Mini 427 - Clue Mafia 2 - GAME OVER

[Jack]

See, and it works. Why insult me for it?

Scum tell.

"let's put pressure on player" *player posts* "see? it works--therefore I am protown".

The whole point of putting pressure on someone is to get a post you can use somehow, something to interpret, something that tells you about them. You don't seem to care about that though.

[Ancalagon]

Jack's right. TCS isn't looking good.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Jack extrapolates. I never claimed I was protown because the pressure vote worked. I claimed that the pressure vote works.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Prods on dahen, CES, Ecto, and DoS please?

[Battle Mage]

hardly! unless you call outting numerous power roles, a 'success'!

Jack extrapolates. I never claimed I was protown because the pressure vote worked. I claimed that the pressure vote works.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

hardly! unless you call outting numerous power roles, a 'success'!

Jack extrapolates. I never claimed I was protown because the pressure vote worked. I claimed that the pressure vote works.

Once again, asking me to take responsibility for your continued bad play is in poor taste.

Please

refrain from doing so.

[MrBuddyLee]

See, and it works. Why insult me for it?

This is wrong on so many levels. I'll skip the egomania and address the fact that you're merely trying to look good, not actually accomplish anything.

[Jack]

^^Exactly.

[Ectomancer]

I was hoping for a vote count myself. There is stirring conversation, and then there is pressure that can result in a bad move for town.

unaccuse, accuse TCS

for badgering the easily pressured BM until he claimed.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Oh, please. I don't want to stray into OMGUS territory, but blaming me for Battle Mage's poor play is the crappiest of crap logic.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

EBWOP:

FOS: Ectomancer

[BillyTwilight]

I don't like TCS' post either. I despise MBL's post. MBL, how about you actually address the issues raised instead of misrepresenting what I have said. I am

not

showing a double standard. I attacked you in Clue 1 because you posted little in Day 1 then came out with a full attack against the most lynchable player on Day 2 while misrepresenting my arguments in that attack. I attacked you in this game because you were obviously active in the game as a whole, but posting nill in this thread. If you can't see that as suspicious play then... I don't know, I guess we won't see eye-to-eye very often.

FoS: Ecto

. TCS didn't "badger" a claim out of BM. In fact in the post before BM claimed TCS told BM that he was not asking for a claim. BM claimed in fear of a speedlynch when the only person (or persons, if you take MBL's version of events as truth) who have shown a propensity for speedlynching were

already

voting for him. BM's play was bad, plain and simple.

Still, something seems odd about TCS' current posting. I don't specifically agree with Jack, as I don't see TCS claiming that his pressure vote is a sign that he is town, but I don't like how TCS backed up my FoS of MBL so quickly. I think maybe he thinks that buddying up to me in this game after defending me in Clue 1 will make me think he is town here as well.

[Jack]

Traveling cross country, will be inactive until this weekend.

[DragonsofSummer]

Why do you want a prod on me TCS I posted two days, and one page, ago. Its not like an aweful lot is happening in these games besides you trying to bully people around.

[Battle Mage]

i will continue to blame you, until you cease YOUR poor play. that is, unless you are scum, in which case your play is good.
can we see any of the 'Helpful TCS' in this game?

hardly! unless you call outting numerous power roles, a 'success'!

Jack extrapolates. I never claimed I was protown because the pressure vote worked. I claimed that the pressure vote works.

Once again, asking me to take responsibility for your continued bad play is in poor taste.

Please

refrain from doing so.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

To DoS: Sorry, likely I pointed you out because I mixed up some numbers. Apologies.

To BM: Pressure wagons typically

are

helpful. That is, unless in response you claim cop Day 1 at Lynch -2 with no other players threatening to vote for you. The correct play would have been to wait it out. Claiming Cop Day 1 is pretty useless. Let's hope there's a Doc who believes you.

Here's a pseudo-PBPA since I'm feeling a little unloved.

al_kohaulec: Has failed to mention: TCS, BillyTwilight, Ancaglon, CES, Dahen. I'm not really getting much from al. He accused c_d of being the scummiest player, which I think is just an OMGUS. Looking bad to me.

Ancalagon: Has failed to mention: Anyone other than CES, BM, TCS. Ancalagon needs to post more, imo. By far the most lurker-scummy player in the game, by my estimation. All he's done so far is randomvote, state the obvious about BM always seeming scummy, and drop in to say that I'm looking bad without posting any substance otherwise.

Battle Mage: I'm inclined to believe he's Cop just because the play is so incorrect. Sigh. Not much use to me here.

BillyTwilight: Has failed to mention: anyone but TCS, MBL, BM, or Jack. Seems to be posting some content. Probably town, but I may be biased because he seems to agree with me.

chaotic_diablo: Has failed to mention: anyone but Ecto or al. Criticized ecto for being overdefensive.

Cogito Ergo Sum: One post, a randomvote for c_d. If we're going to hunt lurkers we should consider him seriously.

dahen: One post, no gameplay. Also needs to be more active. Same as CES.

DragonsofSummer: Has failed to mention: anyone but TCS. BM, and Jack. His play is pretty content-less, and I'd like to take this time to ask him to explain his reasons for voting me.

Ectomancer: I think he did overreact a little to c_d's vote. He makes an interesting vote for al, for "not pressuring him with c_d," which seems awkward. His most recent vote for me seems like an opportunistic hop onto a wagon supported by crap logic. Definitely my top suspect.

Jack: Mentions: c_d, dahen, TCS. BM, ecto. Misrepresents my post. I think he's definitely town, though. Gut feeling.

MrBuddyLee: Mentions: TCS, BM, Billy. Thought BM was scummy, and now thinks I am. Not a lot to go on.

Overall: Too many people still not involved to get a clear picture, which is the #1 reason why asshole speedlynching TCS is making an appearance this game. I'm not liking a couple of those who are voting against me, not because omg they suck, but because that vote seems like an opportunistic attack on a pro-town player who's just trying to generate some amount of discussion. My primary suspects after this reread are Ancalagon, al, and ectomancer.

In order to reflect that,

unaccuse, accuse: ectomancer

in the conservatory with the candlestick.

[Battle Mage]

rubbish! Your attempts to blame me, for your actions are very suspicious. The fact is, at the time, every actively posting player was voting for me, and i am absolutely certain that had i not claimed, i would have been lynched prematurely.
BM

To BM: Pressure wagons typically

are

helpful. That is, unless in response you claim cop Day 1 at Lynch -2 with no other players threatening to vote for you. The correct play would have been to wait it out. Claiming Cop Day 1 is pretty useless. Let's hope there's a Doc who believes you.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I'm not going to make this personal, as it is tending to be. We disagree in our conclusions. Sorry.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Who's leaving the Mansion?

The Central Scrutinizer

- (Jack, Battle Mage, Ancalagon, DragonsofSummer, Ectomancer)

chaotic_diablo

- (al_kohaulec, Cogito Ergo Sum)

Ectomancer

- (The Central Scrutinizer)

12 alive, 7 to lynch!

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I don't like this wagon. TCS, you should hop on over.

Battle Mage, you too. For Great Justice.

[MrBuddyLee]

It wasn't scummy to move to L-1 Day One in the other game, right? So it's not scummy for me to go

vote: TCS

, right?

Consistency. Billy?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

No hammers before I can claim, and no claims unless there's a threat of hammer. That sums it up.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

This is why lurking is still a viable scum strategy--people are willing to lynch whoever talks the most because you can find more "reasons" to wagon them.

[dahen]

Thanks for the prod.

I'll do as I usually do and go through what's happened of significance so far and then give my view. Stand by:

p1:
nothing of interest

p2:
Ok, Dragon has two votes. CD doesn't count since he's voting himself as always.
Then lots of talk about getting something to talk about.
Alko then goes for Ecto, one of the voters for Dragon.
CD follows, but only with suspicion, not a vote.
Ecto votes CD for jumping on the joke.
CD apologizes.
BM goes for Ecto.
As I see it, we at least have two candidates here: Ecto or CD.
Then TCS votes for BM for misuse of Omgus. I don't like that. He should have put some fire on the Ecto-CD-fight.
Jack votes CD and says he wants to speed lynch.
Dragon takes the bait (was it a bait?) and votes Jack back.

p3:
CD then accuses Ecto for his over-defense.
Ecto accuses CD back. This is as often two townies as not. So let's look for others jumping in.
alko votes CD
Ecto goes for alko for voting without putting pressure. I agree with this vote.
Dragon's comment and vote on BM I don't understand.
TCS votes BM.

unaccuse,accuse:dahen
What the hell kind of notes could you have had on this game?

I posted this in all clue games. Most of my notes were from clue 1, but I know I had something from Clue 2 as well. Sorry, but I don't remember it.
Jack goes for TCS.
Funny how there are more votes now when the CD+Ecto-battle has cooled down.

At this point, my vote would be on Alko, but I have some more pages to read and I'll see if I can find a little more founded theory.

[Battle Mage]

i was going to unvote until i read this post. it seems evident that you arent going to bother claiming, so i see no reason why we shouldnt lynch you now.

@CES-thanks for the offer, but i think TCS is the play for today

No hammers before I can claim, and no claims unless there's a threat of hammer. That sums it up.