Consulmaker - Carthage wins!

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'll give you guys a deadline extension. 5 days.

BM, I always put a Vote Count at the top of the page. Asking for one is silly.

"Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse." Vote Count

livingod - 3(Raffles, Battle Mage, Kison)
Kison - 1(Cephrir)
Battle Mage - 1(Rand Althor)

[Mastermind of Sin]

I would like to request a longer deadline extension than that. I will be gone for the next 3 days.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'm just giving you 5 days to make up for the downtime. I see no reason to extend it further.

[Twito]

Shanba(replacing Panzerjager) -
Panzerjager: claimed to have 2 veto's when chosen Tribune. I don't see this as too useful power. We don't need so many vetoes really. Let's assume one of our Consuls were to be scum we would still have 3 vetoes againts this Consul without the double veto power. The 4th doesn't really make that much of difference. I don't expect us to have that bloodthirsty Consuls and if we were to have we could just get rid of them the next day. Then there is the constant attack againts Battle Mage. Afterwards Panzerjager asked to be replaced.
Shanba: then replaced Panzerjager apparently read the game and gave his opinions on everybody. later on he has dissapeared.

Shanba/Panzerjager looks like town to me.

[Twito]

MOD:

Could we get a replacement on ubertimmy?

Vote: ubertimmy

Incase he is around and is simply not contributing.

[Battle Mage]

i think i should be voting for TEOM. Certainly he is the scummiest person here by far.

Vote: TEOM

[TheEyeOfMordor]

And your reasoning is.....
A: I am attacking you so I must be scummy
B: My hypocritical analysis of Zindaras
C: My lying about your statement of Panzer
The above reasons are the only ones you have given and I do not agree with all of them.
To A, even though somebody is attacking you does not mean he is scum. A well balanced town player will tend to attack things he does not agree with.
To B, I believe Zindaras and I are using a different approach for handling you. I believe my approach has been more consistent and I have never changed from it. Zindaras, apart from a few gambits started to really attack you day 2.
To C, I disagree. You attacked me for my out of game reference and then you said something entirely differnet. Which one of your statements is your opinion?

[Battle Mage]

lol im not even sure why im dignifying you with a response. ive given my argument, and its been previously clarified, before it got lost in the crash. however, i cant resist hammering the nail in the coffin when i catch scum
A. You aren't really attacking me. i believe you were at some point, but not when i made my analysis.
B. There was a hell of alot more in depth analysis than that.
C. That never really came into it. its just something i felt the need to comment on. It certainly didnt HELP your image.

To cut a long story short, your playing down of the case against you wont work. if the Consuls are in any doubt about you being scum, i request that they read through your posts, and then say the same.

BM

And your reasoning is.....
A: I am attacking you so I must be scummy
B: My hypocritical analysis of Zindaras
C: My lying about your statement of Panzer
The above reasons are the only ones you have given and I do not agree with all of them.
To A, even though somebody is attacking you does not mean he is scum. A well balanced town player will tend to attack things he does not agree with.
To B, I believe Zindaras and I are using a different approach for handling you. I believe my approach has been more consistent and I have never changed from it. Zindaras, apart from a few gambits started to really attack you day 2.
To C, I disagree. You attacked me for my out of game reference and then you said something entirely differnet. Which one of your statements is your opinion?

[TheEyeOfMordor]

And in my opinion it didn't help your analysis either.
So as far as I can tell, point B and around there is where your reasoning is based on.
And after the crash you still haven't written down any reasons for why you thought I was scummy, you are just referring to your analysis that was and isn't anymore. From what is written here I highly doubt that any Consul would want to execute me.

[Battle Mage]

so you admit that the case i had written was enough to lynch you?
the fact that you are hanging so desperately onto the fact that the analysis is gone confirms my suspicions further.
I will rewrite it at some point. for now however i will oppose any execution not against TEOM. I think most players, including consuls, read my analysis of TEOM. Definitely the play for today.
BM

And in my opinion it didn't help your analysis either.
So as far as I can tell, point B and around there is where your reasoning is based on.
And after the crash you still haven't written down any reasons for why you thought I was scummy, you are just referring to your analysis that was and isn't anymore. From what is written here I highly doubt that any Consul would want to execute me.

[TheEyeOfMordor]

No, I won't admit that. If your case was good enough to lynch me I would be dead by now. However I cannot just say, your case is BS. That would be wrong. Although it may be my belief that there is little to know evidence in your case other people might disagree. So I put forth my defence, letter by letter. And because I can't defend myself so from shadow accusations I ask for your accusation. It is one thing to say TEOM is scum. That usually doesn't get you anywhere unless you explain it further. Another thing entirely is to build a balanced case up. You had a case but since it disappeared I would ask you to write it up again. Then I will be able to defend myself point by point and disprove your case.

[Battle Mage]

you already had your opportunity to defend yourself from the case, and those who were active will know that you failed tremendously.
try not to plead ignorance to the statements made against you, it only confirms your scumminess in my mind. i wont rewrite the case for the inactives who werent here, for their contribution isnt likely in any event.
BM

No, I won't admit that. If your case was good enough to lynch me I would be dead by now. However I cannot just say, your case is BS. That would be wrong. Although it may be my belief that there is little to know evidence in your case other people might disagree. So I put forth my defence, letter by letter. And because I can't defend myself so from shadow accusations I ask for your accusation. It is one thing to say TEOM is scum. That usually doesn't get you anywhere unless you explain it further. Another thing entirely is to build a balanced case up. You had a case but since it disappeared I would ask you to write it up again. Then I will be able to defend myself point by point and disprove your case.

[Raffles]

BM, you have a case of superiority complex there.

[Battle Mage]

please explain.

BM, you have a case of superiority complex there.

[Raffles]

Well, you seem to have got it in your head that you are the lord of all worlds.

[Battle Mage]

youve lost me now...
please can you explain what you mean in a little more depth? lol

Well, you seem to have got it in your head that you are the lord of all worlds.

[Raffles]

lol im not even sure why im dignifying you with a response. ive given my argument, and its been previously clarified, before it got lost in the crash. however, i cant resist hammering the nail in the coffin when i catch scum

you already had your opportunity to defend yourself from the case, and those who were active will know that you failed tremendously.

Reads to me like "Bow down to me, you inferior scum! (Pun intended)" I felt uncomfortable because I saw appeal to emotion.

[Kison]

BM, please post your analysis again? Even if it is just a summary, it's better than us having to go off of imaginary posts.

[TheEyeOfMordor]

@BM
You said: B. There was a hell of alot more in depth analysis than that.
I don't remember said in depth analysis. When I made my points those were the few that I remembered. Other people may or may not remember more then I do.
It is impossible to defend yourself from TEOM is scum, TEOM is scum. It is also almost impossible to lynch somebody with that. That is the only thing I am seeing from you.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm just giving you 5 days to make up for the downtime. I see no reason to extend it further.

I'll give you a reason. At least one of your consuls wasn't even

around

during the so-called "generous" extension.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Initial LoE: Battle Mage, Kison, Raffles, Zindaras

This is

VERY

subject to change, but unless our mod sees common sense, we're in a bit of a rush, so that's what I've got so far. I had them marked down in my notes as possible executions, but I didn't actually have my reasoning written down, and having lost a lot from the crash isn't going to help. I'll try to see what I can do tomorrow, but we'll see. Perhaps my illustrious Co-Consul would like to post his own LoE and/or comment on mine?

[Battle Mage]

lol thats odd considering earlier on you were quick to assure me that you didnt think i was the execution for today. care to explain what has changed, and also why am i on the LoE and not TEOM?
BM

Initial LoE: Battle Mage, Kison, Raffles, Zindaras

This is

VERY

subject to change, but unless our mod sees common sense, we're in a bit of a rush, so that's what I've got so far. I had them marked down in my notes as possible executions, but I didn't actually have my reasoning written down, and having lost a lot from the crash isn't going to help. I'll try to see what I can do tomorrow, but we'll see. Perhaps my illustrious Co-Consul would like to post his own LoE and/or comment on mine?

[Raffles]

I find that list interesting, because it's an identical list to Zindie except Zindie is in it.

[Raffles]

Also, Kison, BM and I are only people voting for livingod. MoS, if you agree with Zindie, why is he on the list?

[Kison]

Raffles is in your list? Why...?