NY 173: Knight-Errant 2 - GAME OVER!

[Kublai Khan]

walk me through the zmuffinman read because yesterday you had him as town

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5878560

[Kublai Khan]

Nothing zMuffinMan did was super-townish. He was coasting on a town-read I had on burn_209.

[Marquis]

Ah. I'm not paying that much attention to the setup. I didn't know for sure if there was a cop. I thought it was just bluster.

There was a possibility of a Doctor instead of a Cop.

I don't know whether to take you at face value or not.

[Antihero]

BUT

zmuffinman had both twisted and natihydra as solid town.

yes, he could have lurked and let his scumbuddy do the shooting, but i doubt it.

[jbomber732]

The thing is, for the d1 wagon on guzame's replacement, I don't think we should overlook ANYONE. Because no matter how well it could have been disguised, I think the mafia may have wanted to get on the wagon early, instead of hopping on at the end. (Just an idea, dont take it as a fact) Everyone is looking at my vote on mnemonic suspiciously, but I voted so late because I was confused. As I would go on to ask d2 or d3 (I forget) I asked whether we should keep old reads on a replacement intact, or if we start fresh. Since on d1, I didn't know what I should do, I decided to throw away my large guzame scumread, and give his replacment a fresh start. Now the obvious question here is, "but mnemioc said that line that started a huge wagon on him, isn't that your reason of voting for him?" Well this is like my third game, and how am I supposed to know that its considered scummy to forgive the town for their replacement's actions? So, I took caution before hopping onto the wagon unlike some people who took this as a nice oppurtunity to hop right on. In the end, I learned that it was scummy to say that, and I placed my vote partly because of that reason, but I think my "bigger" reason was my humongous scumread on guzame.

[Titus]

Also, at first I trusted Turkish Van's application of self meta on the idea that scum wouldn't risk doing it. Then I realized that I'm too lazy to check it and on policy don't like it because I still have the feeling Turkish Van is mafia.

The idea that you don't bus that often, and therefore didn't bus now, is one that I don't just like on policy, but that I also don't like because it sounds way too much like a probability fallacy.

I missed this. I use self-meta in response to triggering events all the time. It's null.

[Titus]

Jbomber, quit defending and give us new content please.

[Titus]

While I still think KK is scum, I think the prudent course of action is to limit the lynch to TV or jbomb as the day 1 wagon likely had at least one busser. Discuss.

[Antihero]

but i really want to lynch khan

[Titus]

Me too but is it prudent to do so? I don't want a setup where we have to lynch scum and they are both alive. Do you?

[Antihero]

but then you're betting on khan being SK.

i think he could be either flavor

[Titus]

but then you're betting on khan being SK.

i think he could be either flavor

Not precisely. I see at least one of TV/jbomb being not town.

I see KK as not town.

[zMuffinMan]

Nothing zMuffinMan did was super-townish

that's my #1 town tell, thanks

[Titus]

Zmuffin thoughts on 1882?

[zMuffinMan]

viewtopic.php?p=5878560#p5878560

that was before you called me town, though, so that doesn't actually explain why you think i'm scum now. (plus fucking lol if that's your reason for thinking i'm scum)

yes, he could have lurked and let his scumbuddy do the shooting, but i doubt it.

tbh, i'm surprised you're still alive. it means scum are probably shit at this game. it looks like they were going for cross kills rather than shooting off a conftown player, which is about as dumb as dumb can be imo

I think the prudent course of action is to limit the lynch to TV or jbomb as the day 1 wagon likely had at least one busser. Discuss.

not necessarily but i think there's a decent chance TV is scum anyway and jbomber has been giving me bad vibes of late as well (and i was looking over the end of the last day phase and the whole "pls don't think i'm scummy for voting lemniscate" was pretty awful)

[zMuffinMan]

Zmuffin thoughts on 1882?

it stands out because it's bolded. could have used some different colours and stuff to make it pretty. maybe even a better font.

not sure if this is the kind of feedback you were looking for

[zMuffinMan]

how does godfather work with SK? is it a 1-shot activated investigation immunity?

[zMuffinMan]

Bicephalous Bob (3) - PeregrineV, mnemonicdevice, Katarina LeBlanc

i don't think it's likely kat would group together with scum buddies when mnem was obviously a sinking ship and if godfather is a 1-shot active for SK, i think it's pretty unlikely kat would have chosen N3 specifically to activate it? marquis pretty likely town

[zMuffinMan]

If we were Mafia, there is zero chance I'd have let us bus Day One. No, I don't care if Guzame was running around in a sandwich board claiming to be the scummiest scum who ever scummed. I don't bus, and I don't let my hydra partners bus. And quite frankly, impolite as it might be to say, in this hydra when I'm not off fucking up my personal life, I'm the one approving the votes and such.

If we were the SK, there is zero chance I'd have had us kill PeregrineV Night One. I'd have kept him around forever and ever given past evidence that I can play him as per NY 164. SK-me would consider his presence in the game to be a gift from on high. Not someone to be killed out the gate, sheesh.

lol. this looks so much like the half-assed meta defenses i like to pull when i'm scum

I think we have a Mafia BP left. The only way to pull in a Town Cop and a Town Roleblocker with a Mafia Roleblocker is to start at the upper right corner with the Mafia Roleblocker and make the first knight hop to the Town Cop, the second knight hop to the Mafia BP on the third row, right side, and then the last hop to the Town Roleblocker on the bottom.

see, i almost want to call this a town slip, but it's very clear in the ruleset that this isn't how the setup is determined (it even gives an example) so i don't see how you could have read the rules enough that you know how the setup is determined by moving a knight through the grid but not enough that you thought this was actually how it was determined. this reeks of trying to fake a town-slip

but i'll humour you anyway. have you discussed the setup with your other head? and if so, did neither of you read the rules and/or know how the setup actually works?

[Titus]

Zmuffin, while KK's case was shitty...does it make sense TV would do a wrong setup determination and scrutinize the sk role closely?

[zMuffinMan]

i think TV is trying to look useful without actually doing anything and i think the wrong setup stuff looks contrived (especially bringing it up multiple times, in a, "hey look at how wrong i am about the setup, guys! wouldn't be this wrong if i were scum" feeling sort of way)

[zMuffinMan]

1850 and 1852 look like they're fishing for consensus before comitting to anything

[Marquis]

checking in, no motivation rn

[Marquis]

anti, can we combine a concrete townread list and work outward from there?

my townreads

anti
marquis
titus (weak)

jbomber (very weak because it only existed yesterday)

[Marquis]

also

3 of the 7 players alive are scum.

i'm not saying random lynch, but random lynch.