Mini 441 - Flavourless Mafia. Game Over!

[The Fonz]

Two things. Firstly, I think someone2 is entirely confirmed in my mind. If SC's pointing out that his claim about getting info late was true didn't do it (which, as I said earlier, means he definitely had an investigation role, and I think scum role cop is even less likely than variant sanities in a mini normal) Streeflo feeling the need to confirm his story makes it certain (if Streeflo is town, then it means the story is true, and if not, the fact that he feels the need to get his own story in line with someone2's speaks volumes).

Secondly, Streeflo, would you mind explaining why you never once mentioned on day one a player on whom you claim to have had a guilty investigation?

Thirdly, if you were a cop, and received your investigation late as someone2 had claimed, why did you state that 'he was a lynch for later?' Surely the fact that he, unprompted, came out with something you knew to be true and only an investigation role could know, would confirm him in your eyes?

[The Fonz]

ED: I know I said two things. I thought of another as I was posting.

[xyzzy]

You're acting generally scummy. You're acting more like a SK, but scummy is scummy no matter what scummy the scummy is.

(I just used the word "scummy" a lot...)

Yes, I am pushing for you're execution; I think you're the most likely to result in elimination of scum.

[someone2]

Um guys. If you look back, I think it would make perfect sense thinking I was a cop.

First day Primate claimed to be a cop getting a guilty on someone, and I was lyk Oo.

Then someone2 claims cop and says he got his investigation late. I BOLDED that statement and pointed out how interesting that was, seeing how the same thing happened to me.

I did not COUNTERCLAIM someone2 because I think I am probably paranoid or insane. Various sanities make perfect sense.

The Fonz pointed out how there would be no different sanity in a mini game. I contradicted that flat out and said I'm not so sure about that.

The only suspiscion most of you have on me is the innocent SK comment I made at the beginning of the day. Xyzzy jumped on that comment instantly, and now wants to lynch me despite my claimed cop and various breadcrumbs.

I have no idea why undo is "definitely the GF". I don't see the connection.

I believe Streeflo for now. I see that, like me, he has an investigation role and that, if he was a mafia cop or something, he would have tried to lynch me with the bolded sentence of the post he is talking about in the last post instead of pointing that it was interesting.

[someone2]

Oops i didn't see your last post, xyzzy, and forgot to

unvote

vote:Xyzzy

I don't understand what Streeflo did that was so scummy. The thing of the SK was just peanuts( I don't know if this expression exists in english, lol ) and his cop claim was complete. i think you're just a scum trying to lynch one cop, so that he can kill the other cop during the night. Can you explain why you find streeflo that scummy?

[xyzzy]

Streeflo was defensive upon suggestion that we consider his actions.

Ergo, scummy.

[Streeflo]

Secondly, Streeflo, would you mind explaining why you never once mentioned on day one a player on whom you claim to have had a guilty investigation?

Thirdly, if you were a cop, and received your investigation late as someone2 had claimed, why did you state that 'he was a lynch for later?' Surely the fact that he, unprompted, came out with something you knew to be true and only an investigation role could know, would confirm him in your eyes?

2. I got a guilty result on bird1111. bird1111 was not acting in the least bit scummy at all, and sanity is never confirmed. I did not know what I was yet, and needed more investigation results to determine my sanity.

3. Just as undo said, he could be another investigation result for the mafia. Plus, even if he was a cop, he was acting very scummy yesterday. However, his claim is solid enough IMO now that I look at it, so I don't feel he is the lynch for today. No one is ever 100% confirmed.

That's why I bolded that statement in his quote. I said it was the only thing bothering me about his claim, because it made perfect sense.

[The Fonz]

Actually, sanity CAN be confirmed, which reminds me, someone2, does your PM tell you that you know you're sane?

[Cum Grano Salis]

Whoa. A lot has happened.

As the discussion of sanities began, I recalled something that bothered me earlier:

That said:

It's sure I got innocent on Aimee, she's innocent. The

Are you sure you got an innocent on Aimee because you got a PM telling you as such, or because she came up town? Because that little bit made it sound like the latter.

No, Stallingchamp told me that the role of Aimee was now public 'cause she had been killed during the night.

So, I think that what someone2 said gives us some interesting info:

• If it is true, then SC hasn't even thought about sanities. It's like he was saying: you will get the TRUE result anyway (which he wouldn't do if there were several cops with variant sanities). Which means Streeflo isn't a cop.
  
  If it's a lie then someone2 is not a cop. Then Streeflo is probably the cop. If he is the only cop, then he is probably Insane, and not Paranoid (because it would be really hard for the town to win with no investigation info)

In short, Streeflo and someone2 can't be both cops. If Streeflo is the real cop, then he is Insane.

Mod:

votecount, please

[Raffles]

This is a multi-sanity cops game?

[someone2]

Actually, sanity CAN be confirmed, which reminds me, someone2, does your PM tell you that you know you're sane?

No, I can be naive and Streeflo can be insane

[undo]

I don't know why, but I think I believe Streeflo. His story makes sense, and I don't think he would risk claiming a result on a living person if he was scum.

But now I'm suspicious of xyzzy: his urge to lynch Streeflo and his doubtful reasoning about me being the GF stroke me as odd.

FoS: xyzzy

you will get the TRUE result anyway (which he wouldn't do if there were several cops with variant sanities).

Why?

[The Fonz]

I don't know why, but I think I believe Streeflo. His story makes sense, and I don't think he would risk claiming a result on a living person if he was scum.

That's completely the opposite of how it seems to me. If he claims cop and doesn't report an investigation on one living person, he's dead.

That said, it does seem incredibly suspicious how Xyzzy has attempted to discredit both cop claims one after the other. Mind, I still can't buy him as scum with Bob. There is, of course, another possibility...

[StallingChamp]

The Second Day 2 Votecount!

xyzzy (2) - Streeflo, someone2
someone2 (1) – undo
Streeflo (1) – xyzzy

8 Alive,

5 to lynch

[undo]

Pressure on xyzzy.

Unvote

Vote: xyzzy

[Streeflo]

There is, of course, another possibility...

*cough* sk

I don't understand the logic CGS uses to prove that there can only be one cop.

[xyzzy]

Oh, that's right, I forgot! I'm obligated to believe any claim, regardless of credibility/position of claimer.[/sarcasm]

I take any claim with a grain of salt; it could be truthful; it could be a lie.

[The Fonz]

There is, of course, another possibility...

*cough* sk

I don't understand the logic CGS uses to prove that there can only be one cop.

I interpret it as follows: if SC did indeed tell someone2 that Aimee's alignment would be revealed due to her death, he's basically telling someone2 he's sane, (Since his investigation must be the same as the alignment she shows upon death) and in such a way that implies there aren't variable sanities in the game (since if there are, letting one particular cop know he's sane is influencing the result of the game in the town's favour).

I think this would be sound reasoning, were I sure SC hadn't simply goofed.

Oh, that's right, I forgot! I'm obligated to believe any claim, regardless of credibility/position of claimer.[/sarcasm]

I take any claim with a grain of salt; it could be truthful; it could be a lie.

There's a difference between taking a claim with a grain of salt, and mounting an all-out assault on the claimant.

[xyzzy]

Okay, so I'm "assaulting" claiming individuals.

I don't believe both of them. I'm more doubtful of Streeflo, and I find the claims unbelievable.

[MeMe]

StallingChamp will no longer be modding this game. Please let me know via PM if you feel strongly about keeping this game going. If I hear from half of the players, I'll look for a replacement mod. Otherwise, I'll pull the plug in 72 hours.

'kay?

[Glork]

MeMe: Pie_is_good is slated as a backup mod for the game, according to the initial post. You should probably contact Pie about taking over, if SC is going to be gone for good.

[MeMe]

Don't know why I didn't look there! Thanks, Glork.

[Pie_is_good]

I'd be happy to take this game over. Far as I'm concerned, action can continue.

[Cum Grano Salis]

I don't have much time now to read and post, but essentially I think it is more likely that someone2 would be the real cop, and not Streeflo.

About SC just messing up with someone2 - I think it is too much to assume.

Fonz's explanation of what I said is right.

This is a multi-sanity cops game?

That's what we are trying to figure out. What do you think - who is the cop: Someone2 or Streeflo? Or maybe both?

Meanwhile, Primate hasn't said anything for quite a while. SC didn't tell us whether he picked up the prod, so:

Mod:

Please prod Primate.

Vote: Primate

It's been too long.

[Cum Grano Salis]

And by the way,

Mod:

Welcome!