Mini 447 -Game Over

[pickemgenius]

So we have a SK? Interesting. Good hit of scum though!!!
Sucks BBB is gone, he's a solid player, and would have been a big help for the town.

Oh yeah, random vote time!!

Vote: Arkest

, he knows why

[pickemgenius]

That sucks, my first mafia game ever and I got killed night one :c

nein, it rules, joo are scumzorz, and henceforth must die!!!!

[pickemgenius]

No non-English here.

umm yeah.

to clarify:

nein=no.

[pickemgenius]

vote: ryan

Also, Nebraska is better.

[pickemgenius]

hey thirdnail, you have to bold that vote for it to count.

I'll presume that's random aswell?

[pickemgenius]

Well, I'll be danged.

Vote: thethirdrail

Let's hope some discussion comes from this.

[pickemgenius]

Okay, so myself, pickemgenius, and thethirdnail all voted for a now-confirmed townie. One of us is probably Mafia. I'm going to Vote: thethirdnail for bandwagoning without offering explaination.

(Borat style)whoa whoa whoa whoa(end)


Hold up. He's got 4 now ( I think) and you got on the thirdrail for bandwagoning without explanation, is there an explanation you have besides

One of us is probably Mafia.

which screams WIFOM by the way. Also how were

any

of us supposed to know he was a townie, when we were still in random voting stage (hope we get out of it with this.)


Ewww....

Vote: Haschel Cedricson

[pickemgenius]

Haschel, myself, and pickem voted for ryan. I don't believe it's

good

logic to presume one of those who voted for ryan (a confirmed townie) is a definite mafia.

When I voted, I had one vote against me and chose to vote for someone who already had a vote to increase my chances of survival.

However, I do think a mafia member would use the same reasoning to vote for ryan knowing he was a townie.

explain the bolded part please....

Having said that, there is nothing I can do to convince anyone which of these motives I used to make my vote.

I will say that after I am lynched (I am the most likely candidate at this point) and you find out I was a townie

,

heavy suspicion should fall on those who voted for me immediately after ryan was modkilled (pickem and haschel).

Both could be understood to be using the reason a mafia member would vote for Ryan, which I explained above.

Umm what (in reference to underlined part)???


My vote was to spar discussion, and HC came in, gave no reasoning to put you at L-1, and my vote is on him now, and we've got discussion.

[pickemgenius]

My original motive for voting for ryan was to increase my chances of not being lynched

.

I did not want to random vote

.

I had one vote against me.

I chose to vote for someone who had a vote against him

, thus making it ryan -2, me -1...

I have less votes, I get to keep playing

.

Underlined-Explain how voting decreases your chances of being lynched?
Italics-Also, one vote on you isn't close to being lynched.
You need to be worried about finding scum, not staying alive, sucm worry about staying alive.
Bolded- Why?

vote: ryan

dude it can't be much more random then that.

I said that I was the most likely candidate to be lynched because:
I had the most votes against me at the time.
Any mafia member could add to the vote and kill a townie during the day.
Any townie had reason to suspect me via Hachel's logic.

You just said you had one.
True

[pickemgenius]

EBWOP: The Italics should start with the top line, the underline is the quote about your vote.

[pickemgenius]

Well, I'll be danged.

Vote: thethirdrail

Let's hope some discussion comes from this.

I wanted discussion, which has come, and at that time ryan was still in the game, my third vote was only half of what was needed for a lynch.

Seems odd you are complaining about the bandwagon when you were right in the middle of it.

I may be tired crapless, but I don't get where i'm complaining about the bandwagons.

[pickemgenius]

EBWOP: should be just over half, i really am tired crapless, still nothing to be worried about, nothing ever comes unless pressure was applied.

my third vote was only half of what was needed for a lynch

[pickemgenius]

What? Was your "Well, I'll be danged." not in response to the mod-kill? Ryan was quite dead when you made that post.

yea, and still then he was in no harm of being lynched.
When HC put him at L-1 we both promptly unvoted.

Well you voted for Herschel based on him jumping on the thirdnail bandwagon. That indicates to me that you probably don't approve of it.

You voted him too.
Infact we both were typing at the same time on that subject, then you reitterated what I typed in a post a little bit later.

Not sure where you where going with that.

[pickemgenius]

I don't understand why you are suspicious of me. the only evidence so far is that I voted for ryan.

I don't call a random vote on ryan before we knew his status as evidence.
Nobody else really should either.

[pickemgenius]

I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree with the logic that one of you must be scum because you had a vote on someone who turned out to be town.

That sounds familiar eh , look how that turned out...

[pickemgenius]

Well, I'll be danged.

Vote: thethirdrail

Let's hope some discussion comes from this.

Alrighty. Discussion hath come.

It would absolutly dumb for scum to quick hammer on a L-2.

[pickemgenius]

It would be stupid for town to hammer anyone on page 4.

[pickemgenius]

I'm sorry I haven't been able to post, I've been to busy with work and school, but I have a few days off now, so

I will read and post later today or tomorrow

.

Vote: Relph

Ummm, where is that?
Hope nothing is wrong, just wondering.

[pickemgenius]

I try not to start sentences with lowercase-named people. Probably go with leave them lowercase if I had to pick. FoS: people without capitalized names!

Unvote: Haschel Cedricson
Vote: Y.C
Lose internet again Y.C?

Bandwagon Vote: Y.C

FOS: People with capitalized names!

[pickemgenius]

mod hasn't posted in almost 9 days, here or anywhere.

/pokes Arkest

[pickemgenius]

/pokes mod

How long does he need to be missing for the game to be declared mod-abandoned?

I think MeMe checks it after about 10-14 days, then gives the mod 48 hours to come back, then it gets declared abandoned.


If anyone wanted to PM her, they could if they wanted too.
I'll give him like 2 more days before I do that, but you're all welcome to do it when you feel like it's neccessary.

[pickemgenius]

Oi. I'm here. If you'd like to complain. Talk to my incompentent teacher's dumbass final.

DAMZ JOO incompetent dumbass teacher!!!

DAMZ JOO ALL to hell.

[pickemgenius]

Still want that analysis from Relph.

I might do something of that nature to see if I can springboard some discussion and whatnot.

FOS: EVERYONE

[pickemgenius]

My super awesome analysis.


Random voting stage

Haschel Cedricson moves past random voting stage, while half the group hasn’t talked yet.
Ryan gets mod killed
I put thethirdnail at L-2 to spark some discussion.
Haschel Cedricson puts thethirdnail at L-1

Haschel, myself, and pickem voted for ryan. I don't believe it's

good

logic to presume one of those who voted for ryan (a confirmed townie) is a definite mafia. When I voted, I had one vote against me and chose to vote for someone who already had a vote to increase my chances of survival. However, I do think a mafia member would use the same reasoning to vote for ryan knowing he was a townie.

Having said that, there is nothing I can do to convince anyone which of these motives I used to make my vote. I will say that after I am lynched (I am the most likely candidate at this point) and you find out I was a townie, heavy suspicion should fall on those who voted for me immediately after ryan was modkilled (pickem and haschel). Both could be understood to be using the reason a mafia member would vote for Ryan, which I explained above.

And I will thank Arkest for rethinking his logic about me "obviously bandwagoning."

Vote: Pickemgenius

I agree with Haschel thus far, and his logic for choosing me follows.

Arkest post 48 is good.

Page 3 is a lot of me, ttr, Arkest and HC talking.

Spinwizard drops a gem of a post in post 89.
Also a shitty reason for a vote in post 100.


So in all

Unvote

Vote: Spinwizard

FOS: thethirdrail

If anyone wants to add on, then there prolly isn't alot more, but you can.

[pickemgenius]

Happy Birthday HC!!!

[pickemgenius]

I agree. Does it make you reconsider at all?


So close to deadline, *hopes people come out of hiding*

[pickemgenius]

suggest voting someone else, suggest why someone else is scummy.


I'm going to now vote for an inactive.


I hate doing that but I'm not getting any bad vibes from the talking people, so yea.

unvote

vote:Poison Ivy

[pickemgenius]

we're randomly lynching as it is.

we have like 4 people that will decide who will be lynched.

I can in good conscience lynch somebody who hasn't posted for the reason that they could have gotten their role pm, saw oh shit i'm mafia, i'm out of here, and that's it.



I'd be ok with Relph also, because he promised analysis and hasn't yet.

[pickemgenius]

1.It's WIFOM to try and determine a role based on the player abandoning the game.
2.mafioso who has abandoned the game can't hurt us though

first off, yes those numbers magically appeared out of nowhere.

1. Yes, but I can think about it.
2. We still want them gone either way.

[pickemgenius]

Vote: Blue Zebra

Just a hunch really.

Arkest always gets NK'ed

I am thought thinking Alsleet could be scum, since the night choice was made right after he replaced in the game.


But that's straying off in WIFOM territory.

[pickemgenius]

beats me. Maybe the SK/Vig??? is inactive

unvote

Vote: Alsleet

[pickemgenius]

That's kind of the response I knew would come from you.


I always change my vote alot.

You can check other games I don't mind.

[pickemgenius]

Alright, I have three questions that I would like answered before I vote for anyone.

pickemgenius: You are the one who first advocated lynching somebody who had not shown up. Was there nobody else you felt was scummy enough to merit a vote?

Nobody that has been semi-active, or active here when I placed the vote looks scummy. I was shocked to see a pretty quick second vote applied in the very next post by BZ.

[pickemgenius]

Also straying into WIFOM territory (and cause I see Alsleet is on)


Isn't it *possible* that Alsleet is scum, since a few hours after the fact, the NK was made? And I didn't see anybody else on during that time.

[pickemgenius]

Also straying into WIFOM territory (and cause I see Alsleet is on)


Isn't it *possible* that Alsleet is scum, since a few hours after the fact, the NK was made? And I didn't see anybody else on during that time.

Well, I did have to confirm myself replacing Y.C and getting my role(which isn't mafia by the way) and whatnot so the game couldn't continue unless I was confirmed. So that's why night ended right after I came in.

Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:47 pm - point at which you replaced Y.C.



Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:37 pm - point at which NK was made.



Night ended two hours after you replaced in.
Nobody else was on during that time from this game (that I saw, correct me if i'm wrong) so you were the only one who could have made the NK.

[pickemgenius]

Did you really monitor everyone who was and wasn't on from this game for nearly two hours. If you did, I'd say that's unhealthy. Plus, two hours is a relatively long span of time so I don't think it'd be terribly unlikely for someone to log in for even ten or fifteen minutes to NK. Also, some people keep their names hidden when they login so you should also consider that possibility.

I know this all seems very coincidental, but that's all it is. Coincidence. Now, you can follow your thin logic and lynch yet another townsperson or you can aim your suspicion at someone who warrants it more than I do.

Nope, just check shit to see who has recently posted on the front page during commercials, and didn't see anybody from this game post.

I really doubt it takes 15 minutes to decide who to NK.
The majority of scum talk about that nights kill amongst each other for a day or two going over different strategies, and would be very pissed if somebody just casually dropped in for ten minutes and sent a name.

Some people do keep theirs hidden, the whole ZOMG your name is hidden, joo must be scum game is really lame, and rarely right.

So who warrents suspicion more then you do?

[pickemgenius]

unvote

Look at my other games if you want.

Until I find a solid vote I jump around alot until I find somebody that I'm pretty sure is scum. Sometimes sooner then later.

[pickemgenius]

Blue Zebra.

I'm getting an actively lurking vibe from his posts.

[pickemgenius]

I can certainly understand that.

[pickemgenius]

Fair enough.

So, who do you think(besides me) is looking scummy, pickemgenius?

Question goes for everyone else too.

SpinWizard. In fact, I'm going to

vote: SpinWizard

. He's been posting just enough so that we can't call him a lurker, yet his posts have surprisingly little substance.

*looks at Spinwizards posts*

He looks to be actively lurking as well.


I would/might vote for him as well to build pressure.

I would like to hear something before that happens though.

[pickemgenius]

vote: Spinwizard

anti-town = bad.

nuff said