Micro 360: A Given Value of Normal (Game Over)

[Desperado]

Are you Wolfy's scummate?

that depends on how much towncred you're willing to give me if wolfy flips scum

[Desperado]

What do

you

think of Shroomish, font?

[fontisian]

Okay I can see where you're coming from now. Looking back on the posts he already has 5 votes.

He only has four. He would have three, if fontisian had bothered to bold her unvote.

fake edit:

Now he has three.

Too much effort.

Despardo: Yeah, I don't think you are. Or you have balls of steel.
Shroomish went back and forth between lightheated and scumhunting too easily. Feels fabricated.

[fontisian]

Hmm, Grib, is there a reason you waited until now to bring up my failed unvote?

[phokdapolees]

phokdapolees: For the third time, what do you think of Shroomish and why are you voting for Grib? Fail to answer again, and I promise you I will ignore whatever scumreads I have to shove a lynch down your throat.

ohdayum

Thought it was a bit strange that he was freaking out over the wagon, didn't really think much of it though. Desp makes a good point that it may be scum worried about an RVS wagon on their buddy. Voting Grib because he's just posted a bunch of fluff and doesn't seem to be doing a whole lot of scumhunting.

[fontisian]

phokdapolees: Thank you.

Really, Shroomish's reaction to the wagon was bad regardless of Wolfy's alignment. It had too much of a reaching for town!cred vibe to it.

Oh, and if Shroomish is scum, I'd put money on him setting town!Grib up to be lynched after he flips.

[Cheery Dog]

Votecount 1.01
fontisian ( 2 ) HighShroomish | Wolfy
Wolfy ( 2 ) My Milked Eek | insanity018
Grib ( 1 ) phokdapolees
HighShroomish ( 1 ) Desperado

Not Voting FunSizedOddball Grib fontisian

With 9 alive 5 votes are required to lynch
Deadline: (expired on 2014-07-30 05:09:44)

[Grib]

Hmm, Grib, is there a reason you waited until now to bring up my failed unvote?

Well, when I was writing the post, I took a break to check some other sites. When I came back and refreshed the page, a bunch of other people had posted, and I was like

oh well. Post.

Voting Grib because he's just posted a bunch of fluff and doesn't seem to be doing a whole lot of scumhunting.

We are going to have so much fun together.

[fontisian]

Grib: Get off your ass and start being useful, fluff ball. You're better than this.

VOTE: Wolfy

[phokdapolees]

We are going to have so much fun together.

[My Milked Eek]

Yeah, I don't know, but that doesn't sit right with me.

So you're all town and you all voted me because of my scumtell in post 4. fair enough.

lol

That's not what I said or hinted at. At all.

Grib: Why did you self vote?

Because it's one vote away from L-1.

Once again, why is this bad? RVS wagons are how the game gets started.

Also, VOTE: Grib

Why are you voting for Grib?

Let's see, I sort of like Grib depending on his response. I want more from Oddball, but they're pinging town. Eek's probably town. Shroomish is having mood whiplash and it's scummy as fuck, but I doubt he's scum with Wolfy. phokdapolees needs to answer my fucking question. Desperado's town unless Wolfy is scum.

And Wolfy needs to die.

Unvote
Vote Wolfy

Derp, Wolfy's already at L-1.

Unvote

Consider my vote on him anyway.

Grib: But it wasn't very entertaining. :/
What am I?

Eh?

Wolfy's running with false assumptions that likely come from a scum mindset. He claims to believe that there must be one scum on his wagon, even though that specific form of vote analysis doesn't apply to a quick RVS wagon. I've actually found that the people on the end of a large RVS wagon are more likely to be town, because they are reaction fishing and don't care about being scumread for their actions. There's also the fact that he cleared the first two people on his wagon, but their votes most likely being random shouldn't make them better than neutral in his mind.

Then there's his language. "It won't be all town on the wagon" is far too strong language for the situation, which implies that he was overcompensating. "So you're all town and you all voted me because of my scumtell in post 4," creates a false dichotomy, where there is either scum on his wagon or he was heavily scum read. In reality there are more likely options of reaction baiting and general trolling behavior. It also reeks of a scum irritated at being caught for the wrong reasons.

Finally, he shouldn't be making a "random" choice between me and Desperado. If he was actually trying to find scum, he would have tried to analyze our different responses to his wagon and asking questions. But he's not, because he's not actually trying to find scum.

Ding ding ding!

Yesterday I would have added that he voted you because you were the one to unvote and I assume Wolfy thought you wouldn't revote him because you're "cautious" around L-1 (which you are apparently). So he doesn't have to fear you revoting. His reason for voting you is also underwhelming. I expected at least a "pressure" reason (because you might be prone to pressure (due to your cautionness over L-1)), but it's just random.

The "randomness" of his vote on font doesn't sit right with me. I don't know, but I expected at least something.

Very content with my vote.

[Wolfy]

Wolfy's running with false assumptions that likely come from a scum mindset.

The only way you'd know my assumptions were false would be if you were scum

He claims to believe that there must be one scum on his wagon, even though that specific form of vote analysis doesn't apply to a quick RVS wagon.
I've actually found that the people on the end of a large RVS wagon are more likely to be town, because they are reaction fishing and don't care about being scumread for their actions.

in my experience it does

There's also the fact that he cleared the first two people on his wagon, but their votes most likely being random shouldn't make them better than neutral in his mind.

I didn't "clear" them. Mis rep.
I stated that I assumed their votes were random.
Seemed reasonable given they were posts 3 and 5

Then there's his language. "It won't be all town on the wagon" is far too strong language for the situation, which implies that he was overcompensating. "

So you're all town and you all voted me because of my scumtell in post 4

," creates a false dichotomy, where there is either scum on his wagon or he was heavily scum read.

sarcasm - next time I'll tag it for you. Oh, hang on, you knew it was sarcasm really didn't you...
I'm perfectly aware nobody scum read me for post 4

Finally, he shouldn't be making a "random" choice between me and Desperado. If he was actually trying to find scum, he would have tried to analyze our different responses to his wagon and asking questions. But he's not, because he's not actually trying to find scum.

I had a choice:

• fontisian (for the unvote more than the vote because he didn't want to look bad if I accidentally got quick hammered)
  
• desperado for the vote to put me at L-1

it was 50/50 for me - both looked scummy.
I randomly chose fontisian of the two

I got lucky, I made the right choice.

[My Milked Eek]

Still happy with my vote.

[Wolfy]

That's OKl then - everybody happy with their vote.

[fontisian]

Ah. Nothing like waking up to a steaming pile of bullshit.

[insanity018]

VOTE: Grib

How do you feel about juggling?

Grib did you just vote yourself?!

FunSizedOddBall, why did you feel the need to ask this question?

Grib: Why did you self vote?

Because it's one vote away from L-1.

Once again, why is this bad? RVS wagons are how the game gets started.

Also, VOTE: Grib

Why are you voting for Grib?

Let's see, I sort of like Grib depending on his response. I want more from Oddball, but they're pinging town. Eek's probably town. Shroomish is having mood whiplash and it's scummy as fuck, but I doubt he's scum with Wolfy. phokdapolees needs to answer my fucking question.

Desperado's town unless Wolfy is scum

. And Wolfy needs to die.

Unvote
Vote Wolfy

Hey.

Hey Desperado.

Are you Wolfy's scummate?

phokdapolees: For the third time, what do you think of Shroomish and why are you voting for Grib? Fail to answer again, and I promise you I will ignore whatever scumreads I have to shove a lynch down your throat.

^Scummy.

Why is Desperado either town or scum with Wolfy?

Why are you obsessed with asking phokdapolees (and him in particular) about his read on Schroomish?

44 is also reaching.

VOTE: Fontisan

[My Milked Eek]

Insanity, what's your opinion on wolfy?

[insanity018]

I would lean town.

How much more were you expecting from a wagon analysis made on Page 1?

[HighShroomish]

Font, Wolfy is actually probably correct about having at least one scum on this wagon. (Before we blow up the thread segueing over this lets agree to disagree, as it's perfectly logical to think both.)
And you are getting a metric shiton of assumptions out of page 1/2. How much scum hunting do you think is going to happen in a page and a half? You're not scum hunting right now. You've plopped down on Wolfy because he was being sarcastic(should've been obvious), because of so-called "false assumptions," because he's not scum-hunting(again... This was on page 2, and even on page three you won't see very much scum-hunting yet.), and because of a blatant misrep on your part.
Now, let's compare that to you.
You have
-made false assumptions
-misrepped Wolfy
-not scum-hunted
Before you spew stuff about how you unvoted Wolfy and how you're asking other people their reads on me, you told us to imagine your vote was on Wolfy, and asking people their read on me isn't scum hunting.

[My Milked Eek]

I would lean town.

How much more were you expecting from a wagon analysis made on Page 1?

Just making sure I don't overassume.

[My Milked Eek]

Hey, Shroomish, what is this misrep you're talking about?

[fontisian]

Why is Desperado either town or scum with Wolfy?

He was the fourth, provocative slot on an RVS wagon. That's only likely to come from 1.town, 2. an experienced, cocky and gambity scum or 3.a nervous scum bussing a scummate. His subsequent response to me was carefree enough that the 3rd option probably isn't the case.

Why are you obsessed with asking phokdapolees (and him in particular) about his read on Schroomish?

I prefer to nip the not answer questions bullshit at the bud.

How is post 44 reaching?

Font, Wolfy is actually probably correct about having at least one scum on this wagon. (Before we blow up the thread segueing over this lets agree to disagree, as it's perfectly logical to think both.)

I'm open to discussion on a lot of things, but in this case you are simply wrong. In ever game I have been in with a very fast RVS wagon, the people on the end of the wagon have been town. Always. I believe this is because the people on the end do not care about how they are perceived.

And seriously? Of course I knew Wolfy was being sarcastic. That doesn't change the fact that he tried to say that either 1.Someone who voted for him is scum or 2.He scumslipped in his first post. It's an incredibly blatant strawman.

It's interesting that you attack me for not scumhunting while defending Wolfy's lack of scumhunting.

[HighShroomish]

I was pointing out your hypocrisy, font.

@Eek font said Wolfy cleared the first two people on his wagon, when Wolfy just said that those two votes were probably just random.

[My Milked Eek]

"Blatant" misrep? lol

If Wolfy says there has to be scum in 4 people on his wagon and he then says that it can't be the first two. How are those two not being cleared by wolfy?

[fontisian]

Eek, you shouldn't Garcia like that, but I love you for doing it anyway.