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Post Post #1350 (ISO) » Wed May 23, 2007 6:00 pm

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My current thoughts on people-
Pretty sure are town:
Ecto, because he has a correct investigation on me.
Twito, because Ecto has an innocent on him. Godfathers are a consideration, but it seems unlikely that he'd claim a power (like roleblocking or boosting) that is testable if he has no way to demonstrate it. Only way I could see him being scum is if he's a Godfather of the group that has a roleblocker in it (the one blocking cops is definately scum), and that seems a pretty iffy theory- as Thok pointed out, there was no reason for scum to block RR if they knew he was targeting their investigation immune godfather that night.

Likely town:
IH and Zindaras, because it'd be risky to claim masons when the death of either would incriminate the other. Alignments aren't guaranteed, so it's possible that the mason claim is true and one isn't town.

Uncertain:
Thok and Fritzler. Fritz has stated that Thok is town but has ignored questions as to why; I'd really like him to state whether he knows for certain, and how, so he can't just write it off as being based on gut if Thok dies and ends up being scum. Thok, for his part, said he thinks the claim of Thok being town was a reasonable followup to Fritz's variable win condition claim, which I don't really understand. The connection is something we may want to look into.
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Fritzler hasn't posted since D3; can you prod him?

I don't really have anything solid on DoS, HH, or Nightfall. I'd like to change that.

I'm going to have to do a reread so I can base some of this on gameplay and not just claims, but that's probably going to have to wait til the weekend.

I'd been operating under the assumption that there was a 4-5 person mafia and an SK or vig, but the lack of a readily apparent connection between the two dead scums' roles may indeed be an indication of two mafias.
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Post Post #1351 (ISO) » Wed May 23, 2007 6:17 pm

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What do people think about the idea of a mass claim, given that we've already got 4 claimed power roles outed of the 10 living people?

@Sefer-one thing that I have considered about Zindie/IH is that they are scum masons from two different scum groups who can talk to each other at night. (I don't think this is the case, but I consider it a good idea for the idea to be out there.)
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Post Post #1352 (ISO) » Wed May 23, 2007 6:47 pm

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Agreed, both that it is possible but that it's unlikely. It's my understanding that one doesn't usually see that outside of Bastard Mod or similar games (though I could be wrong there).

I'm fine with a mass claim; if we go through with it, I'd suggest Thok go first (since he suggested it) and have each person choose the one who will claim next.
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Post Post #1353 (ISO) » Wed May 23, 2007 7:24 pm

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Thok wrote:OK, time for me to get this game moving again.
HackerHuck wrote:Neither of last night's kills seemed to be good vig targets in my opinion. I think we're more likely to be dealing with two scum groups or a serial killer. That also makes sense with the number of pro-town power roles that have been claimed and revealed.
Given that Kison came up protown, why wouldn't Thesp have been a good vig target?

Why do you think that scum/SK would target Thesp rather than the multitude of claimed power roles?
Now that you mention that second point, your assertion of Vig over SK makes sense. I'm not sure what I would read into CES' kill, considering I thought he seemed a bit scummy at the time.

I was just looking back and saw that a number of people had Thesp leaning town or strongly town in their eyes - myself included. I also didn't see that Kison turning up town really made him seem any scummier.

As for the mass claim, I'm no expert, but I think that if Ectomancer's theory is right then it's a good idea. If he's wrong, we could be screwing ourselves.
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Post Post #1354 (ISO) » Thu May 24, 2007 3:25 am

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Sefer wrote:I'm fine with a mass claim; if we go through with it, I'd suggest Thok go first (since he suggested it) and have each person choose the one who will claim next.
Huh? It's fairly clear that any logical mass claim order has Fritzler going before me.
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Post Post #1355 (ISO) » Thu May 24, 2007 4:28 am

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Thok wrote:
Sefer wrote:I'm fine with a mass claim; if we go through with it, I'd suggest Thok go first (since he suggested it) and have each person choose the one who will claim next.
Huh? It's fairly clear that any logical mass claim order has Fritzler going before me.
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Post Post #1356 (ISO) » Thu May 24, 2007 7:45 am

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I'd like Sefer to go sometime soon.
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Post Post #1357 (ISO) » Thu May 24, 2007 8:42 am

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IH wrote:I'd like Sefer to go sometime soon.
On what basis? That he is a probable Godfather, or that my investigations are wrong?
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Post Post #1358 (ISO) » Thu May 24, 2007 3:33 pm

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Godfather, most definitely.
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Post Post #1359 (ISO) » Thu May 24, 2007 5:24 pm

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Thok wrote:
Sefer wrote:I'm fine with a mass claim; if we go through with it, I'd suggest Thok go first (since he suggested it) and have each person choose the one who will claim next.
Huh? It's fairly clear that any logical mass claim order has Fritzler going before me.
I'm fine with him going first, assuming he shows up at some point.
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Post Post #1360 (ISO) » Thu May 24, 2007 6:56 pm

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Gah, I just lost part of my analysis when my computer decided it didn't want to stay on. It'll be a little while longer.
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Post Post #1361 (ISO) » Thu May 24, 2007 7:29 pm

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IH wrote:Godfather, most definitely.
I need to stop scrolling up when I first check a thread. For a moment I actually thought you had claimed this.

If we're doing claims, I think we should have everyone claim, even those who already have. I'm fine if they go last so they can reread their original ones.
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Post Post #1362 (ISO) » Sat May 26, 2007 9:07 am

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HackerHuck wrote:If we're doing claims, I think we should have everyone claim, even those who already have. I'm fine if they go last so they can reread their original ones.
OK why do you think this is a good idea?
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Post Post #1363 (ISO) » Sat May 26, 2007 5:06 pm

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Yeah that seems kind of pointless.....
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Post Post #1364 (ISO) » Sat May 26, 2007 5:58 pm

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We're obviously going to be discussing the claims and IIRC, out of the ten of us left, there have already been four or five claims. I'd rather have everything all in one place to discuss so I don't have to dig back through the thread to pick out where everyone claimed.
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Post Post #1365 (ISO) » Sun May 27, 2007 8:32 am

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Im not thrilled with a mass claim but I could go with one.
I agree that Fritz should claim before Thok though.



Sorry about the lack of input guys. I've had a lot on my plate lately and I keep seeming to be getting more to deal with.
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Post Post #1366 (ISO) » Sun May 27, 2007 7:59 pm

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I agree with mass claiming as well.
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Post Post #1367 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2007 2:47 am

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Post Post #1368 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2007 10:54 am

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Nightfall wrote:Im not thrilled with a mass claim but I could go with one.
I agree that Fritz should claim before Thok though.



Sorry about the lack of input guys. I've had a lot on my plate lately and I keep seeming to be getting more to deal with.
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Post Post #1369 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2007 11:12 am

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Wow,...so soon.. what now? do we have a claim order of some sort?
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Post Post #1370 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2007 11:24 am

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I think that with Fritz's claim there's good reason for me to go last. (Fritz's claim was mostly what I was expecting, although I wasn't necessarily expecting Diplomancy as opposed to some other game).

We need to find an order of Sefer, Nightfall, HH, DOS? I don't really care what order they go in among those 4.
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Post Post #1371 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2007 12:26 pm

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I'm still in favor of each person choosing the next person to claim, so I think Fritzler should choose whoever claims next.
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Post Post #1372 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2007 12:44 pm

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Thok wrote:I think that with Fritz's claim there's good reason for me to go last. (Fritz's claim was mostly what I was expecting, although I wasn't necessarily expecting Diplomancy as opposed to some other game).

We need to find an order of Sefer, Nightfall, HH, DOS? I don't really care what order they go in among those 4.
I'm not certain I agree with you going last. If you are scum, you could be waiting to hear the other roles so you don't make the mistake of getting counter-claimed. Is there a good reason for Thok to go last?
Also, I'm good with the idea of each claimant choosing the next one.
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Post Post #1373 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2007 12:57 pm

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Ectomancer wrote:I'm not certain I agree with you going last. If you are scum, you could be waiting to hear the other roles so you don't make the mistake of getting counter-claimed. Is there a good reason for Thok to go last?
Also, I'm good with the idea of each claimant choosing the next one.
OK, seriously, does anybody have any compelling argument for me actually being scum (which is the only reason why you should consider not having me go last)? I mean, people are assuming there's complete and total symmetry between all five of me, DOS, HH, Sefer, and Nightfall, which is IMHO complete and total nonsense. I've left a fairly clear paper trail about how I've felt about most things in the game; I'm the only person who actually forced people to say what they felt about Kison.

There's also an incongruity about Sefer in particular; he apparently trusted me enough to follow me with respect to HH yesterday, but apparently doesn't trust me to go late in the claiming chaim.
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Post Post #1374 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2007 2:33 pm

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I'm a little leary about anyone who suggests a mass claim but wants to go last.
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