Kingmaker II-Game Over

[Lowell]

Mnowax has come back to life as a zombie. He replaces Battle Mage.

Let's kill mnowax again!

I'd be down with that.

I'll be honest. I have no reasons. I just think it would be funny as hell.

[RafK]

You were just assuming that SV was scum because you thought you saw a connection between her and me, and you were assuming I was scum because you were assuming she was scum. Circular argument.

Now you're blatantly misrepresenting. I was against SV before I was against you, and my arguments against SV (and the arguments of others against SV, such as petroleumjelly's) have nothing at all to do with you. But your attempt to claim the arguments against SV are nothing is noted.

[Thesp]

I am through page 33 so far in my read-through. I will try to finish tonight.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Go Thesp, Go!

[spectrumvoid]

I am not free to play in large games at the moment due to some personal issues. I'll participate when I can.

[Fritzler]

Vote MoS

I was quite suprized when i replaced battle mage what my role is now. I am still favoring a Master execution for the reasons that i have stated before. I am so far getting pro town vibes from Petrol-jelly

How did we go from:

Yosarian's
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 511#544511
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 820#548820

in which mnowax wasn't on the shortlist or the final List of Execution, to mnowax not only joining the list but becoming Yos' main target?

My feeling on mnowax remains as it was: I don't have a strong read on him, either way, but the way this day has turned around and zero'd on him makes me feel that he's being set up as a "safe" kill... there's not going to be much information from mnowax because not many people (if any) have taken really strong stands about him, but at the same time he hasn't done anything especially townie that makes him look like an insupportable choice.

I am particularly amazed after all that has happened that Yosarian hasn't put his money where his mouth is and put Phoebus' replacement front and center for the lynch. Perhaps he's not interested in proving himself wrong?


I point this stuff out, of course, because I think we're watching a scum King at work and I would like to make sure his tactics are not missed.

I agree with Rafk here i believe that i was being set up for a kill here. I dont believe that Yos was in on it, but i do believe that a lot of the people who were Trying to take me down were scum. The following votes were placed on me:

Fritzler
Shamba
Thadmiral
Thesp
Toaster Strudel
and our King, Zinderas

More to come.

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[Mastermind of Sin]

Sadly enough, I agree with Fritz-scum's above post.

[Toaster Strudel]

Sorry to sound so dense, so dense as to be easily mistaken for a black hole, but what does Fritz's post mean? I am afraid I do not speak Fritzlish.

[Zindaras]

Interesting king choice, especially since Skruffs' predecessor was just about to pressure Zindie before he disappeared and had to be replaced...

Pfft. The reasoning for his choice is obvious.

Zindie, please kill the new mnowax.

Why?

I'm sure people will be happy to know that I already have an LoE, I already have a reasonable idea of who I'm going to execute, and that I'm going to try to devote what little time I have to this game.

[mnowax]

my god please don't kill me again King! lol

[Thesp]

I thought this was worth quoting:

Phoebus is very much a gut player, who doesn't really care how others want him to post. If he thinks someone is scummy, he'll point it out. I think that exactly because the players he voted on gut initially were exactly the people on the major bandwagons, it should be clear that it was sincere. Scum would be more cautious.

(I know that's WIFOMish, but, well, WIFOM rocks.)

This isn't WIFOM, it's WIFO

H

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Anyway, I'm done with my read, and it astounds me that more people aren't taking Mastermind of Sin to task for being Most Likely to Be Scum. In my notes, I have almost twice as many 'X's by his name as any other player, including and not limited to numerous actual use of WIFOM, several terrible arguments, and interaction between him and Pooky.

Vote: Mastermind of Sin.

He should be the lynchee for the day by a mile.

I'm also highly suspect of spectrumvoid and Der Hammer. (Der Hammer especially fits the mold as a MoS scumbuddy.) I'm not super comfortable with ThAdmiral either, but I don't see him as scum with MoS. (The exact same goes with Yosarian2.)

Vote: spectrumvoid. Vote: Der Hammer. FOS: ThAdmiral, Yosarian2.

[mnowax]

Finally someone who sees what i do!

[Mastermind of Sin]

Actually, mnowax, I think everyone sees it, they've just realized that I'm acting scummy as a result of my pre-planned playstyle this game .

Thok, if possible, could you list out a bit of an explanation of why you think I'm scum? I'd like a chance to respond to it. As you can see, I've been attacked many times in the past, and to date, I've responded adequately to every reason brought against me. Had I not, I would not be living right now, so if there's anything you don't think has been covered yet, feel free to bring it up.

[petroleumjelly]

Hmm. "Thok" should be "Thesp", MoS - and I agree that I would like to see exactly where all those X's came from. If he has notes (inferred, but not definitely so), he shouldn't have much trouble relocating what he found scummy.

However, this:

As you can see, I've been attacked many times in the past, and to date, I've responded adequately to every reason brought against me.

Had I not, I would not be living right now

, so if there's anything you don't think has been covered yet, feel free to bring it up.

Doesn't follow. All it means is that none of the Kings we've had so far has executed you. Otherwise everybody could claim "I must have responded adequately to everything brought against me, because I haven't been executed".

[Toaster Strudel]

This latest missive from MoS is uber-weird. PRE-PLANNED PLAYSTYLE???

Gimme a break.

vote: MoS

[spectrumvoid]

If there's anything specific directed to me, go ahead, I'll answer. I need time to do a read of certain people in isolation, however.

[Mastermind of Sin]

This latest missive from MoS is uber-weird. PRE-PLANNED PLAYSTYLE???

Gimme a break.

vote: MoS

And now begins my masterful plan of finally playing through an entire game without voting. Unless I become king, lol.

GG retention skills...

[Mastermind of Sin]

Hmm. "Thok" should be "Thesp", MoS - and I agree that I would like to see exactly where all those X's came from. If he has notes (inferred, but not definitely so), he shouldn't have much trouble relocating what he found scummy.

However, this:

As you can see, I've been attacked many times in the past, and to date, I've responded adequately to every reason brought against me.

Had I not, I would not be living right now

, so if there's anything you don't think has been covered yet, feel free to bring it up.

Doesn't follow. All it means is that none of the Kings we've had so far has executed you. Otherwise everybody could claim "I must have responded adequately to everything brought against me, because I haven't been executed".

That was me being somewhat overdramatic. *shrug* Even so, I've been attacked pretty hard by a lot of people

and

been on one if not more LoE's, so my point still stands, if not to the severity of degree that I previously stated.

[Zindaras]

Anyway, I'm done with my read, and it astounds me that more people aren't taking Mastermind of Sin to task for being Most Likely to Be Scum. In my notes, I have almost twice as many 'X's by his name as any other player, including and not limited to numerous actual use of WIFOM, several terrible arguments, and interaction between him and Pooky.

Vote: Mastermind of Sin.

He should be the lynchee for the day by a mile.

Could you quote/refer to the Pooky interactions?

[Mastermind of Sin]

I support either a Yos or Pooky execution, good finds, Glork. I'd still prefer Yos, though.

This is the only post I could find that mentioned Pooky before he was executed. Just so you know.

[Yosarian2]

Any specific reason why you're "not super comfertable" with me, thesp?

[ThAdmiral]

@mnowax vote again: I'm not against it, but maybe we should give him a day off.

@MoS suspicion: When I was reading through I didn't see him as amazingly scummy as you did Thesp, but I'd be willing to listen to your points because you seem pretty positive.

@Zindaras: you mention you have a loe and a reasonable idea of who you're going to kill, but are you going to tell us who?

Vote:...

on second thoughts I'm not ready to do that just yet.

[Yosarian2]

Heh. I don't want mnowax to get a persecution complex here. It's actually rather brave of him to be willing to replace right back in to batllemage's role, knowing the odds of getting lynched again were probably fairly high. That being said, battlemage was near the top of my list of suspicion yesterday, and I don't really think anything mnowax's done today's likely to change that.

[Toaster Strudel]

GG retention skills...

What's GG?

[RafK]

This latest missive from MoS is uber-weird. PRE-PLANNED PLAYSTYLE???

Gimme a break.

vote: MoS

He said from day 1 that he was going to refuse to vote, and that's what got him into trouble from the start. It's not something he just invented.