Kittens, blocked.
N2- Visited geists, geists died.
N3- Visited BBMolla, Succeeded. Molla confirmed this.

neil1113, Neighbour

Flavor

: One of the wolf pack

Race

: Probably Demon

Ability

: Has knowledge of shards. Is a neighbour.

The Goat, Shard cop

Flavor

: Kagome

Race

: Human

Ability

: Investigates a person, receives if he has a shard or not.

Actions taken

:
N1 - Unclaimed
N2 - Unclaimed
N3 - Visited shos, no result.
N4 - Neil, no result.

penguin_alien, Neighbour

Flavor

: One of the wolf pack

Race

: Probably Demon

Ability

: Is a neighbour.

BBmolla, Priestess

Flavor

: Midoriko

Race

: Human

abilities

:
"Fisherman" - Percentages changed to 100% if he just got a shard. Can passively gain shards if multiple people gain a shard simultaneously.
Ability with 50% chance to see if player has a shard.
Ability with 10% chance to kill a non-human player. If it succeeds and they're human, does nothing.
Ability with 50% chance to protect a player. can self-protect, but this will only work successfully once.
Ability with 75% chance to force a player to commute.
Ability with 25% chance to be told if a player is town or scum.

Actions taken

:
N1 - Does nothing.
N2 - Commutes Kagami.
N3 - Investigates shos, no result(roleblocked)
N4 - Does nothing.

Egg, 2-shot tracker

Flavor

: Unclaimed

Race

: Unclaimed

Ability

: 2x Tracker

Actions taken

:
N1 tracked Bulba/aronis to nowhere.
N3 tracked prohawk to notsci.

zMuffinMan, VT

Flavor

: Unclaimed

Race

: Demon

Spoiler: Dead and Flipped

Oversoul · Post Post #7048 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:29 am

In post 7046, shos wrote:
In post 7043, Oversoul wrote:
In post 7037, shos wrote:pedit: WHY THE FUCK WOULD THAT MEAN KAGAMI IS SCUM??? if SK is lynched that does NOT MEAN SCUM WIN. it means we have a 17v3 situation, and this is reaaaaaally a cool town win. I also LOVE IT how you think that the claimed Bo7 is town and still think there are 7 scums.

Who claimed to be a Bo7?

are you kidding me? see, this is why you think BoP makes sense. you don't read the game.
I've posted a claimlist like a thousand times.

I didn't realize LM claimed to be a Bo7. I thought it was just another undead person.
Hm. He is an acceptable lynch. His ability also seems to fit with a scum ability more so than a town ability in my opinion.

VOTE: Lord Mhork

Majiffy, Lord Mhork, AD. Those are good options right now.

Majiffy · Post Post #7049 (ISO) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:29 am

Actions taken: None

Which I've said several times.