Mini 417: Dueling Gods Mafia Over

[Sage]

I have limited internet access...just moved into a new apartment and I don't have internet there.

But...I can make it somewhere that does once a day. So no need to replace me.

It's good to see a replacment who plays, sweeny. You make me feel warm and fuzzy inside!

I'd support a replacement for Squirrels.

Other than that, I don't have a lot to say. I still think Nocmen is scummy scum scum. But if we can't lynch him, I'd be open to someone else...the problem with that is that I'm not sure who else I'd be happy lynching, so that means we've got a ways ahead of us.

Vote Count As of post 338

Utnut (3) - Elias, Nocmen, Sweeny
Nocmen (2) - Sage, Utnut
Kison (1) - Squirrels
Not voting (2) - The rest of you

Five to lynch!

[Sweenytodd]

So Sage, not sure I totally understand where you're coming from... You think that Nocmen is lying aboutbeing a cop even though no one has come out to challenge him?

I still think Nocmen is scummy scum scum. But if we can't lynch him, I'd be open to someone else...

Now I don't think he is the LEAST scumy but I am not confident to lynch an un-countered cop at this point....

[Sage]

This was the perfect time for scum to come out and claim cop. I explained it all very thoroughly before you came around, Sweeny...if the real cop claims, the town loses. Just like that. So it's a no-risk thing for scum to claim cop.

Therefore, I don't give his claim any merit, nor should any of you. The reason a cop-claim is so valuable usually is that the real cop can (and often should) counterclaim, so the lack of a counterclaim is proof. Here, there can be no counterclaim, under any circumstances...so the claim itself isn't that valuable.

Also, try and realize that if Nocmen actually was the cop, the town would already have lost. You need at least two townies to lynch, and if one our two were to die, it'd be game over.

So we lynch Nocmen and he's scum, we get a scum. If we lynch Nocmen and he's town...it won't matter, because the town would have been dead anyways.

[Sage]

Hm...I was afraid that, not having had internet access for more than three days, I would come back and have a ton to catch up on.

Are you guys all dead? If you don't agree with me about Nocmen, fine...but then SOMEBODY present a case against ANYBODY so that we can get on with this. Our job isn't to decide who

not

to lynch, unless we've decided to just eliminate people from the list until there's only one left, and then lynch them.

I hear people claiming that GSU is scummy, and mentioning him as a lynch. Explain.

[Kison]

Sage, you are assuming that there are 3 scum per group. That's the problem with your theory. While it may very well be the case, I'm not wanting to bank on

that

to legitimate a Nocmen lynch. I can see other reasons, which I stated previously, why I'd be in favor for it, but in all honesty, it

can

wait a day.

If requiring an alternative, I think I pointed out some of the scummy things Great Sir Utnut has said. Go and take a look.

[Sage]

That's because a 3 scum scenario is the one that makes the most sense. We either have one of two setups here:

3 club mafia, and three club power roles
+
3 spade mafia, and three spade power roles.

OR, alternatively,

2 club mafia, 3 club power roles
+
2 spade mafia, 3 spade power roles
+
2 vanilla townie.

We know that there are three power roles, because spades had a cop, a roleblocker, and a doctor. I assume it's balanced for clubs.

I'm convinced it's the first scenario. The second scenario would mean 6 power roles + 2 townies against 4 scum, which isn't the most balanced...and I haven't seen any dead vanillas, nor any claimed vanillas. If there's a vanilla out there, speak up! Otherwise, I'm going to assume we have scumgroups of 3.

[Kison]

Keyword : Assuming

[Nocmen]

Kison: Why do you keep pushing against people who belive this may be 3 scum most likely, when iirc you were the one who first believed there were 3 scum on each side? To me, the way you keep going against me before (and now sage) who say that there is most likely three scum per group, seems as if you are either:

A. Vanilla and don't want to claim yet
B. Scum

[Kison]

Kison: Why do you keep pushing against people who belive this may be 3 scum most likely, when iirc you were the one who first believed there were 3 scum on each side?

Key phrase : Most likely

There's a huge difference between using one thing as a guideline and using it to risk the entire game. Sage is doing the latter, while I did the former. Yes, I , too, believe there are likely 2 groups of 3, but I don't

know

that, and I'm not going to base my vote on that.

To me, the way you keep going against me before (and now sage) who say that there is most likely three scum per group, seems as if you are either:

No, I went after you because of how you presented your "knowledge" of who was who. You made it sound like you were dead certain, although you say you were simply speculating. Again, a big difference.

[Elias_the_thief]

Those are actually pretty good points. Its true he wasnt risking the game on it. But I dont think that you should be attacking people for taking your own guesses a step further.

[Kison]

Those are actually pretty good points. Its true he wasnt risking the game on it. But I dont think that you should be attacking people for taking your own guesses a step further.

I'm not attacking him. I'm telling him how it's not a good idea.

[Nocmen]

Well, discussion here sure is slow. Kison mentioned that he would like to see GSU go, so why not start a vote to get the ball rolling again.

Unvote, Vote:GSU

[Sweenytodd]

I agree totally Nocmen, GSU said he would post last Wednesday which he did not... He has not contributed much to this game so far...

Vote: GSU

at least until I hear something from him...

@ Sage: I do not see what the benefit of lynching Nocmen this round is... We can discuss him tomorrow if he is still alive but I WILL NOT lynch a non-counterclaimed cop... Being 50% sure he is either a cop or scum is not reason for me to lynch... I want to lynch scum this round, end of story...

[PlaysWithSquirrels]

I'm here. A replacement is not necessary. School hit me real hard.

[PlaysWithSquirrels]

I don't know why there is even talk of lynching Nocmen. He's an uncounterclaimed cop. He's town. End of story.

Utnet needs to say something. He hasn't said anything of value all game. Get in here, plz.

Vote: GSU

[Great Sir Utnut]

Ok. Here it is. The big moment.
I'm counter-claiming.
Doc. Please protect me.
Spades mafia, you have no reason to kill me. I will help you.

Night one:
I investigated OMG, but was roleblocked.

Night two:
I investigated squirrels. I found him to be guilty, but haven't pushed for his lynch because I want nocmen dead. He's just being a nuisance.

Who do you think is more scummy? Me or nocmen? Just ponder that, and I encourage you to vote for the real mafia, nocmen.

It may be suicide for the town, but right now maybe-suicide is our best chance.

[Great Sir Utnut]

Here is the post where nocmen claimed.

Spades mafia is Kison, Great Sir Utnut, and Sage. Clubs is Elias, SPAG, and VideoGuy.

Im the clubs cop. You didnt want me to claim, but guess what, I did.

How do you know who spades is and who clubs is? The best you can do without investigating is guess who's mafia and who isn't, not who's on which team.

And sorry for the double post.

[Kison]

Vote : GSU

Liar.

[Elias_the_thief]

I think thats a lynch. wheres our mod?

[livingod]

Aaand that's a lynch!

Guess who died? That's right, your last cop! I guess it's not always safe to yell "liar!"

GSU, Clubs Cop,

has been lynched.

NIGHT!!

[livingod]

Meme was cleaning up, so *bump*

[livingod]

Oh, finally a most gruesome night. In fact, we have our first scum deaths of the game!

Kison, Ace of Spades, Godfather

has been clubbed to death, while

Squirrels, King of Clubs, Goon

has been spaded.

Day 4, with five alive, it's just three to lynch!!

[Great Sir Utnut]

Told you!
And I would say something, but do to the fact that this is just a "BRAINSSSSSSSSsssssssss" post, I can't.
And by the way, you just screwed the town.

[Sweenytodd]

Sweet... It is day again! It's very good to see the red lettering in the names, though I'm a bit sad that someone killed off Squirrels, who was investigated by the cop... Ah well, we have a confirmed liar in Nocmen and that works for me ....

Vote: Nocmen

[Sage]

Bleh. Thanks, GSU

I have consistent internet access now. Can't say I'll post a ton, though.

I'm the last townie. Deuce of clubs, Doctor.

Night 1 I protected OMG. Night 2 I protected Elias. Night 3 I protected Sweenytodd.

So unless there's any chance of the mafia killing each other off on the same night *crosses fingers*, this is me conceding defeat on behalf of the town. Good job, scum...whichever wins.

Vote: Nocmen