NY 168: (GAME OVER) The Mod is Dead, Fire and Ice Edition

[T S O]

We should all massclaim, I guess.

Town 1-shot Neighbouriser.

[RachMarie]

As I said before I am VT

[Bulbazak]

@Bulba:

Misrep. I do not like people calling themselves lynchbait, but that is not the most substantial reason for voting her. First, POE basically restricts the lynch pool to myself, Pere, and Rach. Second, she would be a fire maf in all likelyhood, which means her accurate push on aptil is irrelevant. Third, her reaction to the Desp lynch was just plain bad. Fourth, I have not read the entire thread that closely so I apologize if I missed something.

You

did

call her suspicious for saying she was low-hanging fruit. How am I misrepping you? Was that not a point against her?

If she were actually low-hanging fruit she would be dead by definition. Unless our definitions differ.

Low-hanging fruit are easy targets for a mislynch. That does not necessarily mean that they

will

be mislynched.

This is a useless question, only meant to make it look as if you're trying to figure things out. Garmr has already stated that both teams are all vanilla. We have no reason to doubt him, because he was throwing the game at the time. This means that he would have been completely truthful in everything he was saying.

I agree that he could have been truthful. Why not mod-confirm it? I already said I consider you both confirmed town. Why would you not rather actually be confirmed town?

Common sense tells us we're looking at even scum teams. Simple setup spec tells us we're likely looking at a low power game, meaning all vanilla teams. Also, this is a question that the mod will

never answer

. It's only purpose is to make you look good by asking it. Also, what's with the conf. town question? It almost sounds threatening. Also, as TSO said, I'm not conf. town.

Great. So one of Pere and I is scum. Game solved.

I have a strong town read on Pere.

Also, I'm a VT.

[Aegor]

VT

You

did

call her suspicious for saying she was low-hanging fruit. How am I misrepping you? Was that not a point against her?

No, I did not. You are more than welcome to quote

an explicit statement of mine

if you feel differently; I will concede then.

Low-hanging fruit are easy targets for a mislynch. That does not necessarily mean that they

will

be mislynched.

If scum consistently refuses to push a mislynch on low-hanging fruit, it seems that the fruit is not so low-hanging after all. In this case, potentiality need become reality for the definition of low-hanging to be fulfilled, otherwise we are simply making theoretical statements about how difficult it would be to lynch someone who is never actually lynched.

Common sense tells us we're looking at even scum teams. Simple setup spec tells us we're likely looking at a low power game, meaning all vanilla teams. Also, this is a question that the mod will

never answer

. It's only purpose is to make you look good by asking it. Also, what's with the conf. town question? It almost sounds threatening. Also, as TSO said, I'm not conf. town.

This line of questioning is simply over if your only argument is to a motivation that only I know. I was simply confused about how Garmr could be completely 100% certain that the neighborizer is town. And that question clearly did not make me look good, and although I am a terrible player, surely you are not claiming that I am so naïve as to believe that asking such a question will gain me any towncred at all.

[Bulbazak]

You

did

call her suspicious for saying she was low-hanging fruit. How am I misrepping you? Was that not a point against her?

No, I did not. You are more than welcome to quote

an explicit statement of mine

if you feel differently; I will concede then.

Oh, that's right. You didn't

say

it. You implied it. With emotes. That way when someone called you out, you could say, "I never

said

that. Misrep!", because calling misrep makes you look like a victim, and therefore, townier.

If scum consistently refuses to push a mislynch on low-hanging fruit, it seems that the fruit is not so low-hanging after all. In this case, potentiality need become reality for the definition of low-hanging to be fulfilled, otherwise we are simply making theoretical statements about how difficult it would be to lynch someone who is never actually lynched.

I never said that scum refuse to push such a mislynch. What happens in the case of low-hanging fruit not being lynched is that some town players noticed what was going on and called the lynch out for what it was. You never see a claim that X is low-hanging fruit after the fact, only during the push. If the term was only reserved for those who got lynched, this wouldn't be the case.

[Aegor]

Oh, that's right. You didn't

say

it. You implied it. With emotes. That way when someone called you out, you could say, "I never

said

that. Misrep!", because calling misrep makes you look like a victim, and therefore, townier.

That is complete BS. I am sorry that you are incapable of restricting your reading to what is posted, but that is not my problem. Surely I can comment on something without it being a reason to think someone is town or scum.

I never said that scum refuse to push such a mislynch.

Until they do, it makes no sense to label something low-hanging fruit. The fact that it is low-hanging can only be validated

ex post facto

.

What happens in the case of low-hanging fruit not being lynched is that some town players noticed what was going on and called the lynch out for what it was. You never see a claim that X is low-hanging fruit after the fact, only during the push. If the term was only reserved for those who got lynched, this wouldn't be the case.

Players did not; Rach stated it several times. Anyway, this discussion is inane and semantic and no longer helpful IMO, having revealed everything it is going to.
And yet Rach claimed that she was low-hanging fruit

[Bulbazak]

And yet Rach claimed that she was low-hanging fruit

And yet you continue to avoid talking about how the person she identified as pursuing her as low-hanging fruit ended up being scum.

[Aegor]

Which is immaterial because that scum was Ice and the remaining scum is almost certainly Fire. What am I missing, again?

[Bulbazak]

So you're just dismissing all low-hanging fruit discussions, because it's multiball? "Well, it doesn't count because there are 2 scum teams." How does that negate the scum tell? If that slot was still alive, and we were trying to figure out who was scum, would you still dismiss the low-hanging fruit argument because of multiball? What other arguments would you dismiss? Should we even bother scumhunting as usual, or is it a moot point because of "multiball"?

[PeregrineV]

VT here.

[Bulbazak]

16 hours to go.

[Aegor]

So you're just dismissing all low-hanging fruit discussions, because it's multiball? "Well, it doesn't count because there are 2 scum teams." How does that negate the scum tell? If that slot was still alive, and we were trying to figure out who was scum, would you still dismiss the low-hanging fruit argument because of multiball? What other arguments would you dismiss? Should we even bother scumhunting as usual, or is it a moot point because of "multiball"?

What the fuck are you talking about? The fact that the case on Rach came from scum is irrelevant

because the other faction has an incentive to lynch scum, too

. Going after low-hanging fruit is not a scumtell to me, and even if it were, it STILL does not apply here because the both factions are trying to KILL EACH OTHER.

That is such a huge straw man I just cannot even understand what you are doing. I never said that Rach was scum because she labeled herself low-hanging fruit. Never once did I even suggest that argument. And the fact that the person pushing for her lynch was scum is irrelevant because it is a multiball game. If you can demonstrate that aptil thought that Rach was town and not scum, go right ahead. I will concede. But unless you can do that, the fact that a scumball from the

other team, the win condition of which requires the extermination of all opposing scum

, was the one pushing her lynch is irrelevant to me.

[T S O]

Fuck, what am I doing?

[T S O]

If Bulba's scum, we're fucked. He's probably not though. It's between Aegor and PV now.

[T S O]

Vote: Maxous

I think we were in a game about this same time last year, and I haven't seen in you a while.

I was down to lynch Dry-fit when the wagon started but 269 makes him seem town to me. He's not too concerned with his own survival to still scumhunt.

Anyway I'm caught up finally.

Do you think his lack of defense is related in any way to the fact he doesn't have one?

Do you think not having a defense is scummy?

He does have a defense, it's just mindbogglingly stupid (and scummier than no defense at all).

Wow, missed it. What post?

Sweet, sweet hammer.

If Desp flips scum then RachMarie is on his team.

Vote: Desparado

this shit is supporting PV scum.

[T S O]

idk. Lynch Aegor and PV.

[JacobSavage]

End of Day 6

Nobody was lynched

Its now Night 6, the Deadline falls on 14^th March 2014 at 1400 GMT ((expired on 2014-03-14 14:00:00))

[JacobSavage]

START OF DAY 7

T S O,

Town Neighbouriser

was thrown into Mt. Doom Night 6.

Its now Day 6, the Deadline falls on 28^th March 2014 at 1900 GMT ((expired on 2014-03-28 19:00:00))

[Aegor]

Well, that was sad.

I recommend that we discuss, post reads, post recommendations for lynching, and then No Lynch and decide tomorrow.

[Bulbazak]

Well, that was sad.

But not unforeseen. Were you going somewhere with this?

I recommend that we discuss, post reads, post recommendations for lynching, and then No Lynch and decide tomorrow.

We should lynch today. No lynching is not going to change anything. I'll be dead, and town will be left with Rach, PV, and yourself. There's no reason to drag this out to a day when there will be the same decision with 1 less person.

[Aegor]

We should lynch today. No lynching is not going to change anything. I'll be dead, and town will be left with Rach, PV, and yourself. There's no reason to drag this out to a day when there will be the same decision with 1 less person.

I think you assume your death at night too easily. I am not strongly opposed to lynching today, but I am not assuming you will be the NK either.

[Aegor]

i.e. there may actually be information acquired via the NK.

[Bulbazak]

The only way town would get information is if scum was stupid and lynched someone who was actually a suspect.

[PeregrineV]

Need to do some studying, but it will have to be after the weekend.

[Aegor]

VOTE: No Lynch