Mini 437 - Hacker Mafia - Game Over

[Nocmen]

Lynching a townie today will not guarantee a scum win. However, lyncing the SK will. As much Albert is guilty, We cant NOT lynch the SK today.

Theres 8 left, presumably 4 town, 3 scum, 1 SK.

We lynch town today.
3 town, 3 scum, 1 sk going into night.
Worst case scenario, both hit townies, scum win.
If SK-Scum cross-kill, we get 3 town, 2 scum going into tomorrow.
Or if scum hit town and SK hits scum, left is 2 town, 2 scum, 1 sk.

We lynch SK today.
4 town, 3 scum go into night
Scum hits town, 3-3, scum wins.

If the SK is lynched today, this is an auto-lose for town. By lynching anyone else, we are pressing our luck with hopes that cross-kills and/or same-kills go through.

Now...if you were a townie, would you rather take the auto-loss, or let the NKs decide our fate? I would still like to move on, even if we are fighting a losing battle, we have a slim chance for success.

[TonyMontana]

But this all depends on Albert being the SK, which you are just taking as good fish.

I'm not contesting that lynching the SK means auto-lose, I'm contesting that albert is that SK.

He came up with the argument that the town's victory depended on the SK surviving, then claimed that position.

Are you gonna leave this night in the hands of a 50-50 shot that the SK kills a mafia?


Since I'm going to sleep now, and don't wanna wake up dead, I'll do a full claim

I'm
harold.parker/User/Townie

That's why I made this remark about alberts claim:

No, that's my name. What kind of trap is this, Nocmen ? This is indeed my username and I dismiss your accusation because I am 100% sure that the other townies have that same role as me.

Well, now you just signed your death order...

Someone kill this scum, already

Albert's made a great case for keeping the SK alive, I just think his claim of being the SK is false.

[Occult]

Wait, don't hammer yet. this is extreamly risky day. First, I don't trust Al, AT ALL. The odds are against the town, he will most likly go for a joint mafia win. I'll post again in little bit with more details, but trusting Al should not be our first choice. Tony may be scummy but we need to make sure he is the one we want to lynch.

[Nocmen]

I'm not saying I actually trust Al either. I just know that the possibility of him being the SK is so real, we need to be cautious regarding him.

[Occult]

See I don't like how close we are to lynching TM. If there are three scum and we lynch tony and Al turns around and kills another townie, we lose. Its really tricky at this point.

[Haut Boy]

Oh snap, a lot's happened...o_0

Unvote

while I go back over all this again. I'm pretty darn confused right now, yes...

[yellowbounder]

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Vote Count

1 - Albert B. Rampage (TonyMontana)

3 - TonyMontana (JordanA24, DYH, Nocmen)

4 - None (Occult, Silmiriel, Albert B. Rampage, Haut Boy)

With

8

online, it's

5

to block.

Silmiriel

replaces

pancakemix

effective immediately.

[Silmiriel]

Hello everyone! i'm here and trying to catch up.

[JordanA24]

Hi Sil.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lynching a townie today will not guarantee a scum win. However, lyncing the SK will. As much Albert is guilty, We cant NOT lynch the SK today.

Theres 8 left, presumably 4 town, 3 scum, 1 SK.

We lynch town today.
3 town, 3 scum, 1 sk going into night.
Worst case scenario, both hit townies, scum win.
If SK-Scum cross-kill, we get 3 town, 2 scum going into tomorrow.
Or if scum hit town and SK hits scum, left is 2 town, 2 scum, 1 sk.

We lynch SK today.
4 town, 3 scum go into night
Scum hits town, 3-3, scum wins.

If the SK is lynched today, this is an auto-lose for town. By lynching anyone else, we are pressing our luck with hopes that cross-kills and/or same-kills go through.

Now...if you were a townie, would you rather take the auto-loss, or let the NKs decide our fate? I would still like to move on, even if we are fighting a losing battle, we have a slim chance for success.

I enjoy watching how he completely disregarded his doctor ability.

Is this a slip, or is this a clever mafiate that claimed the right thing at the right time ? I tell you guys, I'm getting extremely bad vibes from this guy too.

[Occult]

That is a good point.

Any comments Nocman?

[Occult]

PS,

I still don't trust you Al, but that is a good catch.

[Nocmen]

There is an easy way out for the scum to kill not having to worry about my ability. Take into account the restrictions of the doctor, and you will understand what I mean. There is a way to easily negate the possibility of hitting someone who is doc protected.

[Occult]

I'm gonna be honest. We're screwed IMO.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There is an easy way out for the scum to kill not having to worry about my ability. Take into account the restrictions of the doctor, and you will understand what I mean. There is a way to easily negate the possibility of hitting someone who is doc protected.

Paraphrase please. At this point, we should get all the information we can get. Also, I might NK you if it is something that should be taken into account.

[JordanA24]

I'm gonna be honest. We're screwed IMO.

Not yet.

[TonyMontana]

Yeah.. The town can still have a shot if we kill a mafia.

Are you all gonna say that Albert's SK claim is more believable than mine?
I'm at -1 now (I'm not counting the lynching vote, since albert is waiting to jump on it) And for what? because the scumbag pointed me out?

[Albert B. Rampage]

As I said, I would be satisfied with both Nocmen and TM deaths. Look at their history, it is evident that something's gotta give, and it is highly probable that one of these two are mafia.

I would like to know your thoughts on the 3rd, tough.

[TonyMontana]

How bout I give you my thoughts on the 1st and 2nd.

I, obviously, believe I'm a townie. As for Nocmen, I see no reason to doubt he's a doctor. Not only did it make sense that the mod would pass on the modkilled doctor's powers, seeing as the balance for a set-up of a 12-player game is very fragile. But the fact that he called you out on your townie claim because he had a different townie name, and seeing as I have a human townie name as well pretty much confirmed him as pro-town to me.

I know nocmen was trying to be coy about why there's no need to count in the doc ability, but i don't think it's a secret: If the mafia should choose to kill a pro-town, instead of going for the SK tonight, the obvious choice is killing the doc. And if Mafia kills town, then it's all left up to a toin-coss of the SK killing either scum or town.

[Nocmen]

TM basically said what I was trying not to say. Doc's can't self-prot, and my role is no different. The scum/SK could easily take me out without worrying who I protect.

[Albert B. Rampage]

First of all, mafia may have safe-claims.

Second of all, even if he can't self-protect, he can protect someone else tonight, and thus prevent a kill.

[JordanA24]

I'm with TM on Nocmen being the doc, it seems completely believable, as does Albert's claim, but TM townie, common scum claim, especially considering we have an outed doc and mason. But then again, if I were scum, I'd probs claim cop to try to get the real cop to come out and try to frame a pro-town by claiming to get a guilty on them, with the situation being as delicate as it is, if scum did that, that'd probs be the killing blow for the town.

Unvote

[Albert B. Rampage]

I would like to know your thoughts on the 3rd, tough.

This applies to everybody. I would like everyone to re-read everything and post an analysis, if possible.

[TonyMontana]

First of all, mafia may have safe-claims.

Do you? well, obviously, you didnt...

[DYH]

First of all, mafia may have safe-claims.

Second of all, even if he can't self-protect, he can protect someone else tonight, and thus prevent a kill.

You're missing the point. The mafia will kill the doctor. He's not going to prevent anything.

Unvote

I'm really tempted to go back to ABR based on his recent contributions and take my chances there aren't three scum and a serial killer in a 12 player game.