Event Card Mafia (Game Over)

[Juls]

@TIP - I don't have a problem with that part of your statement (though I don't know that she is necessarily doing that), it's the rest of it.

[farside22]

@TIP - I don't have a problem with that part of your statement (though I don't know that she is necessarily doing that), it's the rest of it.

What do mean the rest of it?

[Juls]

The part where he was like "listen to muffin"

[TheIrishPope]

I was just saying that muffin is the correct one, not talah

[Iecerint]

He thinks it's incriminating simply because 3 tracks is a lot

on this

i'm not really a fan of speculating on something like this, but i don't see any reason there couldn't potentially be three town tracking abilities (if there can be two, there can be three). scum almost certainly have some counters to this (regardless of whether it's two or three town tracking abilities, they probably have a ninja at the very least, as well as decent fake-claims for any active PRs that get caught visiting someone)

i don't really know what is or isn't normal for a zoraster game though. does he usually do role overlaps?

I keep repeating this because people are like "I don't know why AD thinks Iec is scum," but he mentioned it. I am not intending to imply that I think it is valid reasoning. I think it is a crappy, lazy basis for a vote.

I also find is recent lurkiness in light of this consistent with DanScum.

[Iecerint]

also i think bulba is scum

I also kind of think this, especially if TIP is town.

[Iecerint]

@ Bulba, I found your TIP vote kind of unsettling because it seemed to have disproportionate gusto.

[Iecerint]

I can't remember whether Bulba was scum in Zelda.

[AGar]

farside I think your problem is "I'm seeing this guy, he's not doing what I would do as town, ergo scum" which is really faulty reasoning and muffin is trying to explain but you just don't listen

All-star defense. Really. Fantastic.

Oh, and so my words don't get misconstrued once again, I said lolwat because i am nothing close to a skilled scum player and talah has no idea what she's talking about

Scum wouldn't ever concern themselves with what they said and try and pre-empt the town attacking that, right? Also, this is entirely contradictory with his entire behavior and attitude day 1.

So, that leads me back to my scum-reads and proximity to the night kill (I know Agar hates this). But, of the people in rooms 1 and 3 (where the kills were). I think the scummiest person is Papa Zito. If I were scum, I would let the person who was getting the most heat from town do the kill because if they are caught it is no big loss.

VOTE: Papa Zito

Keep voting a useless wagon! Such town, many scumhunting, wow.

[Juls]

Agar, do you think Papa Zito is town?

[AGar]

Agar, do you think Papa Zito is town?

Yeah. Not nearly present as much as I'd like, but computer issues and such as he mentioned. But yeah, I'd bet Zititown.

[ZZZX]

Oh, and so my words don't get misconstrued once again, I said lolwat because i am nothing close to a skilled scum player and talah has no idea what she's talking about

OH GOD THIS POST

IT STUCK EVERY SINGLE SCUM METER IN MY MIND

Vote TIP

Also a question for you. Did you really claim VT? THERE IS NO SINGLE REASON A VT WOULD PLAY LIKE THIS. I am leaning into reading you as scum.

[Iecerint]

I'm vt and I'm gonna get to this game this weekend (today or tomorrow)
I'm claiming to not waste time

[PeregrineV]

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[PeregrineV]

With Dan I am actually torn between "how you doing" @ talah and his very lazy reasoning (reminded via iso skim).

For Dan, if he is scum, whatever would he be trying to accomplish with his claim?

[Iecerint]

I think Dan is probably a scum tracker if he is scum. I think his crumb to talah was legitimate. In other words, I think he tracked as claimed regardless of his alignment.

I guess he would have been trying to capitalize on geography confusion? I think I probably looked pretty vulnerable right after AGar ninjaed my reporting of Zora's clarification PM. Mild closereading would have made it pretty obvious that I was town to anyone closereading, but I would have looked vulnerable. This is why I was really wary of Dan and people who quickjoined his wagon.

His play since that time is all based around trying to put down players who haven't figured things out or caught onto things instead of trying to find scum (e.g., gleefully pointing out that AGar hadn't pointed out that I had tracker-slipped), and then not posting. In addition to being flagrantly anti-town and not coming from someone trying to find scum, I find this suspicious because I think anyone who does that level of closereading should be able to tell that I am town. He felt similar in the Reckoning III game that recently finished, where we lynched scumDan D1.

But I agree with Juls/Muffin/Others about not wanting to lynch him until after the Double Action for boring nightgame reasons. It will be harder for scum to impair all of us.

[Venmar]

Im really drained right now, all i can say is that TIP isnt the best lynch today at all.

[talah]

That appears to be what both you and zMuffin are saying - and between the many many words that zMuffin uses to come to the conclusion, and the direct opposite from you - I still don't have any clear sense at all on why either of you are thinking that.

My thought would be - He's not NOT the best. So I directly disagree.
Unless, I mean - are you saying you have a slight scumread on him and want to save him for later?
Or a slight townread, so - Juls instead?

I don't get it.


Anyway shout-out for lurker-prods please Zor. A third of the roster hasn't posted in over 48 hours.

[Papa Zito]

I managed to get my PC to boot, I'm so excited you have no idea.

I've skimmed but will do a deeper re-read tonight. Especially tip cuz I don't remember that one pinging particularly hard.


P.S. I'm leery of people deciding "3 tracks happened, one MUST be scum" but I'm also weirded out that everyone is pointing out either Dan (cuz ?) or Iec (I can grok this one) but nobody is saying "hey what if Talah was scum goon and is gonna do the lolblocked thing all game" except me apparently. If there is some

reasons

why this is impossible given the incredibly confusing whateverthefuck happened last night I'd love to be corrected here.



@Agar: Not typically around on weekends plz

[zoraster]

Day 2

Iecerint ( 4 )

ActionDan

Oversoul

TheIrishPope

DeltaWave

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(L - 8 )

Juls ( 1 )

Venmar

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(L - 11 )

Papa Zito ( 1 )

Juls

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(L - 11 )

Prof Fridays ( 1 )

Papa Zito

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(L - 11 )

TheIrishPope ( 8 )

Agar

talah

Iecerint

farside22

Brian Skies

Bulbazak

DeathNote

ZZZX

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(L - 4 )

PeregrineV ( 1 )

zMuffinMan

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(L - 11 )

Not Voting ( 6 )

PeregrineV Aronis Kublai Khan mnemonicdevice BROseidon Prof Fridays

Total ( 22 )

Needed to Lynch [ 12 ]

Deadline

Deadline is May 14 at 20:00 EDT --- Time Until Deadline: (expired on 2014-05-14 20:00:00)

Current Active Event:

Double Action

Tomorrow's Event:

Dia De Los Muertos

Prof Fridays Oversoul BROseidon have been prodded.

[BROseidon]

wtf how did I get prodded <48 hours after my V/LA ended.

I'll catch up on this later this week post-exams

[AGar]

@Agar: Not typically around on weekends plz

Didn't know that, my b.

[mnemonicdevice]

Huh.. this is interesting. Caught up, nothing good to say right now, except that I am leaning towards the all three trackers are town

[AGar]

Huh.. this is interesting. Caught up, nothing good to say right now, except that I am leaning towards the all three trackers are town

That is literally all you have to say? No other comment?

[Papa Zito]

All the same, I've gotten a general repulsion from Papa Zito for the large majority of the game, I feel, to the point of even declaring the qwints wagon I jump-started to be stupid despite not really having other options when his head was on the chopping block.

I'm sure you're unhappy that I'm not letting you scumlurk your way to victory, sure.

And yes, I didn't like the qwints wagon at all because I had a strong townread on him. As conveniently stated in this very thread.

additionally considering I got some bad vibes from Tony PF at the beginning.

What gave you these vibes. Be specific.


bluh all the tracker stuff it's so tough to wade through

13. Talah and Venmar are at 7 and 8 votes respectively
14. the qwints wagon gets started
15. With only a few hours left, qwints is pushed to lynch

I feel this is terribly important but we won't know how until we get a flip or two.

@ZZZX:

Who are TiP's scum partners?



my eyes glazed over I'll read tip later