Mini 1604 -- Zodiac Mafia (Game Over)

[Elyse]

I could be reading this wrong.

Juls, are you saying that once someone is at L-1, everyone must choose a player (it can be anyone) to kill, and we flush out the vig that way? Or are you saying that we get someone to L-1, and everyone says kill: player at L-1 to flush it out?

[Juls]

The first one.

[Elyse]

Ok then yeah I think that's good.

[Iecerint]

I had actually inferred that it was the second one, on the grounds that it forces scum to use the dayvig in a pro-town manner.

[burn_209]

Yea Juls I thought you were talking about the later scenario. That is better than what i thought you meant

[Iecerint]

It doesn't really matter if we know how the vig was really. It's not as if alignment affects who got the vig (as far as we know), and I'm sure town will claim it after the fact either way.

w/e tho.

[Gemini Blind]

I think we should use the vig as a "second lynch" for the town. Can the scum influence it? Sure. But the scum can influence a lynch in the same way.

If the scum has the dayvig power. They either have to use it on someone who the town wants to dayvig or risk outing themselves because they don't kill that person. (If we all say Kill: Soinso with Soinso being the chosen person for the second lynch.
If the scum has the dayvig power and we let the go nuts with it, we're almost guaranteed a townie is shot. We can mitigate that risk somewhat by controlling it like we would an ordinary lynch.

Yes we risk shooting a townie, but I'd rather take the risk than almost guarantee a townie is shot.

-Rolls

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Vote Count 1 - 3

• Witness Protection (4) ( PeregrineV - Iecerint - Nachomamma8 - Xayzeck)
  
  burn_209 (3) ( Salamence20 - Juls - Gemini Blind)
  Salamence20 (2) ( StrangerCoug -
  burn_209
  - Dry-fit)
  Xayzeck (2) ( Witness Protection - Elyse)
  Juls (1) ( burn_209)
  
  PeregrineV (0) (

  Gemini Blind

  )
  
  
  Not Voting (0) (
  Juls
  -
  Xayzeck
  )

With twelve alive, it takes seven to lynch.
Current Deadline:

(expired on 2014-09-08 15:35:00)

[Salamence20]

Hi all, I've had some shit happen to me yesterday and I'm not in the right sense to play mafia right now. I'd replace out but RC is my friend and I don't want to fuck a good friend over. So give me a day or two and I'll catchup.

My appologies

[Dry-fit]

My point would be just as valid even if this was an open game. I'm not just talking about speculation but strategizing instead of scumhunting as well.

Why would it be a scumtell to strategize? You expect the town to screw itself over? Is that what I'm supposed to be getting?

It's a scumtell because in my experience scum is more likely to talk exclusively about strategy in the early game. Why that is I'm not sure. It may be rolefising. It may be trying to look protown without taking any actual stances. In any case it's not strategizing in itself that's scummy. It's making strategizing te entirety or almost the entirety of your play.

Why is there a Witness Protection wagon again?

[Nachomamma8]

horoscope says today is my motherfucking day so please pay extra attention to everything that i'm saying por favor

[Nachomamma8]

From my point of view, we are town, so if the mafia has it I want to know about it. If town has it, I don't really need to know about it, but it's not something I want to be worrying about on D3-D4 if the person who held it got killed N1 for instance.

^this is all i give a shit about + giving a person about to be shot getting a chance to claim before they die
we can do juls's thing if someone refuses to shoot before a reasonable time but I'd be surprised if that happened

[Iecerint]

Why is there a Witness Protection wagon again?

I'm voting him for his vote for Xayzeck.

Which. That's his whole iso.

[Nachomamma8]

TOWN:

StrangerCoug: Coug seems pretty aggressive and loudly town, shouldn't take too much explanation to get that through. Tone such as the tone thrown out in #86 is the type that I'd be pretty surprised if SC could replicate it as scum, it's the shining bright townie example of being aggressive for aggressive's sake and not giving a shit whose toes you trample on.

Xayzeck: Aside from the stream of consciousness posting which Xayzeck is already pretty talented at pulling off, I especially like the way he's approaching the wagon on him. As scum, RVS wagons can be difficult to navigate because they're so incredibly volatile and can rise or fall in a heartbeat. I feel like scumXay wouldn't want to approach that RVS wagon in the way he did (aka questioning everyone with a stance that matters) because he wouldn't want to poke that kind of beast as aggressively as he did as scum: and even if you lack that, I think questioning people on their townreads on you when you're under fire is a pretty good townread in and of itself, so.

Juls: There hasn't been much content admittedly (but in 5 pages I don't expect content to be bleeding out of all of the pages), but I like the daykill theory that she has talked about and I like the immediate out as non-dayvig. Now, I don't think being logical and making sense in a theory discussions matters at all alignment-wise but what Juls showed that no one else managed to encapsulate was effort, and that means a lot to me. It shows that she's putting effort into something that either A) fucks up plans if her buddy has the dayvig or B) makes a lot of unnecessary complications if her scumbuddy doesn't have it (aka gains her team nothing). I would like to challenge her on her "feels townie but isn't townie" comment because I'm with her on StrangerCoug feeling townie but don't understand how that suddenly translates to him not being townie.

LEAN TOWN:

PeregrineV: For me, the best thing in Peregrine's ISO is his Witness Protection vote. Not only do I feel it's probably going to hit scum, but I also think it's unlikely for Peregrine to forge his own way as scum (and such an odd own way, at that). The state of the game when Peregrine was going through the game left him in a unique position to pretty easily hop on a hypoXaytown wagon

SCUM:

Witness Protection: When I talked about how town Peregrine was based on timing, this is the flipside of the coin I was talking about. This was the type of vote that generally seemed like an attempt to convert the RVS Xay wagon to something serious or just continuing the momentum towards that lynch. I'm less excited about the vote since he seems to have flaked ( ).

Salamence20: Generally, whenever someone who I'd expect to at least be a presence is lacking AND their giving excuses, I check activity elsewhere. In this case, I found Salamence was generally more engaged pretty much everywhere else but here, which is strange because this game is lacking a lot of those red flags which generally cause inactivity (giant game, dense game, difficult to work with personalities), and his content is shit, to say the least. Dry said earlier that he would be picking on those who focused too heavily on theory, which is something I agree with when it follows so closely with scum motivation like this ISO seems to. #27 is a glorified prod dodge, #51 and related posts just seemed like Salamence picking on logic because it's something to post as opposed to the vote+pushes that literally everyone else made.

[Nachomamma8]

my horoscope gave me energy to do that but i don't think i have too much in me guys

[Nachomamma8]

a block a way from ludis park el camino parked
in her heart she hate it there, but in her mind she made it where
nothing really matters, so she hit the back seat
rosa parks never a factor when she's makin ends meet

[Nachomamma8]

ok let's fucking go

[Nachomamma8]

Gemini Blind:

So I read this game recently modded by Thesp where in moderator comments he basically called STD the towniest town ever to towned, and I see why even though I'm sure that fire hasn't blazed as hard as it could have because this game is weighed down a bit by theory theory theory (which could be why Salamence is lurking maybe but that doesn't make sense considering he contributed to it), but #93 is pretty nice tonally because holy shit the conviction. And it wouldn't normally be a towntell, but that type of conviction in this type of situation (talked about in the Juls townread)? Nah. I like his brother when he posts (aka nothing transparently scummy), especially since he seems to be a bit more inclined to prod at people and cares less about theory than STD does, but needs more posts.

Fixed tags.

[Nachomamma8]

Dry-Fit leans town because he has a tendency to cut through the bullshit and could happily focus on all the theory AND I like where his vote ended up, but that's one of those "based on hypothetical things" thus lean town.

[Nachomamma8]

fuck me elyse is my last scumread of the group
think burn is p town and iec is lean town

[Nachomamma8]

hqappiest killing wp or salamence

[Nachomamma8]

probably mostest happiest killing salamence

Vote: Salamence

[Xayzeck]

fuck me elyse is my last scumread of the group
think burn is p town and iec is lean town

are these independent or did you PoE some of em out

[Nachomamma8]

independent

[Nachomamma8]

just conclusions lazily reached