My vote was random. Why is it suspicious that I didn't unvote him?pete d wrote:well, I just did a search on thorgot, he's posting in other games, so i find it a bit suspicious that he hasn't unvoted Southpaw or anything since his first random vote despite the early wagon that's formed. I guess that's worth aFoS: thorgot
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i was still voting because as i said, i didnt think the wagon would go anywhere. and it hasnt. people have unvotedpete d wrote:ummm... you're still voting for Southpaw yourself...
if the use of FOS's getsSweenytodd wrote:I have to agree with Dodgy on this one, while promoting discussion at this point is what we need to do, liberal use of theFOSwould be my preference to willy-nilly bandwagonning, especially to put someone halfway to lynch before we have had any kind of discussion at all seems reckless. Though I see him in no danger I am also going to remove my random voteUnvote: Superstring91until we have more discussion.tooliberal, they lose effectiveness. a vote puts more pressure on them as well. if there are multiple FOS's on me i dont care as much as if they were votes. if there are multiple votes on me, i feel pressure to defend myself
i have to agree with fonz here. voting is better than FOS
addendum: a vote is not better than an FOS if the vote may end the game, or otherwise cause an early lynchWe've got him now! There's no escape from the airport!
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The Fonz wrote
Iv'e heard some real crap in my time but that has to be some of the best LOL.But Dodgy's complete overreaction was exactly the kind of thing I was hoping for when placing my third vote. I can't speak for Dasquian, as I probably wouldn't have placed that vote.
Also, the fact that you then voted me just adds to my suspicions about you.
You throw your votes around too easily.
This is often the game play of scum as when it comes to jumping onto a band wagon, they can use the defense that they have flippently voted all game.
However, although I'm tempted to vote you and I'm never scared of returning a vote when its appropriate, I am at this time happy with theFOS.If it scares you, close your eyes, it might just disappear but don't scream, cos no one can hear!-
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The Fonz also wrote
Random voting came in after a few months of the games invention.I think Superstring gets it. After all, if FOS are preferable to votes early on, why don't games begin with a random FOS stage?
It wasn't a planned thing, it just caught on as it was quite dreary just saying Hi.
Once random votes have been placed (which is merely a ritual) then often people unvote and then FOS for a day or two until one or more players get a stronger hunch and vote or scum decide to jump onto someones back. Having said that, any player is free to act as they wish.If it scares you, close your eyes, it might just disappear but don't scream, cos no one can hear!-
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Firstly,unvotewhoever I had my random vote on.
I guess that's pretty much how I'd figured it, but it helps with the clarification. Anyway... so now that it's become clear that Eletriar's still a noob...
Also, thorgot, it seems to me that if a random vote is placed, and it doesn't go anywhere, it's not really all that big a deal. (Please correct me if I'm wrong here) Still, it is a little odd that seeing a bandwagon forming without any provocation one would have no reaction at all. I think the question being asked is why you kept your vote placed.ShowThe Wild Eep: And apparently I'm male, even when I say otherwise. xD
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By not unvoting, in effect you are saying that you support the wagon that formed after your random vote. Just because your vote was random when you put it on, doesn't mean that it stays that way; It should be viewed the same as the other contributors to the wagon. Pretending otherwise is sneaky.thorgot wrote:My vote was random. Why is it suspicious that I didn't unvote him?-
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in this case, i'll say that i supported this particular wagon. it did no harm, got discussion rolling, and did some reaction fishing as well. overall, it was a good wagonpete d wrote:
By not unvoting, in effect you are saying that you support the wagon that formed after your random vote. Just because your vote was random when you put it on, doesn't mean that it stays that way; It should be viewed the same as the other contributors to the wagon. Pretending otherwise is sneaky.thorgot wrote:My vote was random. Why is it suspicious that I didn't unvote him?We've got him now! There's no escape from the airport!
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But we hadDodgy wrote:The Fonz also wrote
Random voting came in after a few months of the games invention.I think Superstring gets it. After all, if FOS are preferable to votes early on, why don't games begin with a random FOS stage?
It wasn't a planned thing, it just caught on as it was quite dreary just saying Hi.
Once random votes have been placed (which is merely a ritual) then often people unvote and then FOS for a day or two until one or more players get a stronger hunch and vote or scum decide to jump onto someones back. Having said that, any player is free to act as they wish.nothingto go on at that point. Nothing. Overreacting to harmless votes is just a classic scumtell. Classic. If everyone random votes, that doesn't elicit anything, then what are you basing your FOS on? Nothing, that's what.
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Wow, this is the kind of game I like! Discussion on the first few pages!
My opinion about the whole vote thing. I agree that it is dangerous to put someone at lynch -3, but I also think it unlikely that they would be quick lynched, because I would bet that at least 1 scum are on the wagon already, and no scum is going to quick lynch that early on day 1.
I do like how the discussion has been sparked from it and the reactions, while right now may not be valuable, but it will later allow us something to analyze later.
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on page 2 day 1, L-3 is not dangerous at all. especially if scum is already on the wagon, and even if no scum is on the wagon. they will not risk giving themselves up.kilmenator wrote:My opinion about the whole vote thing. I agree that it is dangerous to put someone at lynch -3, but I also think it unlikely that they would be quick lynched, because I would bet that at least 1 scum are on the wagon already, and no scum is going to quick lynch that early on day 1.We've got him now! There's no escape from the airport!
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Exactly my point, so why start a band wagon at this point?But we had nothing to go on at that point. Nothing.
Firstly, I think you are the one that is making a big thing of this. My comments were not over reacting at all, I was merely pointing out the obvious.Overreacting to harmless votes is just a classic scumtell. Classic.
And secondly, What would you know aboutClassic scumtells?
Correct me if I'm wrong but you have only been playing for a couple of weeks and being privy to all members lists and their IP addresses, I can see that you havn't been a player before that date under a different name, so I ask again, are you really experienced enough to make such a statement?
I'm basing my FOS on your defensivness which is quite outstanding considering the stage at which this game is at and the comments of mine for which you are reffering to.then what are you basing your FOS on?
Let me elaborate on your last staement by Quoting the entire sentence, which I think sums my point up exactly.....
"Nothing, that's what? Your angst precedes you!then what are you basing your FOS on? Nothing, that's what.If it scares you, close your eyes, it might just disappear but don't scream, cos no one can hear!-
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to start discussion so that we would be able to watch reactions, and actually have something to go on. if we never started a wagon, or voted at all for that matter, the game would stall.Dodgy wrote:The Fonz wrote
Exactly my point, so why start a band wagon at this point?But we had nothing to go on at that point. Nothing.
Firstly, I think you are the one that is making a big thing of this. My comments were not over reacting at all, I was merely pointing out the obvious.Overreacting to harmless votes is just a classic scumtell. Classic.
And secondly, What would you know aboutClassic scumtells?
Correct me if I'm wrong but you have only been playing for a couple of weeks and being privy to all members lists and their IP addresses, I can see that you havn't been a player before that date under a different name, so I ask again, are you really experienced enough to make such a statement?[/quote]
you have no clue what hes played outside MS, our outside the internet for that matter. now, i dont think its aclassic scumtellbut it is something to look at later on down the road.We've got him now! There's no escape from the airport!
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@ superstring... youre right of course but to my knowledge, there are only 3 sites which play the "Mafia" or such like games and having been in the loop on setting up this one and one of the other 2, I feel I I have rough idea on who is who.
So why are you defending The Fonz so? Could it be that he reffered to you understanding his comments about the "FOS" stuff or could it have more sustenance?If it scares you, close your eyes, it might just disappear but don't scream, cos no one can hear!-
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im not defending him at all.
im calling you out on attacking him for provoking discussion. like i said in my last post, the game would stall otherwise.
also: the wiki had a list of scumtells at one point. he may have read it.We've got him now! There's no escape from the airport!
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I don't want to repeat what SS said, as he largely had it, but:
Because if we don't do anything to provoke reactions, we'll never find scum?Dodgy wrote:The Fonz wrote
Exactly my point, so why start a band wagon at this point?But we had nothing to go on at that point. Nothing.
What risk? There is no risk in putting someone at lynch -4. You're not going to get four scum (if there are even that many) bandwagonning, and should it actually get to the stage someone puts the -2 or -1 vote on the basically random bandwagon, a) you can unvote and b)you've got blatant scum.
Firstly, I think you are the one that is making a big thing of this. My comments were not over reacting at all, I was merely pointing out the obvious.Overreacting to harmless votes is just a classic scumtell. Classic.
And secondly, What would you know aboutClassic scumtells?
Correct me if I'm wrong but you have only been playing for a couple of weeks and being privy to all members lists and their IP addresses, I can see that you havn't been a player before that date under a different name, so I ask again, are you really experienced enough to make such a statement?You have no idea where else I might have played, or how many games I've read. If you're a vet, you oughta know there's plenty of vets who subscribe to the same theory.
I don't mean your FOS on me there. That makes perfect sense either way, since you have to defend yourself. (Though my 'outstanding defensiveness?' Pot, kettle...) I mean, if no-one ever gets a random wagon rolling, then on what on earth does anyone have to base the FOS you are advocating as an alternative to my vote?
I'm basing my FOS on your defensivness which is quite outstanding considering the stage at which this game is at and the comments of mine for which you are reffering to.then what are you basing your FOS on?
Let me elaborate on your last staement by Quoting the entire sentence, which I think sums my point up exactly.....
To return to your initial, suspect comment:
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I'm not liking Dodgy's move to discredit The Fonz's provenance as a mafia player; I have no idea what the level of veterancy of everyone in this game is, but Fonz seems to be making reasoned arguments I can get behind, and calling him out on his inexperience seems to be a cop-out even if it could be backed up.
I have no idea how many sites on the internet run mafia games, but I'm pretty sure the one I've played the bulk of my games on isn't on Dodgy's list of 3 (though I'm certain I've played an order of magnitude fewer games than most scummers) either.
Anyway,unvote, vote: Dodgy. It was only mildly questionable when he objected to the L-3 vote, but now he just seems to have become more rattled by Fonz and SS's responses (which have seemed entirely rational and sensible to me) than I'd have expected.[size=84]QUACK[/size]-
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I'm not rattled at all. I agree that discussion has to take place and this certainly got it going but I think some people are taking my comments rather more seriously than they need to be taken.
@ Dasquian, I'm guessing your voting me because you think I'm scum? Well just for the record, I'm not.
As for my
I was under no circumstances trying to discredit him as a player in any way, just merely asking if his "Classic scumtell" comment could be justified with only a couple of weeks under his belt on this site.move to discredit The Fonz's provenance as a mafia player
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There is a VERY good chance that we have 3 Scum in this game and my guess is that you've all be outed in day 1.
I think the 3 scum are The Fonz, Dasquian and superstring91.
All 3 of you know that I'm not scum and thats why you are all going in for the kill and to get people onside.
If however you do manage this, please town, remember the mob!
As for your scumtells The Fonz, I hope for your sake you are scum because if by small chance that youre not, youre very bad at reading this game.If it scares you, close your eyes, it might just disappear but don't scream, cos no one can hear!-
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I can empathise with the level of paranoia you're now exhibiting, and I would say that's actually a town-tell if anything, or a conscientious act.
If you're town, calm down, take a step back. The mafia arenotall going in for the kill, nor would it make much sense for us to do so if you were right about us, unless we were going for one of those "so obvious you have to discount it" mafia plays.
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I think it's unlikely that all of the mafia would start working together so early in the game. From my past experiences, mafia typically just ignore each other for the first day to prevent any connections from being made.Dodgy wrote:There is a VERY good chance that we have 3 Scum in this game and my guess is that you've all be outed in day 1.
I think the 3 scum are The Fonz, Dasquian and superstring91.
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