In post 415, TierShift wrote:The main problem I'm having with justin is that he's portraying immense amounts of IIoA, while being extremely indecisive. Not in a paranoia way, but in a 'I see this behaviour but I don't wanna attach a value judgement' way. A manner in which he can swing both ways if necessary. The questions he asks people, are mostly answered and will definitely not help him towards forming a read.
Tiershift, there's this thing called projection. I would suggest the vote I've placed and the conversation we're having would argue against my indecision. Whereas your spiel of my vote's on Ninja but I could vote a couple other people plus I hecka voted jon first thing on day two even though my secret identical to Majiffy read was that it was Not_Mafia's vote on Finglove that was really questionable strikes me as...you know, either indecisive or a scum who's willing to point the finger just about anywhere as long as it keeps a finger from pointing at him.
Because you see I've attached a value judgment to almost everyone here at this point. And about those questions, one of which led to Ninja admitting he'd lied about having a read, another of which led to you telling town that you'd had a suspicious reaction to Not_Mafia's vote on Finglove, but not on Jon's who you immediately voted for on day two. And yeah, my questions have helped me solidify my read on you, somewhat reduced my suspicions of Wolfy, somewhat increased my suspicions of Katarina and made me think even more that if we lynch Ninja today we'll be lynching the village idiot. These are what are commonly called value judgments and they have evolved from reads the answers to my questions have helped create.
In post 415, TierShift wrote: In post 339, Justin Playfair wrote:I've read and reread Ninja and my gut tells me he's a flailing townie but there's just too much dirt there to ignore. He's not my first choice for today's lynch because at this point he's not my scummiest and because neither a successful or unsuccessful Ninja lynch provides us with much information going into tomorrow.
First of all here's a poop reason not to vote NT. The rest of his post seems to imply NT is scum but somehow he wants to uphold the idea that NT is town. Tries to dissuade us from lynching NT by calling his lynch non-informative, a hollow and meaningless word.
An example of setting himself up to call him either town or scum later on.
In post 352, Justin Playfair wrote:I don't like the speed at which Majiffy is pushing the Ninja lynch but I like/agree with almost everything he's posted. I agree with his townread of Jon and his suspicions of Tiershift. To this point I suppose my only concern is what seems like tunneling on Ninja here in day two.
Jiffy he wants the D
I get the feeling he's not really looking for scum but just setting up a position from which he can go in whatever direction he pleases.
Hmmm...maybe I do want the D. Majiffy's avatar is certainly appealing. But I'm not the player who reread the thread in a half hour and swallowed every last one of Majiffy's reads. That would be you. Don't worry. You get the first dance.
Now as for this setting up a position from which he can go in whatever direction he pleases?
Ummm...my name's Tiershift and I'm voting for Ninja but I'd be happy to vote for Justin or S and Em and I had a bad read on Not_Mafia's vote and so I voted for Jon and I want Katarina and Jon outside my townblock and I really wanted It (jon) dead yesterday or maybe he's solid town. I mean I did a 30 minute reread and changed all my reads but I never gave reasons for what I found that made me do it.
Let's see, my name's Justin and from reading the thread I found Tiershift the most likely scum and I made a case against him and I'm prosecuting it. Damn, I'm all over the place.
Really, Tiershift, if you were going to launch an OMGUS attack on me it probably would have been better to try to accuse me of tunneling. Because pretty much everything you've said about me...well, you're doing it.
In post 415, TierShift wrote:Justin, I want you to make a reads list in which you categorize people.
How do you feel about SM and his interaction around the finglove wagon?
I am so tempted to ask you to change your avatar. Instead I'll ask you to list what it was in your reread that made you change your reads on Jon and Katarina. Commit yourself to something at last. Own your opinion on just these two changes.
Oh, and own this, too. If it really was Not_Mafia's vote that you thought indicated scum in the Finglove thread, if you thought that Jon's did not, why did you vote Jon as soon as the second day dawned? And so vehemently?
You see, it's been awhile since I played Mafia, but I'm pretty sure that it's still a scumtell when someone's words don't match their actions. And by the way, that's the crux of my case, even more than your opportunistic sheeping.
