Mini 416 - AM Mafia - Game Over D:

[CoG888]

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“Death's brother, Sleep." ~ Virgil

PBuG -1- (Panzerjager)
Not voting -7- (Capt_Fantastic, CoG888, Elias_the_thief, Fircoal, Jingolaw, PBug, Thestatusquo)

With 8 alive, it takes

5

to lynch.
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I have never backed up pbug. I only stated my opinion that the events of night one and pbug's motives did not line up in my mind. Panzer pointed out to me that scum wouldn't want their kills to make sense.

[Sefer]

Bah! Go town.

It's the TRUTH! And you guys should replace into his game too as a favor to your mod.

QFT

[Thestatusquo]

CPT just rose on my list of suspicions a little with that last post.

[Cpt_Fantastic]

Why is that TSQ?

[Thestatusquo]

You did the classic: "I have opinions, I promise but I am going to hang back and not do anything until there is more evidence, even though evidence is a nebulous term in mafia that means nothing anyway, and what I actually mean is I am waiting for someone else to post a case so I can latch onto it and not actually have to go out on a limb."

[PJ.]

I know, said you were scum in quote TSQ. I simply suggested that you could be, same as I suggested you are a neutral. There are many roles that don't die the first time, and I weeded most of them out due to this being a normal game. I currently belive that you are a neutral survivor.

Anyway, I like CoG's assement of me, because I view this as one of those logic puzzles where you have people and clues and you X everyone of that the clue can't possibly fit.

Anyway, Cpt I would like "evidence" to why you accused CoG of being scum when I believe he is the most town person. Elias is up there as well. I am growing more and more aware of jingolaw's scummness.

Jingo, I would like you to answer this before you even think about anything else. How am I scum and How am I remotely related to PBuG?

[Jingolaw]

Please.

The first thing that jumps out at me is your desire to direct MG's one shot kill. That really sounds like you wanted another kill for the night: MG's vig, your own kill, and the scum kill.

Or, of course, that with a one-shot vig (who becomes town thereafter) we can get a free shot at scum...if we miss, we at least have a better idea that MG is, in fact, vig (and now town), and therefore stay even. As a vig who claims to save himself, one would have to expect some proof would be demanded by the town, no? I wasn’t asking to personally direct the vig...that WOULD be scummy. What I did was open the possibility of allowing town to benefit both by proof of the one-shot vig’s veracity and also by having the option to nail more scum (or at least put additional pressure on suspected scum).

Next up is you joining the first TSQ bandwagon and hopping off when it was apparent that he wasn't going to be lynched (yet).

My reasons for voting Shea are well documented (despite the crash), as are my reasons for unvoting. I don’t vote because of the possibility of successful lynches; I vote because of the possibility of successfully lynching scum. TSQ looked scummy (as you agreed), so I pounced hard to see his reaction...I think it worked out well. TSQ has a plausible role, and is at least partially confirmed. I think TSQ is town. If I just wanted a lynch, I would have kept my vote on. I’m not sure how jumping

OFF

a wagon makes me look like SK.

Then you vote for pbug, and when I semi-defended him, you claim that I proposed he was the serial killer (in post 307). I never said that. In fact, you have brought up the topic of serial killer in 3 of your posts prior to that, while the only time I ever mentioned it was in post 241 when I was considering different alignments that TSQ might have.

I brought it up because I think I’m right. I think you said the same in a post lost in the crash, but I’ll let that line of reasoning die, as I think it’s too easy to lie about the crash. Fair enough?


But, when you voted for PbuG in post 175, you provided reasons...then, when I agreed, you said this:

Jingolaw: I have a hunch that pbug is not one of our killers. Mostly based on who he was voting and FOSing yesterday, and who turned up dead this morning. Of course I could be wrong... I could be blind to something obvious, but pbug is seeming pro-town to me... aggressive, but town none the less.

Huh. I’m seeing less of a PbuG-Panzer link, and more a PbuG-CoG link.

Jingo, I would like you to answer this before you even think about anything else. How am I scum and How am I remotely related to PbuG?

To be honest, I thought about other things first. You’re getting a pass for now, Panzer, because I honestly think some of the links I saw were lost in the crash. I’m willing to allow you to incriminate yourself anew.

PbuG remains at the top of the list, and solidifies his position more every time he says “I’d go after mafia if I were SK” despite townies dropping left and right. It’s possible PbuG is scum (with CoG and/or Fircoal as partner-defenders), but I still think he’s anti-town either way.

vote: PbuG

[PJ.]

I'm feeling a PBuG-Fircoal scum group. CoGs biggest link is to me so if CoG is buddies it's with me. And let's just put it this way, "I Know I'm Clean." I'll hold my vote on PBuG.

[Elias_the_thief]

Well, I feel that Pbug is scum, for reasons I've stated before. I guess im going to translate my suspicions into a

vote: pbug

. This should bring him to -2, I think.

[CoG888]

Fair enough argument, Jingolaw. I just have one question for you: Are you saying pbug is the serial killer, or are you saying he is either the serial killer OR scum?

A clarification about jumping off the TSQ wagon part one... I think if its clear that someone is not going to be lynched despite many votes, scum/SK will remove their vote and try to find a different bandwagon as soon as possible, so as not to look like they are vote hopping after the first wagon dies off. Doing so does not make someone scum, but I think it does make someone look scummy, when taken in context with other signs.

[CoG888]

EBWOP: Nevermind that question, Jingolaw, you said "...he’s anti-town either way."

[Cpt_Fantastic]

Here is my reasoning for putting Cog on suspicion.

CoGs Wrote:

TSQ: You weren't going to claim, so thats a crap reason to suspect pbug

Sounds to me like you are protecting a buddy. At least that came across that way to me. If you had no interest on PBug then you wouldnt care who thought what about him. And just b/c you're clean Panzer, doesn't mean the company you keep is.

I still carry my vote for PBug. In the past he has rushed a hammer for lynches and the fact that he has not posted much seems to be some what scummy to me.

Vote:PBug

[CoG888]

No, I am still pissed at TSQ and his refusal to claim.
Capt, are you saying that TSQ was going to claim after several times refusing to do so, and misguiding the town into a no-lynch situation by refusing to defend himself?

[Cpt_Fantastic]

CoGs, What I am saying is that the way you wrote your answer there seemed to me that you had a tie with PBug. I realize that TSQ halfed claimed ( kinda ) and that made it hard for the town to know if he was on their side. I his defense though he did state what role he had and it was of truth. I just wanna know What you meant by the quote I posted. explain. I maybe missing the point.

[CoG888]

TSQ's reason for suspecting pbug is that he quickly hammered and did not allow TSQ a chance to fully claim.

PBuGs hammer seemed like he was rushing to avoid my actual claiming

That's BS because TSQ was not going to fully claim. He said exactly that.

I'm not claiming to this rubbish...

So TSQ says he won't claim, pbug hammers, then TSQ whines that pbug didn't give him a chance to claim. Replace pbug's name with anyone's name, and I would still be pissed about what TSQ did.

[Thestatusquo]

I am not saying that town would never hammer in that situation. I am saying that in that situation a pro town player would at least think about it, and not just hammer the first chance they get.

[CoG888]

True. I am only trying to discount your connection between pbug and a full claim, because you were not going to full claim until after the non-lynch. pbug's quick hammer is a different issue entirely, and honestly, I don't know how I feel about it. So far, the three people who have commented on it all agree that it was suspicious. If pbug comes up town, those reactions could be giving something away.

[Thestatusquo]

I like how cog is playing with his head.

[Thestatusquo]

I meant to add that it strikes me as very pro town.

[Elias_the_thief]

When it was first posted, I felt that it was scum bussing his buddy. But now that TSQ appears to be protown, Im not sure how I feel about it. In my opinion, it was much too quick and thoughtless, regardless of TSQ's alignment.

[PJ.]

Haha, PBuG is scumbuddies with him, you either just hammahed to clear your name cause he is scum with you or you just hammahed a townie to say see we're not scumbuddies. Either way your scum.

I'm still following this line of thought on PBuG.

[Skruffs]

*_*_*_* Vote Count - 6:17:50 AM *_*_*_*

“Consciousness: that annoying time between naps." ~ Unknown

PBuG -4- (Panzerjager, Jingolaw, Elias_The_Thief, Capt_Fantastic)

Not voting -3- ( CoG888, Fircoal, Thestatusquo, PBuG)

With 8 alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

PBuG and Fircoal, who have not posted since at least Tuesday, have been prodded.
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[TBuG]

Sorry, didn't realize this was open again. Looks like I need to claim...

I didn't believe MG's claim on Day 1 because I am the Home Phone. I suppose I should have put more thought into my disbelief because of the distinction, but I didn't. Because I'm old and outdated, I'm fairly useless, and thus, have no ability. I realize I'll probably be lynched, but that's what happens when scummy people claim townie.

I currently suspect:

Vote: Panzer

for obvious reasons.
Cpt because of his lack of reading skills.
Jingolaw, pretty much OMGUS.

[CoG888]

Before anyone hammers, lets discuss this. We had two quick hammers in this game that got us to where we are now. Last thing we need is another dead townie. In fact, there are likely only 4 townies left.

I, for one, believe the claim. Pbug's play style and embarrassment at the beginning of day two seem consistent with this role.

[Jingolaw]

PbuG has yet to address the logically flawed argument about who he would nightkill as SK. I realize that I keep bringing it up, but PbuG does, in fact, refer to himself in the same tense and mood as the SK in many posts. This could be an attempt to look less scummy by appearing more SK, but again, at this point, the SK is just as anti-town as the scum. And CoG's repeated defenses of PBuG scare me.

I'm fairly useless, and thus, have no ability.

This is almost certainly a lie. Everyone, please examine your roles. Do you see Skruffs as the sort of mod who would give out a vanilla townie role in this game? No ability at all, PbuG? You dig your own grave deeper and deeper with every post, PbuG.

...but that's what happens when scummy people claim townie.

Yup. Pretty much.

Let’s get PbuG out of the way for now, because he’s anti-town. If he turns up scum, we can look back for better links (difficult, I know, because of the crash), and if he turns up SK we’ll have less to go on, but also less to worry about.