Mafia 60: Face-to-Face - Game over!

[Nightfall]

@ Glork

~My concern is that how hard he is pushing for a Thesp lynch even with a believed innocent investigation. Right away he goes for the godfather card, barely giving the thought that he could have been wrong a chance to settle.
~How he acted during the CDB lynch also doesn't sit extremely well with me. He helped to lynch scum but he seemed to want to understate the chances that we could have been lynching a power role.
~Since he was holding off for the hammer it does leave me with a little worried that he might have been trying to give his scum buddy every chance to safe himself before he was hammared.
~As for metegaming, I'm not certain, but I think when CES is protown, even when he is being snarky about it, he is a little bit more willing to discuss things and the possibility that others may be right.

~And since I posted the above, CES has also expressed that he will care very little what my thoughts are, even if I am telling the truth and am revealed as town through death.

@ Ether

I'd still be happiest killing Nightfall, as his recent posts have been purely emotional appeals:

Why don't you perform your "killing"s at night with the rest of your scum buddies.

[Mgm]

Ah nice one. Looks like a Freudian slip to me. Anyway, there is one thing Ether and I agree on. I don't see why we should wait to lynch someone until after Zindy gets modkilled. I doubt the mafia would let a scumbuddy die and I doubt the mod would leave the last mafia out on his own.

If we want to find scum we need to take control of today's lynch ourselves.

[Mr Stoofer]

Vote Count

Nightfall: 3 (Ether Glork CES )
Cogito Ergo Sum: 2 (Nightfall Thesp)
Zindaras: 2 (MBL Patrick)
Ether: 1 (Mgm)

Not voting: Zindaras

Looking for

5

votes for a lynch!

Deadline:

Monday 21st May 5pm BST!

[Patrick]

Ah nice one. Looks like a Freudian slip to me.

Is this a joke or something? If so then lol.

I don't see why we should wait to lynch someone until after Zindy gets modkilled. I doubt the mafia would let a scumbuddy die and I doubt the mod would leave the last mafia out on his own.

So you're saying that Zindaras is probably town because of the modkill threat? This seems like a terrible way to judge people's alignments. And what do you mean by saying you'd doubt the mafia would let a scumbuddy die like that? If Zindaras is mafia, his scumbuddy doesn't have control over whether he goes inactive or not.

[Mgm]

Look at Nightfall's last line. Not a joke. I'm serious.

Mafia don't have control over the activity of their buddies, but they might have some control over the mod and be able to convince them to replace rather than modkill. Also, Stoofer wouldn't break his own game. Modkilling the second last scum would give the town a significant game-breaking advantage. Even if he's scum and not town, sitting idly by is not an option. We can't trust the mod to kill the scum for us, so we should still make a choice of our own on which we can let loose game analysis.

[Patrick]

I think it's pretty clear what Ether meant there so I don't see how it's freudian slip. As for the second part, I don't sit by idly and hope that scum get modkilled. I've made a choice, and I don't think that trying to outguess the mod in the way you've described is particularly helpful.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

That considered, CES appeared to have promoted me since the Move--I was previously on his "maybe" list with only two other non-Nightfall people. 'Something happen?

I don't remember (and I can't find) saying anything that would suggest that. You're still on my Maybe List along with MBL and Patrick. (Although you're probably the towniest of these three.)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Also, Mgm, Mr Stoofer has set forth a clear policy regarding replacing and modkills. As such, his decision can give us no information.

[Mgm]

As for the second part, I don't sit by idly and hope that scum get modkilled.

But there are people who are okay with lynching Zindaras or using that modkill as a lynch. I don't that's a good idea regardless of what I think the mod would do.

[Glork]

I'd still rather be lynching MBL and Nightfall. I refuse to switch to Zindaras at this point. I'm also

still

waiting for MBL to restate his case against Zindaras.

[MrBuddyLee]

I'm waiting for you to state your case against Zindaras, Mr. Sheepy McSheeperson. I've been the one doing the legwork lately and you've been the one hopping on wagons.

Mush.

[Glork]

The hell, MBL? I dropped my case against Zindie long ago, and I've got my sights set

squarely

on you and Nightfall. I think that I've made this

abundantly clear

by now.

I will also point out that you never bothered to go back and look for any of the "posts which no scum could possibly make" that you said you would try to do.

Unvote, Vote: MBL

Your aversions to my inquiries end here and now. Answer to me or I will do nothing but call for your lynch until one of us is dead. You're scum and I know it and the fact that you're getting away with doing

nothing

is really starting to piss me off.



Patrick, Thesp, Ether, CES -- take a long, hard look at MBL's posts. I want you to speak up and tell me what

you

think of him. Because I feel like with all the shit MBL is spewing, he's just being completely overlooked. Look at his behavior towards CDB. Look at his interactions with Nightfall and with other living players. Look at his "case" against Zindaras. And for the love of God, if you think he's still pro-town after all of that, please explain it to me.

[Glork]

Come to think of it, your post doesn't even make

ANY

sense at this point, considering I had just said that I would REFUSE to move to Zindaras. I don't

HAVE

a case against Zindaras. In fact, I'm practically

DEFENDING

him, because I feel tha this absence is being taken advantage of by somebody (namely you, MBL) who wants to stall the day and result in a Zindaras-lynch or a No-Lynch+ZindieModkill.

I also want you to tell me, MBL, who you'll be looking at if Zindaras is today's only death and he turns out to be

pro-town

. What happens if you're wrong?


So... just to repeat myself and make things completely, 100% clear, I want you to answer three things to me immediately:
1) What posts did people make that you think "no scum could make"?
2) Why do you think that Zindaras is a scumbag and that he should be lynched?
3) Where would your suspicions lie if Zindaras were lynched today as a pro-town player?

I'm sick of this "you're not looking, so I'm not going to tell you" attitude. After the shit you pulled with CDB -- claiming you saw something "naughty" in his posting and telling people to go look for it, and then backtracking to say that you were bluffing all along -- I'm not going to accept any of this "go look for it yourself" attitude. I want you to answer me clearly, directly, and concisely.

[Glork]

You know what, <<EXPLETIVE DELETED>> it, I'm just going to keep on going with this. I also know

for a fact

that Zindaras' activity across the board has practically disappeared in the past month. I've known him since we were on MafiaScum, and I know that he's got Real-Life issues that are preventing him from participating. The fact that he kept trying to come back and run analyses is something that I now see as a distinct

pro-town

sign, rather than a scumtell. It says that he was trying to contribute even when he knew he couldn't keep up. This "way Zindaras keeps floating in and out" bullshit that MBL was spewing when he said Zindie was 40% likely to be scum (yes, I just went back and glanced at MBL's earlier posts) comes from nothing. It comes from the fact that MBL is taking advantage of the fact that Zindaras

wanted

to be here, but

isn't

.

Perhaps by now he's just given up. I don't know. I'd like him to come in and, if nothing else, answer that for us. But I no longer for a second believe that he is scum, and I will not stand for us to sit back doing nothing while he gets lynched or modkilled. Zindaras' absence is

NOTHING

like Nightson's absence in the late portions of Space Monkey Mafia. He isn't scum. I don't know how many more times I can say that.

[Glork]

EBWOP: *since before we were on MafiaScum

[Patrick]

Well, I agree the last post by MBL doesn't make sense since as far as I can tell he's the one who sheeped onto Zindaras and you've been defending Zindaras recently. I'll isolate and read all his posts sometime this evening when I have more time.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I can't read MBL.

I've tried it in the past and it's never helped.

Glrok, I'm fairly sure you're town. You don't mind if I just blindly follow you on this one, do you? How sure are you?

[Glork]

Heh. Strange response, CES.

Let's just say that if I were a vig, I'd be killing MBL overnight. I'll either be like 95% confident or back down to 50% confident after he responds. But for now, I think he is definitely the play of the day. I think that MBL has a lot to answer for.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Then I'll wait for his response. I still like a Nightfall-lynch.

What exactly is strange about my responses? I'm well aware of what I can and what I can't do. (Reading you and MBL respectively.) And you do possess scumhunting skills.

[Mr Stoofer]

Zindaras has been modkilled!

He simply got up and walked away from the table. So here is his card:

It's still Day 4: with 8 alive it will still take 5 to lynch!

Deadline:

Monday 21st May 5pm BST!

[Glork]

Well yes, but I have been known to be over-accusatory towards MBL before, so I'm trying to take into account the fact that his playstyle is just off-putting to me.

I also see Nightfall as my other top lynch candidate, but we can't seem to get more than two people to vote for him. I want one of them lynched today, and I won't move my vote elsewhere.

[Glork]

Well then.


Please kill MBL immediately.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I knew the modkill was unavoidable. Still too bad. Looks like I was right about him.

[Patrick]

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[Glork]

...at least I'll very, very likely get an answer to my Question #3.... I still want MBL to answer both Questions 1 and 2 -- yes, even the one about him outlining his case against Zindaras.