Royal Family Mafia - Game Over!

[Battle Mage]

MoS-you can only have 1 alignment: for or against the rebellion. if your character was secretly against the rebellion, i would have been told. when i investigate someone, i dont go by profession, but by stuff found in their room. if you were secretly with the rebellion, i would know about it. as for the drawbridge bit, you could easily have made that up, especially with the recent discovery of the portcullis keeper...
bye bye scum.
BM

LoL, actually, I can't answer that for you at all, BM. I'm the Prince's page, and I control the drawbridge. I have no clue what the drawbridge does, and since the drawbridge has always stayed up, I can only assume that my nightchoice isn't the only factor involved. My guess would be that the drawbridge probably lets certain roles into the castle, but I haven't been able to lower it yet. Even though I'm the Prince's page, my role pm states that I secretly hate my job and would jump at the chance to get out from under the thumb of the Royal Family. My guess is that you got that result because of my employment. I hate miller roles -_-.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote MoS

nuff said

[Mastermind of Sin]

Because someone who secretly works against his employers would totally have evidence of his true alignment in his room. Riiiiight. That doesn't make a lot of sense, BM. If I'm lying about being drawbridge keeper, there is an easy way to resolve that. I'll be counterclaimed, and you'll know.

You don't seem to understand what the definition of a miller is, do you?

[Mastermind of Sin]

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Miller

[Occult]

It's possible that MoS is telling the truth...
and C-head's questionable cop work led to a few townie lynches.
For now I will,

Unvote Bogre

[Cardinal Ibelly]

The Official "Settlers of Catan is Insanely Addictive" Vote Count!

Mastermind of Sin – 4 – Battle Mage, Save the Dragons, Fritzler, PookyTheMagicalBear

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch!

Not Voting – 9 – Bogre, Cogito Ergo Sum, Ether, Hackerhuck, Mastermind of Sin, Occult, PBuG, the silent speaker,Thok

[Mastermind of Sin]

Look, why don't you just let me prove my role? I'll attempt to lower the drawbridge tonight, and if it lowers, you'll know I wasn't lying. If it doesn't, then you can lynch me tomorrow. If whoever else has an effect on the drawbridge if protown, they won't stop me. If they're not, I'm screwed, but I'm willing to take that gamble. It's a simple test that will at best save you from lynching a townie whose role you could've proven, and at worst, you'll lynch me tomorrow anyways.

[Battle Mage]

frankly MoS, we'd have to be pretty stupid not to lynch CONFIRMED SCUM. Especially when the town is in the descendancy. You may have control of the drawbridge, but i find it odd that a mafia affiliated princes page, with bridge control decides that he wants to rebel.
sounds pretty damn ridiculous to me.
Good effort, but we cant afford to kill a townie today. Means we must kill you.
BM

Look, why don't you just let me prove my role? I'll attempt to lower the drawbridge tonight, and if it lowers, you'll know I wasn't lying. If it doesn't, then you can lynch me tomorrow. If whoever else has an effect on the drawbridge if protown, they won't stop me. If they're not, I'm screwed, but I'm willing to take that gamble. It's a simple test that will at best save you from lynching a townie whose role you could've proven, and at worst, you'll lynch me tomorrow anyways.

[Mastermind of Sin]

How in the hell am I confirmed scum? Do you

still

not understand the concept of a miller? As for my flavor, how is my character rebelling any more ridiculous than any of us rebelling? Just because you're farther under the tyrannical thumb of the Royal Family means that you aren't allowed to want to rebel? WTF kind of logic is that? Have you even stopped to think this through, or are you so convinced of your own goddamn infallibility that you won't even stop to listen to reason when you have an easy way to test my role?

[Battle Mage]

yes, your role is potentially testable, unless of course you ARE scum and you ARE also in control of the drawbridge. In truth MoS, its pretty obvious that you are just trying to buy yourself some time. In some circumstances, i would probably agree that giving you an opportunity to prove yourself is good, but in a game such as this, where the numbers of protown players are dwindling, that extra day could be costly for the town. I know this is obviously your intention-to save yourself for another day, but its not going to work.
When given the choice between lynching someone based on what they say, and someone based on what the mod says, you'll forgive me if i choose the latter as the best. you could be a miller-its possible, but the odds in my mind are infinitely slim.
And in your own words, such a role has been of limited use so far anyway, so in killing you, we dont risk losing anything of great importance.
BM

How in the hell am I confirmed scum? Do you

still

not understand the concept of a miller? As for my flavor, how is my character rebelling any more ridiculous than any of us rebelling? Just because you're farther under the tyrannical thumb of the Royal Family means that you aren't allowed to want to rebel? WTF kind of logic is that? Have you even stopped to think this through, or are you so convinced of your own goddamn infallibility that you won't even stop to listen to reason when you have an easy way to test my role?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I might've believed you if you had just claimed miller.

But miller with a silly thing attached to it that just happens to be similar to the person who ended up dead today is just too silly for me to believe.

die scum die.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and by might've i mean like 1%

[Save The Dragons]

I might've believed you if you had just claimed miller.

But miller with a silly thing attached to it that just happens to be similar to the person who ended up dead today is just too silly for me to believe.

die scum die.

::goodposting::

die suck die.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Actually, BM, given that we got rid of two scum right away, we're pretty well off right now. Starting with 23 people, and 1 kill a night with 1 exception, I'd say we probably have about 3 scum left, and not in the same group.

Pooky, the "silly thing" attached to my role just happens to be correlated by last night's death. It supports my claim, because it's logical for there to be someone in charge of the drawbridge if someone is in charge of the porticullis. Now, since we know that someone is in charge of the drawbridge, why haven't I been counterclaimed? Oh yes, that's right. Because

I'm in charge of the drawbridge

.

[Mastermind of Sin]

EDWOP: I could see us having 4 scum out of 13 players left, maybe.

[Battle Mage]

Actually, BM, given that we got rid of two scum right away, we're pretty well off right now. Starting with 23 people, and 1 kill a night with 1 exception, I'd say we probably have about 3 scum left, and not in the same group.

Pooky, the "silly thing" attached to my role just happens to be correlated by last night's death.

It supports my claim, because it's logical for there to be someone in charge of the drawbridge if someone is in charge of the porticullis.

Now, since we know that someone is in charge of the drawbridge, why haven't I been counterclaimed? Oh yes, that's right. Because

I'm in charge of the drawbridge

.

What worries me MoS, is the possibility that your claim is based solely on the bit i have highlighted. You have been quick to emphasise that it fits in with the flavour, but i find it significantly more likely that your claim was based upon this fact. Your tone seems to support this. And the fact you havent been counter-claimed making u correct is complete fallacy. firstly, only half the players have actually been on yet today, so odds are, the REAL person in charge, hasnt even read your claim yet. Secondly, what power role in their right mind would try and counter-claim a confirmed scum who was about to get lynched anyway?
its so obvious that you are using your last few days in an attempt to out a protown power role, to help your buddies a bit. I sincerely urge the real Drawbridge controller NOT TO COUNTER CLAIM. Im not even ruling out the possibility that MoS DOES control the drawbridge. It could be the 1 genuine thing he is telling us. Unfortunately an anti-town is an anti-town.
Also, i disagree about us being well off. The town had a lucky first day-night, and since then the scum has been dominant. We still havent uncovered an actual ringleader (King, Queen etc) unless you count Twito.
Im thinking there is a good shot that you are the King-considering your experience and good leadership etc.

Oh and by the way, i feel like pointing out that, considering the length of this game, and the fact that the scum have pulled it back ALOT, i expect the Mafia have developed some pretty close bonds. When i revealed my result, i was originally expecting there to be unquestioned bussing of MoS, by his wiser buddies-who obviously wanted to avoid investigation tonight. Whilst this is still a possibility, i find Occult to be suspicious as well, for acting entirely differently.
He began the day by singing dedication to me (albeit because of Canucklehead) then went on to disbelieve me when he heard it was MoS. Personal loyalty to his leader? it wouldnt surprise me one bit. I wouldnt blame him-if i was a newer player, and my significantly better leader was about to get lynched, i would be genuinely keen to defend him. Unfortunately, if MoS comes up as scum, i think Occult could well be his buddy.
BM

[Occult]

Possibilities of this situation:
MoS is telling the truth:
-We lose another pro-town and it's possible BM is scum (claiming cop)
-Same result, BM is a cop, possibly insane

MoS is lying:
-Scum is lynched, BM is confirmed to be a cop
-We get a scum lynched, but BM is mafia, their plan is to sacrifice MoS to make BM look extreamly good and unlikly to be lynched.

Nextly,
"He began the day by singing dedication to me," -BM
That was sarcassam, as I take Jack's stance in not believing C-head's claim as well as being completly amazed at the following of LL.

This wagon on MoS doesn't need any help and it will give a good amount of information. But I haven't voted because I don't completly believe that C-head/BM is a legitimate cop.

This game has had two leaders: C-head/BM (the

Claimed

cop) and LL (the "seer") and your lynch record isn't the most impressive.

[Battle Mage]

hmm i thought my claim had already been confirmed before i got here. firstly, one person i got a result on, has been killed, thus proving my claim. you obviously have reasons to back up your case for me lying i assume?
I also feel a bit put out at your misrepresentation.
You neglect to mention that the odds of MoS being protown are infinitely scum, as are the odds of me being scum.
regardless of whether C-Head did well at his role or not, I AM NOT HIM. I have his role and his chosen results, but that is all. I certainly am not to blame if he was unhelpful earlier in the game. The fact you CAN be certain of, is that he did mean well, and his results were completely true.
i wanted to lynch Jack yesterday mostly because he had been so certain that C-Head was lying. wanting to lynch a confirmed, and to an extent, PROVEN power role, is immensely scummy. Unfortunately it turns out he was just misguided town. im not sure i can say the same about you. Your attempts to try and 'claim you agree with a confirmed protown' are hardly encouraging.
anyway, if you want to see if im a real cop, ffs let me prove it to you. If MoS comes up town, i must be either lying scum, or an insane cop-which is less than useless anyway!
However, lynch MoS and you wont be disappointed (unless you really ARE his scumbuddy)

Possibilities of this situation:
MoS is telling the truth:
-We lose another pro-town and it's possible BM is scum (claiming cop)
-Same result, BM is a cop, possibly insane

MoS is lying:
-Scum is lynched, BM is confirmed to be a cop
-We get a scum lynched, but BM is mafia, their plan is to sacrifice MoS to make BM look extreamly good and unlikly to be lynched.

Nextly,
"He began the day by singing dedication to me," -BM
That was sarcassam, as I take Jack's stance in not believing C-head's claim as well as being completly amazed at the following of LL.

This wagon on MoS doesn't need any help and it will give a good amount of information. But I haven't voted because I don't completly believe that C-head/BM is a legitimate cop.

This game has had two leaders: C-head/BM (the

Claimed

cop) and LL (the "seer") and your lynch record isn't the most impressive.

[Occult]

1)The fact that I found C-head scummy does transfer to you.
2)It's not incredibly hard for scum to "investigate" and return a correct guilty or innocent result.
3)I have stated that I belive a MoS lynch will give us information and that it's likely he's scum.
4)I haven't said anything about lynching you. But I will not blindly follow you.
5)I do hope you are telling the truth.

And If you honestly believe I'm scum, then invistigate me.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Actually, BM, given that we got rid of two scum right away, we're pretty well off right now. Starting with 23 people, and 1 kill a night with 1 exception, I'd say we probably have about 3 scum left, and not in the same group.

Pooky, the "silly thing" attached to my role just happens to be correlated by last night's death.

It supports my claim, because it's logical for there to be someone in charge of the drawbridge if someone is in charge of the porticullis.

Now, since we know that someone is in charge of the drawbridge, why haven't I been counterclaimed? Oh yes, that's right. Because

I'm in charge of the drawbridge

.

What worries me MoS, is the possibility that your claim is based solely on the bit i have highlighted. You have been quick to emphasise that it fits in with the flavour, but i find it significantly more likely that your claim was based upon this fact. Your tone seems to support this. And the fact you havent been counter-claimed making u correct is complete fallacy. firstly, only half the players have actually been on yet today, so odds are, the REAL person in charge, hasnt even read your claim yet. Secondly, what power role in their right mind would try and counter-claim a confirmed scum who was about to get lynched anyway?
its so obvious that you are using your last few days in an attempt to out a protown power role, to help your buddies a bit. I sincerely urge the real Drawbridge controller NOT TO COUNTER CLAIM. Im not even ruling out the possibility that MoS DOES control the drawbridge. It could be the 1 genuine thing he is telling us. Unfortunately an anti-town is an anti-town.
Also, i disagree about us being well off. The town had a lucky first day-night, and since then the scum has been dominant. We still havent uncovered an actual ringleader (King, Queen etc) unless you count Twito.
Im thinking there is a good shot that you are the King-considering your experience and good leadership etc.

Oh and by the way, i feel like pointing out that, considering the length of this game, and the fact that the scum have pulled it back ALOT, i expect the Mafia have developed some pretty close bonds. When i revealed my result, i was originally expecting there to be unquestioned bussing of MoS, by his wiser buddies-who obviously wanted to avoid investigation tonight. Whilst this is still a possibility, i find Occult to be suspicious as well, for acting entirely differently.
He began the day by singing dedication to me (albeit because of Canucklehead) then went on to disbelieve me when he heard it was MoS. Personal loyalty to his leader? it wouldnt surprise me one bit. I wouldnt blame him-if i was a newer player, and my significantly better leader was about to get lynched, i would be genuinely keen to defend him. Unfortunately, if MoS comes up as scum, i think Occult could well be his buddy.
BM

So let's see here. A cop claims I'm scum, I claim, and you think I'm scum because I'm emphasizing on the one thing that

supports

my claim? Are you insane? You aren't even stopping to consider your options at all. You are so convinced that your result can't possibly be wrong that you aren't even considering any possibilities that involve me being protown. Anything that's suggested to you gets a cursory glance and is immediately thrown out the window. That's hardly a protown attitude, BM. I don't understand why a protown cop would want to railroad someone this hard, but I can't figure out why scum would want to do it either, since I'll be revealed as town after I'm lynched.

BM, so let me see if I understand you correctly. You think that the drawbridge controller is a power role, so you don't want anyone to counterclaim me, because you don't want them killed. However, you want to lynch me, who has claimed said power role

and

can prove myself during the very next night phase. You can't have it both ways, BM. Either my role is useless enough that you don't want to stick around to let me prove myself, or the role is so important that you don't want anyone to counterclaim me. If my role is useless, then let me be counterclaimed. If my role is important, let me prove myself. Don't disregard the obvious logic here, just because you're an inexperienced cop.

Yes, not everyone has checked in. However, we have plenty of time. I can wait, and so can you, if you're truly protown. You're in no rush, or at least, you shouldn't be. If there are people that have failed to show up since I've claimed, why don't you ask for prods on them, eh?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Actually

what it looks like to me is you are going on a wild guess that there is a drawbridge keeper who will be the backup watchman or another watchman(with VitR being the watchman).

If there is such a role you hope to draw him out into counterclaim so that the scum gain another target as you go down, if there is no such role you are hoping that this somehow gets you off the lynching block.

It's win-win play for you considering if you claim just miller then you will be probably lynched.

See the problem with your calculation(little gambit) here is that in all of our revealed players, the format of revelation upon death has been Role -- Flavor.

Such as, Townie - Peasant
or
Watchman - Portcullis Keeper.


What you are claiming to be is:

Miller -Prince's Page/Drawbridge Keeper.

Why sir is it that every dead player so far has ONE flavor per role while YOU are claiming to have TWO flavors?

This does not add up to a truthful claim imo.(I honestly don't see jelly deciding to have 1 role with 2 flavors when the setup so far has been all Role-Flavor)

You can keep squirming scum. but you're going down.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Prove yourself?
I call BS

You haven't even specified what your role does, in fact, in your claim, you say that you don't know what the drawbridge does. Sounds like someone who is just trying to make up BS as fast as he can.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Actually, I claimed Drawbridge Keeper - Prince's Page. The miller part I have no idea about, but I can only gesture that it comes from the fact that I work for the Prince. All

I

knew from my role is that I work for the prince but I don't like the Royal Family.

The Portcullis is down, sealing the first exit.
The Drawbridge is raised, sealing the second exit.
The Jail is empty, and locked.

As for proving my role, I don't know what the drawbridge does, but I

can

prove that I control it by lowering the drawbridge. I have specified my role's abilities, Pooky, contrary to what you claim. The only thing I can do is pull the level to lower the drawbridge, or not pull the lever. That's it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I have to call BS on that


VitaminR is marked down as
23.) VitaminR, Watchman, Portcullis Keeper, killed N5

You are claiming to be Drawbridge Keeper, Prince's Page.

Notice the disconnect? why would Portcullis Keeper be flavor while Drawbridge Keeper be a role? It simply does not make sense.

Also, ALL the previous roles that have been revealed have been fairly standard stuff;
townie, vigilante, mafia spy, mafia traitor, watchman.(there is pretty much no flavor in the role itself)

However you are claiming to have a role where the actual role is "Drawbridge Keeper"

I find this to be inconsistent with the roles that have been revealed so far and ergo the probable game setup.

How the hell does the drawbridge being lowered prove anything? Why would a royal family member not be able to lower the drawbridge? what the hell does it even do? Your role isn't "provable" in the sense that we can not infer your guilt/innocence from whether the drawbridge is lowered or not.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Pooky, it's not like I know exactly what my role is going to show up as. I'm just using your assumptions of what my role would be described as and correcting what you've said to the best of my knowledge. I don't have a clue what "order" my role will be listed in, nor did I really consider it when I posted before. In addition, if you expect a royal family member to be in control of the drawbridge, then why was a rebel in control of the porticullis, which is inside of the drawbridge? The drawbridge and porticullis are usually right behind each other in a castle, so I'm not seeing the logic you're using to assume that scum would control the drawbridge.