I'll comment on some of the things that have happened since Monday, and post my reasons for my Peter vote.
Peter Venkman wrote:Bandwagoning with whom? CTD is voting on Mustafa. Are you even paying attention?
No, no I wasn't, so my apologies to both you and CTD for my accusations of voting and bandwagoning back in post 457.
CTD wrote:Another thing that made me scratch my head was the way you jumped off Avinyl in your post #382:
Vel-Rahn Koon wrote:
I get absolutely nothing from John, Avi, Mustafa, and Raffles.
Then why was your vote on him for 8 whooping pages?
The initial vote was a pressure vote for lurking, and there was no one else who caught my attention for a vote so I just left it there.
My reasons for voting Peter:
Post 77, 95, 97 and others: Statements that Scum can afford to be outspoken in the beginning, because all arguments come down to WIFOM. Yet, he contradicts this sentiment in post 130 with a comment that states that scum should be worried about dying in the early game. If scum should be worried about dying, why would they be outspoken and potentially say something that could get them into trouble.
215 - vote for Guardian for "leading" the town, skeptical of anyone who believes in their convictions. I don't see how you're supposed to play this game if you don't believe in what you're doing. If you don't think someone is scum, why go after them? These are very black and white type statements, and seem to ignore the fact that convictions can change over time as new information is presented. FoS on everyone voting for Avi because scum can quicklynch, FoS for Mustafa because...he's voting after Guardian (post 217).
228 - among other things, a comment that scum would be foolish to wait for a -3 bandwagon before hopping on, which is a direct contradiction to the FoS for everyone voting for Avi in 215. Either the scum will jump on or they won't. Which is it?
Points out Guardian vote hopping "hoping for momentum to grow" but at that point it was the only time that Guardian had switched his vote as far as I can tell.
Calls out Guardian for playing at the whim of others, yet in the same post he asks if Guardian would be more comfortable if Peter put a vote on Mustafa instead, which seems hypocritical.
236 - states that Day 1 the raw odds are that a Townie will be lynched, and Guardian's "freaking out" about getting lynched will just get another Townie lynched. All well and good, but statistical raw odds don't jive in Mafia, where one of the prime mindsets is that you keep Day 1 going as long as you possibly can so that you can gather as much information as possible, and thereby reduce the raw odds of lynching a Townie.
Personally, it seems as though Peter has been doing his own directing of the town in the Guardian attacks, and trying to throw suspicion on Guardian for his comment about wanting to stay alive. I agree it's not a good town play, but as I've said, Guardian seems more newbie to me than scum, and newbs do a lot of stupid stuff.
260 - a subtle shift occurs in language, where Peter says that town shouldn't play to stay alive which is subtly different from town shouldn't be afraid to die. It seems to me that he is starting to try to mitigate his stance after the argument with Guardian is beginnning to lose steam.
286 - attempts to drop the argument with Guardian
288 - picks up the argument again, to a degree. Accuses John of role-fishing, which I thought was a great misinterpretation of what John was actually saying. Introduces an arugment about vanilla townies trying to stay alive if there's a cop, which is going in a completely different direction from the bulk of the argument. Directs the town towards post 266 to find more of Guardian's mis-qualifiers, but townies shouldn't be directing. States that Guardian is misrepresenting him by taking out the qualifiers such as "at this time", but the way the argument has structured itself to this point indicates that if Peter is talking about Day 1, so is Guardian. Guardian made no other statements to the contrary.
299 - defends xombie in a very defensive manner by jumping on John's request for a clarification. Post 254 had Peter express suspicions of John, Guardian, and Mustafa for covering for each other, which is another contradiction.
305 - evidence of Guardian and John supporting each other and he doesn't understand why players should do this. But, he did this same thing back in post 299. Slight appeal to emotion concerning getting lynched or nk'd and providing information to the town as a result.
324 - Guardian is dividing the town over an argument of playstyle. This isn't a one-way street - both of them are guilty of this, but Peter rests the blame squarely on Guardian.
398 - more of the same. Everything on Day 1 is WIFOM, no call to trust anyone, etc. Oblique finger pointing back towards Guardian for directing town, but at this point he's done almost all of these things himself, so I fail to see where he's right and anyone else is wrong.
404, 409 - doesn't like Thesp leading the game, but I don't see how he's leading the game. Thesp presented his thoughts and let others develop their own opinions of those thoughts. Town shouldn't lead, everyone should be suspicious, yada yada yada.
421 - vote for John, but there's no reasoning to be seen other than he "distrusts" him. Seems like he's doing what he accused Guardian of doing back in 228 (vote hopping).
423 - Guardian leading a bandwagon (how?) and pushing the town, something of which Peter is guilty.
454 - votes me for my inconsistency of determining number of scum, vote hopping from John in the process.
468 - deadline approaching, appeal to emotion to find someone to lynch.
Summary:
Peter has been saying all along that we shouldn't be leading, shouldn't be defending others, yet he's been more than willing to forgo these ideals when it suits his purposes. There have also been several incidences of Peter contradicting himself. There's no blatant scummy post that I can point out - everything taken as a whole is what I have a problem with.
So there's my reasoning for my vote on Peter. If lynching me today seems like the better play for everyone, then so be it.
