Logictus wrote:I dont really see how figuring out exactly what that role did really changes what we need to do now
To know how many scum we have alive or dead in case we hit a lylo situation? Or for future plans and ow we should hold votes and such? It's extremely important to discuss what that role could have done, one that we probably should have had a little bit yesterday perhaps.
When I get time I think I may do a skimmy reread so I can fit in with the deadlines with this game and such.
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[i]"Awesome Proton Pack, Flay!"[/i] - [size=75][b]Petroleumjelly[/b][/size]
[i]"It would be suicide for scum to go after Mert"[/i] - [size=75][b]Dral[/b][/size]
Panzer, at the end of day 1 you said if LL turned up scum, then I was the play for today. Then out of nowhere you go and vote for mariyta. Why the change of though all of a sudden?
I'm getting the impression he just doesn't like me.
I'm tempted to vote Panzer (not because he voted me, but because he's seem shady up to this point), but I'm going to refrain until I get home and... wait for it.... wait for it.... ACTUALLY RE-READ A GAME!! OMG! Hell hath frozen over! Le gasp!
Anyway, yeah, I'll do that when I get back this afternoon.
Millions long for immortality who don't know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon.
-Susan Ertz
Whoever thinks grammar is not important, think again. Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.
Or: "Indeed, I should have remembered which townie I was voting for... I get so confused, with there being so many of them."
Still happy with where my vote is...
[i]"Awesome Proton Pack, Flay!"[/i] - [size=75][b]Petroleumjelly[/b][/size]
[i]"It would be suicide for scum to go after Mert"[/i] - [size=75][b]Dral[/b][/size]
Scot wrote:Panzer, at the end of day 1 you said if LL turned up scum, then I was the play for today. Then out of nowhere you go and vote for mariyta. Why the change of though all of a sudden?
This sounds like scum hopping of a buddy before letting him get lynched...
Vote:Panzer
Untrod Tripod (7:27:18 PM): you enjoy whoring
xcaykex (7:27:24 PM): yes
xcaykex (7:27:26 PM): i know that
while I contemplate the meaning of Panzer's self-vote. If I find the action to be indicative of anything suspicious then I will get back on, but I want to not have him at L-1 while I do so...
[i]"Awesome Proton Pack, Flay!"[/i] - [size=75][b]Petroleumjelly[/b][/size]
[i]"It would be suicide for scum to go after Mert"[/i] - [size=75][b]Dral[/b][/size]
Interesting turn of events... *still hasn't done a re-read*
Millions long for immortality who don't know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon.
-Susan Ertz
Whoever thinks grammar is not important, think again. Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.
Alright, I'm claiming now because it'll help everyone understand. I am a MArtyr meaning I can protect someone from a nightkill, if they were actually targetted I die instead. So, I don't have anyone chalked up as town right now so I've been protecting myself - yes it's allowed - so since i figured I'd eventually die I'd move the game forward and lend the information of Mert is dirty scum to the town.
Panzerjager wrote:so since i figured I'd eventually die I'd move the game forward and lend the information of Mert is dirty scum to the town.
Sorry, how does your claim relate to you knowing my alignment? Or is this just something you're putting out there as your opinion?
[i]"Awesome Proton Pack, Flay!"[/i] - [size=75][b]Petroleumjelly[/b][/size]
[i]"It would be suicide for scum to go after Mert"[/i] - [size=75][b]Dral[/b][/size]
wish I was at the beach in the sunshine - this crappy weather here is starting to bug me. [/off-topic]
[i]"Awesome Proton Pack, Flay!"[/i] - [size=75][b]Petroleumjelly[/b][/size]
[i]"It would be suicide for scum to go after Mert"[/i] - [size=75][b]Dral[/b][/size]
So first it was logicticus, then it was scotmany, then it was Mariyta, then it was scot again, and now it's Mert? All of them based on pretty crappy logic, 'cept maybe logicticus. How does your role work? You can sacrifice yourself for a targeted player at night, if you are targeting that player as well? So how can you use that for yourself? You sacrifice yourself to save... yourself? That doesn't even make sense.
Still very comfortable with voting Panzer. He used a self vote, putting himself at L-1 to buy enough time to come up with a claim he thought we'd believe. I'd be more inclined to believe the claim if it had come before any self-voting theatrics. Then in his claim he deflects again to another player with an appeal to emotion... "since i figured I'd eventually die I'd move the game forward and lend the information of Mert is dirty scum to the town". Don't like the claim, don't like how he deflected onto Mert with no logic, don't like that he did it in such a way as to make it seem he
knew
Mert was scum (even though he later fessed up to it not being part of his role).
Yes, I can target myself but I don't save myself I simply die. Because you HAVE to send in a night action or I'd be sending in no action. I orginally didn't send one it but he said I had to send one in even if that choice was myself. So if one is target by a kill i can sacrifice myself to save them. If it happens to me I figure I stick my hands in the way to try and deflect the bullet but still die.
1.I think I misunderstood that statement, but this is an even better reason than I thought.
Panzer saying that clearly means he wasn't really convinced of what he was saying, and just threw it out there. So he comes back, and just makes a vote, which he obviously didn't follow through with that much since he hopped off pretty quick.
2.I'm saying this is a scum claim. Ok, we know we have at least two scum groups, right? Theres a possiblity that Panzer is an SK, part of that scum group, or a survivor. No scum would target him, in hopes that Panzer would target them and protect them.
Essentially, Panzer puts himself at minus one, giving him an excuse to claim.
He claims.
He gets votes off of him.
He's safe at night.
Panzer, WHY do you think Mert is scum? Any logical reasons?
Untrod Tripod (7:27:18 PM): you enjoy whoring
xcaykex (7:27:24 PM): yes
xcaykex (7:27:26 PM): i know that
IH, I am not exactly sure what you are getting at with your point #2. I don't believe the claim as a townie claim at all, especially because of the self vote and the timing of the claim. I don't particularly see it as a useful role, and although I haven't read the other freaktown games, it doesn't really seem to be in keeping with the game theme, IMO. As a scum role it makes even less sense and becomes almost useless. The only thing I can see it being useful for is protecting a mafia godfather from a vig kill or from a second scum group.
In short, I simply don't believe the claim. I think Panzer voted himself hoping to see something like what Mert did (unvoting) happen and to leave enough confusion to give himself time to find a roleclaim that he thought would work but would also be difficult for us to verify. The way that he talks about the mod requiring him to place a protection but allowing him to protect himself (which is, in effect, not placing a protection) doesn't add up for me either.
Also, I just noticed something. Panzer never unvoted Scot, so technically his self-vote didn't count. That makes me think even more that this was a stalling move. Mert, he basically tricked you into taking your vote off. I see that Raj counted it as a vote against himself, but I think Raj just missed the fact that there was no unvote from Panzer.
Mod: Can we get a new vote count and clarification on if Panzer's self vote still holds?
MODEDIT: the vote holds. i missed the fact that he didn't unvote. but the count has been made and there has been some discussion on the fact that he made the vote. so it will stand.
Billy, I'm not saying he is a scum martyr, I'm saying it's a scum fake claim to survive. Nobody but maybe a vig is going to kill a martyr, and then probably not. Why? Because they'll want protection also. All Panzer has to do is to claim to have protected someone who is still alive.
Essentially I don't buy his claim. The timing of it sucks enormously, and his self vote is stupid.
Untrod Tripod (7:27:18 PM): you enjoy whoring
xcaykex (7:27:24 PM): yes
xcaykex (7:27:26 PM): i know that
