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[Simenon]

I'm not getting you

Simenon: You fail reading comprehension. In the post I did a
Scummy: Reason A.
Not scummy: Reason B (John is a newbie + Reason Bb.)

Then I concluded: maybe scummy due to 'let's move on scum-tell.'

Would you rather I fixate on one person (like Skruffs appears to be doing?)

So... Skruffs thinks I'm scum but is leaving his vote on Simenon. How convenient.

I'm also getting suspicious of the people who have been remarkably quiet lately.

That's all? I'm insulted.
The point is, spectrum, you mentioned that john's spamminess was not a scum tell at all. It's obviously trying to ease your way up to john wagon.

[spectrumvoid]

This 3-way argument is leading us nowhere.

I'd definitely like to hear more from Mustafa15, especially since he was also silent for most of yesterday.

IH and panzer: opinions?

I'd also like to hear more from TCS, who seems to have disappeared.

[spectrumvoid]

Oh I just saw this:

One example of this fallacy that is used in Mafia games is to argue that because someone has been Scum in a disproportionate number of their games in the past, they are more likely to be ProTown "this time around". Since roles are assigned randomly each game, previous games will have no effect on the current situation. "

[mustafa15]

Well, knowing that SV is scum, and SV was voting Mustafa yeseterday, and Mustafa isn't scum... in conclusion, if SV is voting TCS, TCS must not be scum.
Hmm. *puzzle*
And I was sure he was, too.

SV, you have turnred up scum in almost every game that I've played with you. I'm starting to wonder if I am like a figment of your guilty concious, and I only replace into games where you are scum, or something. You are acting like the SV in all the games i've seen you in where you are scum, so, i will say that that you are scum.
It's like, if I was pretending to be a cop (I'm not), I would say I have a guilty result on you, or something like that.

Well... my case is this... I was suspicious of SV day one... simply because of the huge ratio of times she has been scum to times she has not been. IE, all of them. I know that's gambler's fallacy, but, something about the way she was goading me at the end of the day struck me wrong.

I pretty much severely dislike all of these posts, enough to

vote:Scruffs

[PJ.]

I think Simenon and Skruffs are scum.

Unvote, Vote:Skruffs

[Simenon]

have you even tried to read the game?

[Skruffs]

SV, don't try to tie yourself to mustafa, he's town

[Simenon]

btw, I was completely on base with my prediction of john. I didn't even point out how bad sv looks with john-town.

[spectrumvoid]

I'm going to put Skruffs on ignore. Scum muddying waters, yes.

Hi TCS.

Simenon: So... do you still think I'm scummy? Or is Skruffs scummier?

[Simenon]

I want to hear more thoughts about you, spectrum, before I consider Skruffs.

My gut is that he's being nonsensical, but not necessarily scummy.

[Skruffs]

Has *Everyone* commented on SV? I've been fishing for reactions for two game days now. I investigated her night one. Is that clearer? She's scum.
<3 her though. THere are no godfathers, and no millers. I think she, if nobody else, saw my accusation day 2, and I think that the doctor did too. I think that's why there was no kill last night.
I know, I know, it's all so WIFOM.
Lynch SV and I'll be cleared. Even if you think I'm scum bsusing a buddy or something, it's still -1 scum, and we're NOT at lylo, so it's safe.

[Simenon]

But, then, why are you still voting me Skruffs?

[Skruffs]

Read up. SV is a known, and I don't know how much longer I have in the game, so I'm trying to flush out the rest of the scum. Everyone's upt their votes and opininos out there nad if I remember correctly, two or three pages back there was something that lead me to think that I knew who the second scum person was, BUT, after my vacation, I forget, so I need to reread.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I had a long weekend away. I don't think Skruffs is scum at all. His play is pretty consistent with Skruffs playing bored, ergo aggressive townie. I think Mustafa is town as well, because his vote for Skruffs is at least legitimate. Panzer's vote for Skruffs, on the other hand, looks scummy as hell. I think it fits with the typical scumplay of FOSing a partner and voting a townie.

I'm thinking panzer/simenonscum at the very least. I don't buy the case on SV yet, but IGMEOY anyway.

So for the moment, if I am voting,

unvote

and

vote: Simenon

. If he's scum, I put panzer's likelihood of being scum at about 80%.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Also, SV, if Simenon turns up scum, the same scumplay I attributed to panzer applies to you as well, so I definitely GMEOY.

[PJ.]

Simenon, I knew John was town too. Self-preservation meant it was either john or me. I'd rather it be me. Simenon, you are scum. With Skruffs or TCS as the scum buddy.

[Skruffs]

earth to panzer

[The Central Scrutinizer]

earth to panzer

yarly

All this focus on Simenon, after I only passingly mentioned his scumminess, means a) the scum are lurking b) he's getting bussed by someone, or c) our scum are being obvious. Any which way, I think we get a lot of info from this lynch.

[Simenon]

None of you are being very bright.

Attempting an information lynch without a reasoning other than that is a risky gamble. Tomorrow, we're in lylo, and my alignment isn't what is going to solve the game at that point. I can tell you that I'm town, and if that happens , there is no place to go. TCS's particular reason for my lynch is unsubstantial. What information about my lynch do you get/not get with a Skruffs lynch?

Skruffs, that's some of the worst reasoning I have ever heard. Trying to flush out the remaining scum? SV isn't a known scum! You've haven't even provided a freaking case? What could you possibly "flush out" with me being -1 from lynch? Think about the first scum first.

TCS, why don't you buy the case? Also, putting anybody at 80% is utterly idiotic.

Panzer, self preservation was not necessary if you knew that john was town. Also, I'm getting the feeling you haven't been reading the thread. I am going to avoid games with you in the future, but for now you can make this experience a bit less frustating and perhaps more enjoyable if you actually try to play the game.

bah.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

@ Simenon: I think there's so many people accusing/defending/ignoring you completely that lynching you is going to help us hunt out the other scum.

[Skruffs]

Unvote

You're at -1? Wow. Not any more, thanks to me!

*proud*

No, I was not trying to lynch you, simenon. I was trying to get more information about you and such out. If I thought for sure you were scum, I'd defintely be saying that you shuld be lynched. Other people are trying to bypass what I said about SV in getting you lynched, misconstruing things nad such forth. Panzer is one of those people. TCS is another. One of them will get checked out tonight.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Unvote

You're at -1? Wow. Not any more, thanks to me!

*proud*

No, I was not trying to lynch you, simenon. I was trying to get more information about you and such out. If I thought for sure you were scum, I'd defintely be saying that you shuld be lynched. Other people are trying to bypass what I said about SV in getting you lynched, misconstruing things nad such forth. Panzer is one of those people. TCS is another. One of them will get checked out tonight.

FOS:Skruffs

[Skruffs]

*puts his head in his hands*
TCS, I can't tell if you are playing stupid or if you're just skimming and have no idea what's going on. You've been super-scummy pretty much all game - which is why I was voting you earlier, something I don't remember ever being addressed before john imploded day two.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

And you're saying that hopping off of a fairly reasonable wagon at the last second isn't deserving of a FOS?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Especially in concert with a pretty much contrived case against SV?

Come on, man.