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[Skruffs]

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“What's draining is that every day you're up early and there's no sleeping in.
Each day it's getting harder and harder to wake up. We can't control any of
that and unfortunately we didn't get to finish and so I'll be up early again.”
~ Todd Fischer

Panzerjager -2- (PBuG, Fircoal)
PBuG -2- (Jingolaw. Panzerjager)
Fircoal -1- (Thestatusquo)
Not voting -4- (Elias_the_thief, bird1111, Cpt_Fantastic, CoG888)

With 9 alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

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GeneralCF has replaced bird1111

Cpt_Fantastic has replaced Ripley

(at Ripley's request). Please welcome him into your hearts, minds, and ... we'll leave it at that.

[Thestatusquo]

I love you big brother.

[PJ.]

Hey, Skruffs. your vote count is

wrong

AWESOME!:D

. It says PBuG is at

2

when both Jingolaw and I are voting him.

You rock, MOD!

[PJ.]

EBWOP:

CoG: I said once Elias laid the vote, I would hammer. I did what I promised. I was under the impression that Elias would have my back if it came down to lynching me for hammering. Also, I don't like how you are clearing PBuG from having a kill role for not killing who he was voting or FoSing. That's basically saying you expect the Vig, Serial Killer or the Mafia to leave a trail of FoSes on who their night kills are. Wouldn't that draw suspicion? Even if he is a vig, which I'm pretty sure he isn't, I don't think he would kill where his FoSes were and his vote was in fear of leading the Mafia or SK to him. Vigs like to survive to kill night and night again. If you are gonna clear him, it shouldn't be based on his FoSes not being dead. It's like saying someone has to be a cop because they led a lynch on a player that was not town aligned.

[CoG888]

PJ: My apologies. I thought you said you would hammer when the town was in agreement, but apparently you said you would hammer when elias put him at -1.

As for pbug, I did not mean that I expected to see one of his FOSes die, but that I expected some logical connection between the dead and those he called out on day one. I guess what I am saying is I am trying to rationalize the deaths and I don't see motivation for pbug killing either Nai or IH... And not because they were not good targets, but because their were others that seemed more likely targets....

I am way over analyzing this, but I am not getting scummy vibes from anyone at the moment, and that makes me nervous. We could be at lynch or lose today, depending on the number and type of killers.

[PJ.]

If you are looking at connections then TSQ would be a killer. He has strong connections to both Nai and IH. My only arguement is that I don't see any reason why there would be a connection between the dead and the killer. That is the scum's objective. Not be found out. So if they kill who could be rationally linked to them, wouldn't they be easy to find. Yes, this is wifom but still shouldn't clea anyone. Say you were scum and you killed me because people view us as connected. I'm protown. And you come out during day and say see "look guys I'm protown." I'm sure someone would be like, no. I know I'm using exetreme hypothetical situation but all I am trying to proove is that you can be scum no matter where the kills goes.

[Thestatusquo]

I would argue that PBuG has connected himself to me strongly as well.

[Jingolaw]

As for pbug, I did not mean that I expected to see one of his FOSes die, but that I expected some logical connection between the dead and those he called out on day one. I guess what I am saying is I am trying to rationalize the deaths and I don't see motivation for pbug killing either Nai or IH... And not because they were not good targets, but because their were others that seemed more likely targets....

That’s all well and good, but remember I think (and you suspected at one point) that PbuG is SK..so we don’t need a rational relationship between FoS and kills. SK wins by staying alive no matter which side would otherwise win, so literally random kills benefit SK early on.

...you can be scum no matter where the kills goes.

agreed.

With 3 town down and no real good leads on scum on Day 2, I think it’s to the SK’s benefit to kill likely townies...I don’t see why the SK would try to find scum at this point.

We could be at lynch or lose today, depending on the number and type of killers.

Exactly. So why wouldn’t the SK nail a suspected townie for the possible win?

I’d also like to remind everyone that we’re unsure of the number of scum, and we’re also unsure that there are only 2 alignments (3 counting a SK...assuming it’s a traditional SK, which it may not be). I’ve been analyzing based on the assumption that roles were more or less traditional, and I’m thinking that it was a mistake to do so.

Heck, there could even be alignment-switching roles, since I’m pretty sure that some roles change at least a little bit over time.

My vote stays with PbuG as SK (assuming he’s trying to win this turn or next by nailing town).

[Elias_the_thief]

EBWOP:

CoG: I said once Elias laid the vote, I would hammer. I did what I promised. I was under the impression that Elias would have my back if it came down to lynching me for hammering.

yeah, youre right about that. I was under the impression that you were going to put it down when we were in agreement, but you were just doing what you said you would.

Anyways, i'd like to hear some more content from TSQ. when he, er, had his post restriction, he complained that he couldnt make an in depth post. i dont see whats stopping him now.

[PJ.]

Skruffs, Your a funny guy. I like what you did to my reminder.

[CoG888]

bird reads too slow.

FOS: bird1111

for lurking. 5 posts in 13 pages?

[PJ.]

All he has been doing is telling us he is rereading. He did say he agreed with an MG lynch but that is the only thing off importance. I will join the wagon and

FoS:Bird

I think he is the best option outside of PBuG.

[TBuG]

Unvote, Vote: bird1111

Panzer ain't getting lynched anytime soon.

I agree that an SK would kill those that they did suspect at all for the sake of covering tracks, so I guess logic does point to me as SK. But, like I said, in this game,

I

as an SK would

probably

try to target mafia first.

[bird1111]

Go ahead and replace me, I doubt I'll get around to reading this.

Ask and ye shall receive. Welcome GeneralCF to the game, everyone! ~mod

[Skruffs]

Outside Joe's bedroom window, a hummingbird lands at it's feeder and begins to sing. It's a beautiful sound, but Joe doesn't hear it, because he closed the window.

Hope you all have a song-bird-iffic spring!

[PJ.]

Was that just flavor for bird leaving?

[Skruffs]

Yeah, it was just a bump post. Has nothing to do with the game.

[PJ.]

Sweet on that note, let's get back to lynching PBuG shall we?

[TBuG]

Vote: Panzerjager

Which we weren't doing. There's two votes on me.

[CoG888]

Two votes on both of you... -3...
People have stated reasons to lynch both of you, and frankly, I am on the fence.

Welcome, Captain, and General! What are your thoughts on things? Cpt_Fantastic, have you had time to read the thread?

[Elias_the_thief]

i dont feel that ive heard a strong case for either. im still unhappy that TSQ is barely posting, and when he does post, not posting more than a sentance. if someone could actually present a decent case for pbug of panzer i could be convinced to vote.

[CoG888]

Let me clarify my previous post.... I am not "on the fence"... More like I have no reason to vote for either of them yet.

[Jingolaw]

:shrug: I think I've laid out some pretty good reasons to suspect PBuG as SK. Rock solid? No. But enough to lynch, so long as we've nothing better to go on.

I'll wait for GeneralCF to post something (anything), but bird looked scummy enough to warrant a

FoS at GeneralCF

even now.

[Cpt_Fantastic]

Hey people. I'm the replacement for Ripley. Let the pouncing begin!

Vote PBug

Everyone's allowed one mistake. I bolded for him. ~~mod

[GeneralCF]

Sorry guys, I wasnt able to post here.
Some random bug.
I wont post now, i have to read to cast a vote.