In post 346, ac1983fan wrote:
Scum can't lead because they are scum, not town - they might attempt to lead but it is actually manipulation. Sala is coming off as earnestly leading. Pants is coming off as attempting to lead but is actually scum manipulating.
:/
It would be nice if you could show evidence or something, I'm getting real sick of this "Pants is scum because I feel like hes scum" nonsense.
You're scum for the same reason i believe it was Naz said - everything you've done just feels so deliberate, manipulative, and fake.
This Head opposes the Maru lynch. He believes that his other Head is still scumreading pants as well, but this Head has not confirmed that/discussed with my other Head because he want to get this in before/if someone hammers. This Head is still uncertain about the Ilama group, and the Heads of the Hydra will confer thereupon. Specifically, this Head is not sold on the Espresso slips and wants to examine Sala further.
Below are posts and the reasons this Head dislikes them, to put to rest claims that votes on pants have no bases.
Spoiler:
Post 26 is bad because there is no real basis for reads that early on, and the last line (that not engaging with oen's fruit group in RVS is scummy) is an especially bad attempt to establish a scumtell.
Post 91 has tortured reasoning for a tortured gambit. This Head has no problem with gambits, especially if they are player-centered. This one, however, makes no sense, and furthermore is an easy way to construct and justify a scumread on someone for no real reason.
Furthermore, Pants has leaped upon every fake scumtell that has happened in the game. See, for example, 128, 210, 212, and 234.
This Head fails to see the case against Maru, but he will happily read future cases and/or refer back to posts containing cases if said posts are pointed out to him. This Head is townreading Maru on the basis of his well-motivated setup commentary and a generally lack of scumminess in other posts, at least as far as this Head can determine.
Ok tier/aegor, this will be the last post I make for the day, I will not be posting anymore until we lynch.
First, Espresso: Let's say for hypothetical sake you and pants are mafia and I get lynched. You will follow along by saying espresso slipped and now should be lynched by killing AC. Total WIFOM.
To sum up: it is town-motivated to lynch espresso to prevent scum to manipulate espresso later.
Secondly: I don't care what you are going to say about it: persuading and scumhunting in other groups is pointless and scummy because YOU CAN NOT DIRECTLY AFFECT IT. There is almost no point in doing it (and I know I am guilty of it too), because I can hunt tomorrow based on interactions IN THE GROUP. It's like outside influences.
In post 380, Salamence20 wrote:Ok tier/aegor, this will be the last post I make for the day, I will not be posting anymore until we lynch.
First, Espresso: Let's say for hypothetical sake you and pants are mafia and I get lynched.
You will follow along by saying espresso slipped and now should be lynched by killing AC.
Total WIFOM.
To sum up: it is town-motivated to lynch espresso to prevent scum to manipulate espresso later.
Secondly: I don't care what you are going to say about it: persuading and scumhunting in other groups is pointless and scummy because YOU CAN NOT DIRECTLY AFFECT IT. There is almost no point in doing it (and I know I am guilty of it too), because I can hunt tomorrow based on interactions IN THE GROUP. It's like outside influences.
I'm ready for this day to end. I'd still prefer a Pants lynch to a Maru one, I'm not crazy on either but it seems Pants is unlynchable for today. The final group I have no concrete handle on, ac seems relaxed and natural so I'd say I prefer him to Sala but I also agree that regardless of what alignment Espresso's weird surrendering has come from, he is a WIFOM bomb that needs to be detonated pre-potenial LYLO
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
As much as I think Pants is the scum in my group, I'm curious about a scum motivation for getting me lynched from xayzeck and how likely it might be. In a situation where most of the game is scumreading Pants, but Pants is scumreading me over xayzeck, IF xayzeck were scum, would it not be in scum's best interest to lynch me with Pants to get rid of the townier of the two town in the group of three rather than lynch Pants with approval from the rest of the game?
I'm not saying at all I think this is the situation, I'm just curious if anyone else thinks that is a good scum play as well, yakno? Because I just thought of it and it reeked of scum brilliance to me.
still thinks pants is the scum and xyzeck is the town, but food for thought.
In post 380, Salamence20 wrote:Ok tier/aegor, this will be the last post I make for the day, I will not be posting anymore until we lynch.
First, Espresso: Let's say for hypothetical sake you and pants are mafia and I get lynched.
You will follow along by saying espresso slipped and now should be lynched by killing AC.
Total WIFOM.
To sum up: it is town-motivated to lynch espresso to prevent scum to manipulate espresso later.
Secondly: I don't care what you are going to say about it: persuading and scumhunting in other groups is pointless and scummy because YOU CAN NOT DIRECTLY AFFECT IT. There is almost no point in doing it (and I know I am guilty of it too), because I can hunt tomorrow based on interactions IN THE GROUP. It's like outside influences.
I'm done.
This part confuses me.
I get lynched
AC dies
HURR HURR ESPRESSO SLIPPED DIE
This is lame. People suspect you more today so they'll suspect you more tomorrow still.
Plus it will be obvious as shit. If ac dies and an immediate pudh for espresso? Puhlease.
Why do people want this day to end prematurely? I could end it at anytime but we have over a week left.
Xay, what could I do to convince you that Pants is scum?
What do you expect us to get out of this week? It seems we've reached a pretty natural conclusion to the day
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
In post 386, ac1983fan wrote:Why do people want this day to end prematurely? I could end it at anytime but we have over a week left.
Xay, what could I do to convince you that Pants is scum?
Scum motivation.
Forced towniness is not scum motivation.
I, as town, have done things just to be obvtown, without actually contributing to scumhunting much. It gives me freedom to relax and freely interact with people without having to worry about my image and getting lynched early game.
Not getting mislynched is always good, don't you agree?
Single incidents of forced townieness may not imply scum, but when EVERYTHING is forced townieness, a towny shouldn't have to force their townieness 24/7. Sure here and there is understandable, but repeatedly and constantly consistently having to force your townieness implies scum
The argument for me being scum is bullshit, because its basically "I don't have any real evidence that Pants is scum but I can feel that he's doing this on purpose because he is scum".
Its stupid.
In post 383, Maruchan wrote:As much as I think Pants is the scum in my group, I'm curious about a scum motivation for getting me lynched from xayzeck and how likely it might be. In a situation where most of the game is scumreading Pants, but Pants is scumreading me over xayzeck, IF xayzeck were scum, would it not be in scum's best interest to lynch me with Pants to get rid of the townier of the two town in the group of three rather than lynch Pants with approval from the rest of the game?
This does worry me, because if no scum get lynched day 1 and I live to day 2, I will be the lynch candidate. It seems fairly obvious right now. This is why I said that people who are scum hunting within other groups but town reading their own group are scummy, because scum is going to try to stir up shit within the all town group. This alone makes me want Naz and Ac out from the other 2 groups.
In post 380, Salamence20 wrote:Ok tier/aegor, this will be the last post I make for the day, I will not be posting anymore until we lynch.
First, Espresso: Let's say for hypothetical sake you and pants are mafia and I get lynched.
You will follow along by saying espresso slipped and now should be lynched by killing AC.
Total WIFOM.
To sum up: it is town-motivated to lynch espresso to prevent scum to manipulate espresso later.
Secondly: I don't care what you are going to say about it: persuading and scumhunting in other groups is pointless and scummy because YOU CAN NOT DIRECTLY AFFECT IT. There is almost no point in doing it (and I know I am guilty of it too), because I can hunt tomorrow based on interactions IN THE GROUP. It's like outside influences.
I'm done.
This part confuses me.
I get lynched
AC dies
HURR HURR ESPRESSO SLIPPED DIE
The argument for me being scum is bullshit, because its basically "I don't have any real evidence that Pants is scum but I can feel that he's doing this on purpose because he is scum".
Its stupid.
In post 383, Maruchan wrote:As much as I think Pants is the scum in my group, I'm curious about a scum motivation for getting me lynched from xayzeck and how likely it might be. In a situation where most of the game is scumreading Pants, but Pants is scumreading me over xayzeck, IF xayzeck were scum, would it not be in scum's best interest to lynch me with Pants to get rid of the townier of the two town in the group of three rather than lynch Pants with approval from the rest of the game?
This does worry me, because if no scum get lynched day 1 and I live to day 2, I will be the lynch candidate. It seems fairly obvious right now.
This is why I said that people who are scum hunting within other groups but town reading their own group are scummy, because scum is going to try to stir up shit within the all town group.
This alone makes me want Naz and Ac out from the other 2 groups.
"I HAVE A TOWN KILL LOCKED IN, STOP TRYING TO INTERFERE WITH MY SCUM PLANS!"
