Mafia 60: Face-to-Face - Game over!

[Patrick]

You mean this one?

I can't imagine scum would have taken the risk that I took.

How exactly do you consider killing a scumbuddy and covering the tracks of a supposed cop a risk for a scumbag?

It doesn't seem a stretch for MBL to think Glork may have been a cop. Earlier on in the game I had also thought the same thing.

[Glork]

I can't imagine scum would have taken the risk that I took.

How exactly do you consider killing a scumbuddy and covering the tracks of a supposed cop a risk for a scumbag?

Oh gee, I donno... reducing your own numbers while defending and not killing the one role that can condemn you without a shadow of a doubt...... nah, you're right. No risk at all. [/sarcasm]

[Mgm]

reducing your own numbers while defending and not killing the one role that can condemn you without a shadow of a doubt...

Neither the person he thought was a cop nor the real one was a lynch target yesterday, trying to vote them would've been stupid, but who says he didn't kill him during the night? Don't you think defending a scumbuddy is more dangerous?

[MrBuddyLee]

Please prod or replace Zindaras.

[Thesp]

Both myself and CES have covered this already. That posted was intended to make CES look bad, but if it was put into context with the claim he'd look a lot better.

I strongly, strongly disagree with you here. If CES actually was fully swayed by the claim, and his posts suggested that as well, I think you'd have a point. However,

if you look at what CES posted

, it's not anywhere as clear as he claims that the claim actually did change his mind as strongly as he intones it did. You haven't really commented on the substance of my prior post, you've merely repeated the (false?*) assertion that CES was actually ready to string up CDB and helped push the CDB wagon when CES insists he did after the fact. I don't think his posts support him. I'm just trying to pin you down now on the claim that you think his posts

do

support him.

* - in my humble and accurate opinion

Almost didn't notice this -

CDB was already a lost cause. If any scum associated themselves with him, I'd be very surprised. I'm convinced scum was early on the wagon to look innocent.

Aren't you trying to insist CES was actually on the CDB wagon early? I'm surprised by your seeming double-mind on this.

[Patrick]

CDB was already a lost cause. If any scum associated themselves with him, I'd be very surprised. I'm convinced scum was early on the wagon to look innocent.

At what point exactly do you think that CDB became a lost cause?

[Nightfall]

Please prod or replace Zindaras.

Please prod or replace Ether too.

[Glork]

Please prod or replace Zindaras.

Please prod or replace Ether too.

Eh, Ether posted a couple of days ago. I think we need to keep pressuring her, as I believe she is deliberately/actively lurking.


Also, keep in mind people that Stoof said his policy is modkill rather than replacement. I'm wondering if we can get a replacement provided we find a suitable, active player, but it's really up to Stoof. I'd much rather prefer replacement over modkilling for Ether and/or Zindie, but I'd honestly be okay with a Zindaras modkil at this point.

[Ether]

What I posted was a glorified List: the numbers spelled out how steep each step was.

The mental image of vanillaFritz dead and MBLscum having to explain himself today

then

is pretty messy, which is definitely a point in the latter's favor; also, I had the same Channelcop confusion in the first place as Glork did. I'm definitely not interested in Mgm's specific attack. Hmm--MBL, what did you think about Glork's attacks on Thesp earlier in his PBP?

(I should probably reiterate why I'm unhappy with Nightfall--but I never did get the hang of having a curfew and it's hit. My inner clock tends to say, "psst, you should probably start typing" at the point where my parents are fingering my cable disapprovingly.)

[Mgm]

Both myself and CES have covered this already. That posted was intended to make CES look bad, but if it was put into context with the claim he'd look a lot better.

I strongly, strongly disagree with you here. If CES actually was fully swayed by the claim, and his posts suggested that as well, I think you'd have a point. However,

if you look at what CES posted

, it's not anywhere as clear as he claims that the claim actually did change his mind as strongly as he intones it did. You haven't really commented on the substance of my prior post, you've merely repeated the (false?*) assertion that CES was actually ready to string up CDB and helped push the CDB wagon when CES insists he did after the fact. I don't think his posts support him. I'm just trying to pin you down now on the claim that you think his posts

do

support him.

* - in my humble and accurate opinion

Almost didn't notice this -

CDB was already a lost cause. If any scum associated themselves with him, I'd be very surprised. I'm convinced scum was early on the wagon to look innocent.

Aren't you trying to insist CES was actually on the CDB wagon early? I'm surprised by your seeming double-mind on this.

I'm not saying he was on the wagon early because he wasn't. I'm saying that the claim changed his mind, but just to be sure, I'll check his posts. Anyway, I wouldn't have any right to string up CES because of this. I was probably the very last player to be swayed and I was on the fence about it until CDB was actually dead.

Patrick:That comment was in response to MBL who said he was looking for people commenting on their scumbuddy. I believe no self-respecting scum would do that. Scum who want to look innocent vote their partner (though admittedly, not neccesarily all that early) He may have been a lost cause when the first 3 votes of the bandwagon were on him. Other people showed interest in lynching him and the bandwagoners in general were not swayed by his claim. There's no way that wagon would've dissolved based on who was on that wagon.

The mental image of vanillaFritz dead and MBLscum having to explain himself today then is pretty messy,

How so?

[Mr Stoofer]

Hi everyone, I'm back. I hope you didn't miss me too much!

Vote Count

Cogito Ergo Sum: 3 (Nightfall Thesp MBL)
Zindaras: 2 (Patrick Glork)
Patrick: 1 (Mgm)
Nightfall: 1 (Ether)

Not voting: Zindaras CES

Looking for

5

votes for a lynch!

And you had better all check that you are happy with this Vote Count as being accurate, because this is what I am going to go off from now on. If you think your vote ought to be somewhere else, just go ahead and move it by unvoting/voting

MOD

- In theory, if we did have a deputy who became a cop and then was either nightkilled or lynched, would his card upon death be that of a cop? or of a deputy?

Their card would be that of a Deputy.

[Mr Stoofer]

Zindaras has been prodded.

BTW, because this is a game consisting of active players only, the punishment for lurking will be modkilling, not replacement.

[Mr Stoofer]

Zindaras has promised me that he will post; although I'm sad to say that since then he has posted elsewhere on the site but not here. I think I'll modkill him if he doesn't post within 48 hours.

[Glork]

Will a modkill end the day?

[Mr Stoofer]

Depends on how I feel at the time. I'm optimistic that it won't be necessary.

___

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Does it matter? If it doesn't, we're going to have to no-lynch at some point anyhow.

[Patrick]

I wouldn't mind Zindaras being modkilled in the sense that I think he's scum, though I think we'd get more information from lynching in the normal way.

[Glork]

Does it matter? If it doesn't, we're going to have to no-lynch at some point anyhow.

Er, no we don't. We no-lynched D2, so we have an odd number of players for each day, from here on out.

[Glork]

Oh, I misread. Nevermind, I'm dumb. Still, I'd be okay with modkill+lynch, with a no-lynch down the road.

[Zindaras]

I am currently working on an analysis, the first part of which will be posted within a couple of hours. If you have any specific questions you wish to ask me, specific posts or players you wish for me to analyze, please post them as soon as possible.

[Zindaras]

Analysis, starting from the beginning. This may take a while to finish, as I am in a rather busy time. I'll pay specific attention to CDB here.

We start off with a semi-interesting random-voting stage. There is a Thespwagon. Cessy attempts to convince Glork to vote Thesp as well, but Glork doesn't, saying Thesp is "obv pro-town". Glork is unusually defensive of Thesp, FoSing Fritzler. Cessy and I strike a deal to vote Thesp/voidybuns. MBL joins Glork and Thesp. Patrick says Glork usually busses his scumbuddies and not defend them.

CDB

now jumps on the CES-wagon. Glork remains defensive of Thesp, voting Cessy and FoSing Patrick and me.

AndrewS's Post 45 ends the random-voting stage. While it was reasonably short, I do believe that it is interesting. Funnily, though we are a lot further into the game, some things have stayed the same. Glork is out to get me, Cessy is out to get Thesp. I don't really think this says a lot, but it's funny enough to mention. I think the most important post here is Post 36, by CDB. Day One behaviour, especially early on, is the most "pure". I think CDB's Cessyvote is definitely a point in favour of Cessy.

Post 45 is probably the post that defines Day One. For that reason, I shall list all reactions to the post, in chronological order.

Post 46 (Cessy): Just a FoS.
Post 47 (Patrick): Calls it a "mysterious suggestion", saying that the game will get underway as all other games will.
Post 48 (Zindaras): A FoS and calling it a weird suggestion.
Post 49 (AndrewS): In comes the Unvote, with a small explanation that we weren't getting anywhere.
Post 50 (Adele): In hops Adele (Town) with a vote for AndrewS, saying a vote for No Lynch is a vote for scum power.
Post 52 (MBL): Chosen not because it is a reaction, but because it is, to be honest, not a reaction at all. Saying Patrick's town, Glork's scum. The vote comes in 54.
Post 53 (voidybuns): Asking AndrewS if he's a newbie.
Post 55 (Patrick): Says he doesn't think AndrewS's suggestion makes it more likely he's scum.
Post 57 (voidybuns): Doesn't bother with the whole "No Lynch is bad" speech and votes Glork instead.
Post 59 (Thesp): Insists his vote on AndrewS is justified.
Post 65 (Ether): Votes AndrewS, saying it's odd that AndrewS didn't expect FoSes.
Post 66 (Fritzler): AndrewS isn't the play.
Post 72 (Glork): Says AndrewS is looking like a great alternative.
Post 73 (

CDB

): FoS, not convinced by the explanation.

I'm afraid the reactions don't end there, but my time does. The three reactions I find worth pointing out most are the ones by Patrick, MBL and Glork. Patrick because I really like it and think it's a towntell, MBL and Glork because they both post without actually giving their opinions on the AndrewS-issue. I find that scummy.

More later.

[MrBuddyLee]

Stoofer wrote that post for you, didn't he?

Zindy, can you please tell us who your gut tells you is scum based on your skimming/lurking, and briefly why?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Zindy, could you make me a case against Thesp? It would be appreciated. I'm sure you can find me something extra.

[Mr Stoofer]

OK guys, let's just carry on from here. We've lost a few days of debate, and some votes, but I think we can manage...

Vote Count (unchanged)

Cogito Ergo Sum: 3 (Nightfall Thesp MBL)
Zindaras: 2 (Patrick Glork)
Patrick: 1 (Mgm)
Nightfall: 1 (Ether)

Not voting: Zindaras CES

Looking for

5

votes for a lynch!

[Patrick]

How irritating. The only thing I remember saying that was lost was that I like Ether's case on Nightfall, awaiting Zindie's analysis, and would like Nightfall to tell me whether he thought Fritz was undercontributing even by Fritz standards at the point when he called him out. Also, Zindie's gut post was weird.