Open 557: Deck of Stacks [Game Over]


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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Fri May 16, 2014 3:40 pm

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Votecount 2.01
Katengecchi
(1) Burning_Earth

Not Voting
(11) Katengecchi, Desperado, beastcharizard, CrashTextDummie, Finglove, penguin_alien, Paschendale, SeeEmpty, Justin Playfair, talah


With 11 Alive, 6 vote are required to lynch
Deadline: Friday, May 30, 2014, at 10:30 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2014-05-30 22:30:35)
Last edited by Cheery Dog on Sun May 18, 2014 3:33 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Fri May 16, 2014 3:48 pm

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Also, sorry I didn't stop the NL :(
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Fri May 16, 2014 7:39 pm

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VOTE: Katengecchi

Let's see what happens.
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Fri May 16, 2014 10:59 pm

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In post 451, Burning_Earth wrote:Also, sorry I didn't stop the NL :(
Is that a claim, or did I miss something?

Can we stop and think about the night kill for a moment? It seems odd to me. Given there was a reasonable chance we'd lynch tn today, why leave the innocent child alive? It's possible the tracker would track scum, but would we have believed him?
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Fri May 16, 2014 11:05 pm

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Ignore quote, read NL as NK in my slightly hungover state.
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 3:54 am

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That DOES seal it. Scum knows that. They killed TN and not me. To me, the plan looks really obvious. Night kill TN, get Katen quicklynched, and then night kill me. 4 dead townies and not a whole lot of discussion.
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 5:55 am

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In post 453, Finglove wrote:
In post 451, Burning_Earth wrote:Also, sorry I didn't stop the NL :(
Is that a claim, or did I miss something?

Can we stop and think about the night kill for a moment? It seems odd to me. Given there was a reasonable chance we'd lynch tn today, why leave the innocent child alive? It's possible the tracker would track scum, but would we have believed him?
A tracker can actually gain information while the IC can't. Secondly if they did claim to track scum the chances are we would follow what they said and lynch that person. If they lied about their role we would find out when their "track" was wrong thus getting us a guaranteed scum lynch one way or another.

The scum also know the PRs that they picked so lets say they chose none for themselves that leaves town with only two PRs. The IC was announced and then tn claimed tracker. That would be both PRs outed so they would take out the one that was more of an immediate threat. The kill makes sense over all.
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 5:58 am

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In post 456, beastcharizard wrote:The scum also know the PRs that they picked so lets say they chose none for themselves that leaves town with only two PRs.
Remember when everyone said that setup discussion at the beginning of the game was a bunch of irrelevant bullshit?

I'll accept your apologies individually.
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 5:59 am

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In post 455, Paschendale wrote:That DOES seal it. Scum knows that. They killed TN and not me. To me, the plan looks really obvious. Night kill TN, get Katen quicklynched, and then night kill me. 4 dead townies and not a whole lot of discussion.
I agree with this, I'm not interested in entertaining the WIFOM of katen-scum pulling this gambit off, and it means I need to do a hard reset that I do not have time for today or tomorrow.
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 6:30 am

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Or, you know, they killed the competing wagon and had no idea what role TN had.

Desp: If Katen is off the table, who's on it?
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 6:35 am

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In post 459, Paschendale wrote:Or, you know, they killed the competing wagon and had no idea what role TN had.
:neutral:

He claimed yesterday.

And I just told you that I'm going to have to reread, did I not?
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 6:36 am

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In post 449, Burning_Earth wrote:That seals it

Vote Katen
Sneak preview: this guy is probably scum.
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 9:40 am

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In post 457, Desperado wrote:
In post 456, beastcharizard wrote:The scum also know the PRs that they picked so lets say they chose none for themselves that leaves town with only two PRs.
Remember when everyone said that setup discussion at the beginning of the game was a bunch of irrelevant bullshit?

I'll accept your apologies individually.
CORRECT!!

Also, katenscum probs killed tn because HE WAS A POWERFUL PR
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 9:51 am

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Can you name me some non-powerful PRs? I mean they are called POWER roles.

I don't have anything to apologize for so I am assuming you are talking to everyone else Desperado.
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 10:19 am

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In post 461, Desperado wrote:
In post 449, Burning_Earth wrote:That seals it

Vote Katen
Sneak preview: this guy is probably scum.
Sneak preview: this guy is probably town, but wrong.
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 12:03 pm

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Why do you think they are town?
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 1:08 pm

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Gut.

My sucky gut is untrustable, so ignore it as you wish.
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 1:53 pm

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VOTE: Burning_Earth

You are sitting on the fence so much right now.

You can't even give a confident reason to townread someone.
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 2:49 pm

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In post 452, penguin_alien wrote:VOTE: Katengecchi

Let's see what happens.
You're too intelligent to not realise that what will happen with a vote like this, is another day of pointless arguing over whether Katen's scum with or without TN. This is an entirely safe scum-vote peng.

VOTE: penguin_alien

In post 457, Desperado wrote:
In post 456, beastcharizard wrote:The scum also know the PRs that they picked so lets say they chose none for themselves that leaves town with only two PRs.
Remember when everyone said that setup discussion at the beginning of the game was a bunch of irrelevant bullshit?

I'll accept your apologies individually.
Can you point out to me where people were saying it was irrelevant bullshit as opposed to anti-town?

I really don't think it was *helpful* to us -as such- in this game but don't think it was irrelevant because it was a conversation starter.

So I mean, why do you think continuing discussion of setup spec at this stage is helpful?
And what's your read on peng right now and why?


@CTD - you of all people I'd like a readslist from please. That push on TN *after* he claimed tracker was pretty hokey if you don't mind me saying. I would like to know where your thoughts are currently at so if/when they change I can find out why.
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 3:13 pm

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In post 463, beastcharizard wrote:Can you name me some non-powerful PRs?
We'll start with gooncop
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 3:14 pm

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In post 467, beastcharizard wrote:VOTE: Burning_Earth

You are sitting on the fence so much right now.

You can't even give a confident reason to townread someone.
My gut is very confident!
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 3:15 pm

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Talah: Why peng not me?
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 4:47 pm

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In post 466, Burning_Earth wrote:Gut.

My sucky gut is untrustable, so ignore it as you wish.
This post just screams confident! Oh wait it screams the exact opposite.
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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 6:03 pm

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In post 468, talah wrote:You're too intelligent to not realise that what will happen with a vote like this, is another day of pointless arguing over whether Katen's scum with or without TN. This is an entirely safe scum-vote peng.
Hey, look at that, someone defending Katengecchi. Who said I want to spend the day arguing? I'm also just fine with lynching Katengecchi. And why would we argue over whether Katengecchi's scum *with* tn541?
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2014 7:54 pm

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In post 473, penguin_alien wrote:
In post 468, talah wrote:You're too intelligent to not realise that what will happen with a vote like this, is another day of pointless arguing over whether Katen's scum with or without TN. This is an entirely safe scum-vote peng.
Hey, look at that, someone defending Katengecchi. Who said I want to spend the day arguing? I'm also just fine with lynching Katengecchi. And why would we argue over whether Katengecchi's scum *with* tn541?
Don't you think that by vote-parking on Katen right out of the gates you'd just be *inviting* discussion on Katen's alignment with regard to TN's? Or do you have a push/scumread on Katen? You declined to lynch them yesterday. Associatives come into play since we've seen TN's flip.


@Burning - your votes were different. Yours is the only one drawing attention, apparently. I'm interested in the other.

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