Mini 437 - Hacker Mafia - Game Over

[DYH]

Yeah, since our doc got himself modkilled, the pace of the game has slowed rather dramatically. Of course, the fact every other post was his might have something to do with that.

I'm in agreement with HautBoy, and as I originally stated, the manner in which you went about your claim is rather suspect. I'll go back and re-read Occult today, I know I was worried about him earlier for the paranoid comment, but I don't recall him "drumming up wagons".

[WhoMe?]

just reread myself, just the van damien wagon, so the plural is mistaken

[Haut Boy]

just reread myself, just the van damien wagon, so the plural is mistaken

Even with that grammatical mistake, I still see no evidence of an actual VanDamien wagon; all Occult did was vote him in hopes of generating discussion. Just because he hasn't unvoted does not necessarily mean he is pushing for a bandwagon.

[WhoMe?]

does 3rd vote on same player on page 1 not count as a wagon nowadays?

[pancakemix]

That is a wagon. But he was also trying to get something controversial going. I guess it worked. Hmm...

Unvote FOS Occult and Whome?

You might be trying to throw me off.

[Nocmen]

When the game is just starting, sometimes you want to just put pressure out there with no real motif. You can learn alot from the way people respond to threats with no basis behind them. If somehow they get lynched, one can usually deduce who is scum based on who would be crazy enough to lynch someone very early in the game.

[VanDamien]

And now after two days, after airing my suspicions that Nocmen and Albert may have been cross voting scum, Albert hasn't posted here while he has been on the site. Caught red handed?

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

[Occult]

And now after two days, after airing my suspicions that Nocmen and Albert may have been cross voting scum, Albert hasn't posted here while he has been on the site. Caught red handed?

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

That may be pushing it. Remember, lurking does not equal Scum. It may, but the fact that he hasn't posted in a few days isn't very strong evidence. IMO you need at least 4 or 5 days before you start talking about a lurker. This game just slowed up. I will re-read Rampage and Nocmen though.

[Occult]

After a re-read it seems to be a stretch to say that they are attempting to distance from each other. They do vote for each other but that dosen't show much so far.

[Haut Boy]

does 3rd vote on same player on page 1 not count as a wagon nowadays?

The first two votes were random votes. Net's modkill removed his vote (which I think was moved off of VD anyway), and Nocmen has since moved his vote. Occult, though, has not pushed for VD to be lynched. I still fail to see how this constitutes drumming up a bandwagon.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And now after two days, after airing my suspicions that Nocmen and Albert may have been cross voting scum, Albert hasn't posted here while he has been on the site. Caught red handed?

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

That's madness, I have 5 games going on. Nocmen must be my primary suspect at this point, with VanDamien obviously being his scum mate. There is maybe a third one out there, or a SK. Maybe the one who hasn't posted, darhken.

Maybe the mafia has a handicap too, if darhken is one of the mafia; in that case the doctor's death didn't put us at

complete

disadvantage.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have a question for VanDamien, that would perhaps alleviate my suspicions:

If I were to be lynched or nightkilled, would you push for a Nocmen vote or would you drop your case completely ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Regarding the question above, I meant if I was killed and proved innocent, that is

[VanDamien]

I would drop these suspicions if you were proved innocent, although I would continue to be ever-vigilant. That is, the one's based on the cross voting.

However, perhaps it's a bit wearly to call on lurking, but it sure seems like active lurking, having posted a mere hour and a half after being called on it.

I decided this morning that if neither of you had posted when I returned home from work, I'd switch that FoS to a vote. Nocmen posted something, not really sure wha to think of it yet, just before, so it fell to you by default.

OTOH, if either of you were to be killed at this point and turn up scum, without developments, I'd push for the other's death - hard.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let me repeat the question. If I were to be innocent, would you drop the case on Nocmen ?

[Occult]

I haven't really liked VD's arguments up to this point.

IGMEO Van

[WhoMe?]

Let me repeat the question. If I were to be innocent, would you drop the case on Nocmen ?

as I read it he has answered this question. he said he would drop his suspicions if you turned up innocent.

[DYH]

That's madness, I have 5 games going on. Nocmen must be my primary suspect at this point, with VanDamien obviously being his scum mate. There is maybe a third one out there, or a SK. Maybe the one who hasn't posted, darhken.

Maybe the mafia has a handicap too, if darhken is one of the mafia; in that case the doctor's death didn't put us at

complete

disadvantage.

This entire post gives me bad vibes: the sudden reappearance after being called out for lurking, linking two targets as scummates together this early in the game, speculation on a Serial Killer and going on to suggest that the guy who hasn't appeared yet is mafia with a handicap. The manner in which he phrased his reminder we've lost our doc rubbed me the wrong way, too.

FoS: Albert

just reread myself, just the van damien wagon, so the plural is mistaken

But this one is still scummier, IMO. The attack on Occult seems contrived.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let me repeat the question. If I were to be innocent, would you drop the case on Nocmen ?

as I read it he has answered this question. he said he would drop his suspicions if you turned up innocent.

Then am I the only one to see the subtlety of this maneuver ?

He blames both Nocmen and me on being cross-voting mafia, then pushes for me with whatever excuse, and then when and if I turn up dead, Nocmen is completely free of suspicion. He saves his scum mate with no casualties, and they are free to continue their "rampage" 8)

Is that link possible or am I thinking too hard ??

[WhoMe?]

it's a bit WIFOM, but that's the nature of the game. I personally think it's hard to get too much information during the course of day one. Day 1 can be mined for information on subsequent days, but there's just no way to be sure about anything at the moment

[Albert B. Rampage]

How is that WIFOM ?

The two possibilities if I'm right are that:

1. What I explained earlier

2. Nobody takes him seriously, and nobody votes for me or his scum mate

Remember that he's coming from a safe position, with every excuse to be able to play the misguided townie in future turns.

[DYH]

Here's the real question, though: What would you have said if he wasn't going to drop the case on Nocmen if you come up innocent?

The subtlety of the maneuver may have been in the lose-lose question you presented to him. Of course, it all began with a pretty baseless paranoid theory about you and Nocment being cross-voting mafiates.

I'm not sure why people are so anxious to jump over possible 'connections' at this stage of the game. It's much easier, and far more reliable, to catch these sort of things once we have a dead scum. Doing so pre-emptively leads people to conclusions that may not be true when someone turns up town (in this case, VD stating he'd drop suspicion of Nocmen if Albert turns up innocent).

[WhoMe?]

How is that WIFOM ?

The two possibilities if I'm right are that:

1. What I explained earlier

2. Nobody takes him seriously, and nobody votes for me or his scum mate

Remember that he's coming from a safe position, with every excuse to be able to play the misguided townie in future turns.

Have i used the wrong acronym? What I mean is, given the situation it could be spun as you and nocmen being scum buddies, or the other guy trying to make his scum buddy nocmen look town by tying him to you when he know you are innocent.

[blahgo]

Since darkhen isn't posting I will. He's innocent and I'm innocent. We are masons.

[TonyMontana]

Oh bloody hell...