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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:31 pm

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5. Do not directly quote your role PM or outside conversations in the thread. Paraphrasing is ok.
I find using outside names falls under this ruling of not using outside conversation. It is confusing to other players. You can be familiar all you want, so long as you call people what they are known as on this site, or at least in this game. Still awaiting PWS to state his interpretation one way or another.

TSQ, Im not intimidated in the least by the gang attack on my request or motives. I stated twice politely that I didnt find it appropriate. The 3rd time was stating my intentions to request a replacement should the mod decide to ignore it.

One thing did come out of this. I've confirmed your claim that you lie constantly whether town or scum. You've twice stated that I started out bitching and moaning, when the following was an entirely polite way of broaching the subject.

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Shea? Jackie? This is practically secret code to those who dont know the names behind the players.


Ectomancer wrote:
I've gotten a little more comfortable with the answer, but I really wish people would not make these references to out of game situations or even refer to players as any name other than the one to the left when they post.


You could have taken either one of those opportunities to discuss what you were doing, but you didnt. Now, if you are quite done with the lies and exaggerations, lets get back to the game while I await a mod ruling on the use of outside names in the thread.
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:38 pm

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I apologize to the rest of the players. I realize this should have just been sent as a PM directly to the mod to avoid derailing the conversation.
Carry on, I shall lurk in the meantime.
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:39 pm

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Everyone shut the hell up about whatever stupid problems you have with nicknames and PLAY. SOME. MAFIA.
Everyone means everyone. Ecto, and TSQ, nobody else cares anymore. But don't even try to pretend you've been 'playing Mafia' all along. We've had maybe 2 pages of real discussion, in total. At this rate, the game will be finished sometime in June. Of next year.

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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:39 pm

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Unvote Vote: Ectomancer
until he friggen drops this already. Also, as AniX was doing earlier, perhaps it would be best to point out any inside jokes while making them.

Also, coming soon: BHNY does a D1 pbp.
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:49 pm

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Thestatusquo wrote:You know what. There're just some things you're going to have to deal with with mafia games.

1) People will know each other outside of a game context. They will therefore interact with each other with a little bit more familiarity that with other players. This is completely normal. Unless it starts actually effecting the game (I.E. If aniX suddenly decided that he was not going to vote CPE because he likes him a lot.) it's your job to deal with it.
You mean like if its interfering with other people understanding who you are talking to and what about? Its affecting the game. YOU deal with it.
Thestatusquo wrote:It's an inherency on a mafia site that some people have been here a lot, and will have played, talked, interacted with others more than you have. There has not been one thing in this game that was game related that 1) was so incomprehensible that it couldn't be figured out, or 2) That was game related (I.E. not an obvious joke.) The onus is on you, as players. This is not a problem with this game, but instead with forum mafia where people know each other. You're going to have to deal. Furthermore, if you had ASKED instead of bitched and moaned about people using nick names, we would have just told it to you, and then it wouldn't be 'elitist, and cliquey.' The only reason it was, was because you didn't make the effort to find out what was going on, but instead tried to bitch and moan.
No one complained at first, it was just requested that you stop. But it doesn't matter - the request was unnecessary, DONT do it. Its disrespectful to the people you're playing with, and its discourteous to the mod by creating a large amount of contention in the game. It isn't up for US to make the effort to understand your pseudonyms, your out of game discussions and your personal references. It's for YOU to leave them out of the game. If you want to chat, go on AIM and chat.
Thestatusquo wrote:2) People will play with playstyles different from yours. This is my playstyle. I am not going to modify it for you, or anyone else in this world. I am not playing this way to confuse you, and I am not playing this way because of you, I am playing this way because this is how I enjoy my mafia.
No ones asking you to change how you PLAY THE GAME (which doesn't include side conversations), just accept the consequences of your choices without getting mad at someone else about them. You actions bring about a negative response in other people. You don't have to change, you just have to accept what happens because of them.
Thestatusquo wrote:We are playing mafia, you are not. All you are doing is complaining, bitching, and trying to find fault with what everyone else is doing, when it is pretty much par for the course. I suggest you stop trying to make the site change, and instead adapt to the site, or you are not going to have very much fun here.
No WE are playing mafia - you are trying to socialize with your friends. You have yet to contribute to this game in any real way. I've never been in a game on this site where there has been as much rude and disrespectful behavior as in this one - and I have been playing here for over a year.

There is a certain amount of meta that goes on in a mafia game - so familiarity with other people does come into play with how people perceive actions. However, that's completely different than bringing outside conversations and experiences that have occurred between people from outside the game that other people in the game can't relate to. Using other names to address players is inappropriate and disrespectful unless people are used to seeing those names. I don't want to have to look up in my notes every time someone refers to someone as Shea to figure out who that is. And your and Anix's reaction to Ecto's very reasonable request is offensive
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:05 pm

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Does it matter if he is socializing? you say you arent fighting the playstyle, then hit him for socialising. contraditory? @BHNY: Day 1 pbpas are always crap, so dont do one. Thats my stance, especially on page 6 of a game, we are barely into real discussion, no need to attack people for spam.
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:19 pm

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VOTE: Be Happy New Year


That's the second really bad bandwagon you've jumped on to, with little to no mafia related reason.
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:46 pm

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BeHappyNewyear wrote:
DeanWinchester wrote:I have had some experience with him. It is not unusual for him to push some one with no reasoning, but this one sit's uneasily with me.
Right now I can't think of any card in PC that would suit a jester though.
I think the bulk of the discussion right now is going no where.
I know it's not technically PC, but there was Stuffy Doll in Time Spiral. He/she/it might work.

(Also, in the process of rereading.)
Problem with Stuffy Doll is the indestructible part. Im not sure Quagmire's play is one of a jester either. Still, I'd like to hear why other than "he wants to" for his vote.

unvote

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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:36 pm

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Thestatusquo wrote:
VOTE: Be Happy New Year


That's the second really bad bandwagon you've jumped on to, with little to no mafia related reason.
I can get behind this one.
Unvote, Vote BHNY


I think Quagmire just wants to lynch Anix, I don't see much into that. I think lynching Anix is generally a good plan on principal too :-D but there's much better stuff to work with.
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:48 am

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Ectomancer wrote:Problem with Stuffy Doll is the indestructible part. Im not sure Quagmire's play is one of a jester either. Still, I'd like to hear why other than "he wants to" for his vote.

unvote

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there is no other reason
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:32 am

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AniX wrote:I believe discussion last focused on The Prof. Quag and his refusal to play the game.
i believe that i'm playing the game, good sir

now we need to kill you in order to benefit the town
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:13 am

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I think Quag and AniX are trying too hard to make it look like they don't like each other, and doing a horrible job at it. Vote stays.
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:28 am

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Quagmire wrote:
AniX wrote:I believe discussion last focused on The Prof. Quag and his refusal to play the game.
i believe that i'm playing the game, good sir

now we need to kill you in order to benefit the town
What benefit will the town derive from an Anix lynch? It seems not to matter to you whether he is town or scum, only that the lynch will somehow benefit the town.
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:20 am

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Ectomancer wrote:
Quagmire wrote:
AniX wrote:I believe discussion last focused on The Prof. Quag and his refusal to play the game.
i believe that i'm playing the game, good sir

now we need to kill you in order to benefit the town
What benefit will the town derive from an Anix lynch? It seems not to matter to you whether he is town or scum, only that the lynch will somehow benefit the town.
let's establish a couple of important principles first.

1) Each player has an equal chance of being mafia, just because roles are given out randomly.
2) AniX is by far the most worthless and annoying person in this game.

since each person has an equal chance to be mafia, killing off the biggest moron will provide the town the greatest happiness simply because the town doesn't have to deal with that person anymore. and hey, what do you know? he has the same chance of being mafia as anyone else!

anix is the play today.
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:24 am

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Well, put it this way, it's better to lynch than to not lynch. Quag
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right about equality of chance. The thing I don't get is why you call AniX the most worthless player in the game. Sure, he and Ectomancer have been arguing, but StatusQuo was ranting and raving for a good two pages as well. Then again, I've never played with half of you all, so I wouldn't know from outside experience.
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:42 am

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Kison wrote:Well, put it this way, it's better to lynch than to not lynch. Quag
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right about equality of chance. The thing I don't get is why you call AniX the most worthless player in the game. Sure, he and Ectomancer have been arguing, but StatusQuo was ranting and raving for a good two pages as well. Then again, I've never played with half of you all, so I wouldn't know from outside experience.
that's because shea is cool and knows what he's talking about. i don't know about his ranting and raving, because all of his posts have been way too long for me to read or pay attention to.

anix is worthless. you'll find out if you keep him in this game.

think of it this way: how much more information can we possibly find on day one?
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:14 am

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think of it this way: how much more information can we possibly find on day one?
Play a C9 game and maybe you'll see. And maybe if you read posts as well.

Also, who's shea? I've never seen him post.

So far, you seem far more worthless a player to me, than AniX.
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:31 am

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Shea is that tool StatusQuo from what I've gotten out of the conversations.
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:38 am

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Right now, at best I could OMGUS AniX. I understand your reasoning, however that final sentence makes you a better play. It sounds like you are calling for a short end to the day by just lynching AniX and getting it out of the way. A short day one is not better for town.
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:36 am

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Comments on Be Happy new years insistance to join bandwagons without providing reasoning? Have I been the only one who noticed this?
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:44 am

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Shea is indeed Mr. Thestatusquo. Its both his real life first name AND his IM screen name, for double the trouble.

Quag, you are clearly pushing a random vote long past the time random voting ended, with the most generic reasoning to ever hit the mafia street (who all could be mafia, so lets lynch someone for my own personal reasons). Its quite clear that you just aren't interested in playing the game, so you go "Well, AniX annoys me because I used to be friends with him but I didn't grow up and he did, so I feel left out in the rain" and proceed to random vote me and then push the vote long past its expiration date, and you push it with one second "because I said so" statements to boot. But I'll play your game, since your game is basically the only thing we have thus far:Would you please elaborate on how exactly you perceive I'll be, as you say, "worthless" to the town? Because right now, one of us is wasting the town's talk time on a grudge vote, and that person isn't me.
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:50 am

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Ectomancer wrote:Right now, at best I could OMGUS AniX. I understand your reasoning, however that final sentence makes you a better play. It sounds like you are calling for a short end to the day by just lynching AniX and getting it out of the way. A short day one is not better for town.
that is a good point. from the looks of it, though, we're on a quick path to a lengthy day, even (especially, now that my voting anix is the discussion point at the moment) considering my voting of anix.
anix wrote:Quag, you are clearly pushing a random vote long past the time random voting ended, with the most generic reasoning to ever hit the mafia street (who all could be mafia, so lets lynch someone for my own personal reasons). Its quite clear that you just aren't interested in playing the game, so you go "Well, AniX annoys me because I used to be friends with him but I didn't grow up and he did, so I feel left out in the rain" and proceed to random vote me and then push the vote long past its expiration date, and you push it with one second "because I said so" statements to boot. But I'll play your game, since your game is basically the only thing we have thus far:Would you please elaborate on how exactly you perceive I'll be, as you say, "worthless" to the town? Because right now, one of us is wasting the town's talk time on a grudge vote, and that person isn't me.
well, what have you participated so far that hasn't already been said?

and also, this isn't a random vote and i wouldn't consider it generic reasoning. generic reasoning is voting for somebody based off of some speculation at actions. voting for me would be generic reasoning; "well, quagmire said x, so i think he's mafia."
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:22 am

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Quagmire wrote: well, what have you participated so far that hasn't already been said?

and also, this isn't a random vote and i wouldn't consider it generic reasoning. generic reasoning is voting for somebody based off of some speculation at actions. voting for me would be generic reasoning; "well, quagmire said x, so i think he's mafia."
What is there to say that hasn't been already said on day 1, especially a day 1 where we have had no night kill the night before. What I have done, and you have not, is actually tried to work with what information we have had to try to get to a point, whereas you go "I don't like AniX. vote vote vote.", and any evidence that isn't related to me is totally ignored by you. Someone could claim mafia, and since it doesn't fit the vote you "want" to make, its trash to you.

So I ask you: What have you done that wasn't counterproductive to the town getting scum? I think derailing conversation with your admitted "I want to" vote is worse than anything Aeyln (who I believe is our town's token lurker, with all of two posts and thus could be considered the most "worthless" under your guidelines) could do by not being here at all.
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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:00 pm

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Aelyn, who do you think is the play today and why?
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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:15 pm

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AniX wrote:
Quagmire wrote: well, what have you participated so far that hasn't already been said?

and also, this isn't a random vote and i wouldn't consider it generic reasoning. generic reasoning is voting for somebody based off of some speculation at actions. voting for me would be generic reasoning; "well, quagmire said x, so i think he's mafia."
What is there to say that hasn't been already said on day 1, especially a day 1 where we have had no night kill the night before. What I have done, and you have not, is actually tried to work with what information we have had to try to get to a point, whereas you go "I don't like AniX. vote vote vote.", and any evidence that isn't related to me is totally ignored by you. Someone could claim mafia, and since it doesn't fit the vote you "want" to make, its trash to you.

So I ask you: What have you done that wasn't counterproductive to the town getting scum? I think derailing conversation with your admitted "I want to" vote is worse than anything Aeyln (who I believe is our town's token lurker, with all of two posts and thus could be considered the most "worthless" under your guidelines) could do by not being here at all.
i am just as much working with the information as you. this is because THERE IS NO INFORMATION. there also will not be any information on a game starting with day one, so rest assured that any "information" that you think you're using is purely speculation and nothing more. keep that in mind.

and, as a side note, if someone claimed mafia, i would vote for them. however, that's not going to happen -- neither is any sure (or reasonably sure) day one vote. so, let's play this by statistics.

i have done nothing counterproductive to the town. tell me what i have done that's counterproductive? with that said, i can't tell you that i've done anything productive for the town because nothing has happened yet -- you can say the same thing.

except you're anix. and i want to lynch you.

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