Consulmaker - Carthage wins!

[Battle Mage]

Primate: would you like to reveal your conclusions from your reads?

"Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse." Vote Count

Zindaras - 1(Twito)
livingod - 1(Raffles)
Kison - 1(Cephrir)
Battle Mage - 1(Rand Althor)

[Primate]

Primate: would you like to reveal your conclusions from your reads?

"Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse." Vote Count

Zindaras - 1(Twito)
livingod - 1(Raffles)
Kison - 1(Cephrir)
Battle Mage - 1(Rand Althor)

It makes me think better of both of you.

[Mastermind of Sin]

actually it was because i knew i was protown, but was confused at coming up scum. The go town bit was genuine, but i was unsure of the reasoning behind my role coming up different.
As for voting Twito tribune, its hardly surprising for me, seeing as he is one of the few people i expect to make a good decision in a game like this. Surprisingly im quite hopeful today. With MoS as Consul, i figure that i cant lose. If he chooses to lynch me, it will be funny because he is wrong. If he doesnt choose to lynch me, i get to live another day.
i still feel that Primate/Zindy are pretty scummy. At least 1 of them is scum imo, though obviously those views dont do alot of good today.
BM

What in my posts makes you think I would want to execute you?

[TheEyeOfMordor]

Where have you been?
Seriously, I haven't felt or seen much of our two Consuls today.
I feel that this setup will lead to rather boring days so discussion is worth it.
So I now ask, who do the Consuls think scummy and why?

[Zindaras]

MoSsy, are you going to execute Raffles, Kison or BM today, as I asked? And if so, which one?

[Raffles]

I'm quite concerned by the fact that Zindie has already decided to execute one of three without taking into consideration of anyone else, or without doing any discussion. What's worse, you don't give any other reason for any of the three of us other than gut (from what I gather, or have I missed something?).

[Battle Mage]

i dont think its really worth getting worried about. Zindy is scum, so its hardly surprising that she wants us dead...
what would be concerning is if the consuls go along with this, but i have good faith in our consuls today.

@MoS: You havent said anything that would imply that you wanted to execute me. I have faith in you to make the right decision today. As for who I think is scum, im frankly not sure. Outside of Zindy and possibly Primate, i havent really thought about it in depth.
Ill reread later and come up with something decent.

I'm quite concerned by the fact that Zindie has already decided to execute one of three without taking into consideration of anyone else, or without doing any discussion. What's worse, you don't give any other reason for any of the three of us other than gut (from what I gather, or have I missed something?).

[Shanba]

Primate: I've seen Battle Mage as town a lot and only dead once so far a scum. In the game where he died as scum, he seemed pretty similar to his pro-town playstyle, saved for he was lynched for a fairly major inconsistency of opinion. I'm not seeing any inconsistencies of opinion here.
As for Cephrir, I can't recall seeing him in any other games, and with search down at the moment it might be easier if you could pick out some typical games that showcase differences playstyle between scum and town
Edit before posting: I searched through the wiki and found a couple of games in which he was pro-town: do you know any in which he was scum?

[Cephrir]

I've never been scum on MS, which is kind of odd since in other places I'm scum way more often than I should be. If you want, I'll go find a few.

[Zindaras]

you both seem pretty eratic in your haste to lynch someone without evidence. You seem to have a close relationship, and certainly are both slightly tipsy on the power.
actually, i will

Unvote, Vote: Raffles for Tribune

BM

These are BM's original reasons for saying I'm scum. It's bogus, clear as day.

This is the

only

time in the game that BM has ever explained anything about why I am scum. He feels I am not above suspicion due to the N9V execution, which is fair, but he has failed to explain how the N9V execution fits in a scumbag's play. In fact, he fails to explain anything, really, just randomly spouting "This and that are scum.Oh, and that guy's town, too"

[HackerHuck]

I'm certainly not going to execute anyone just on Zindaras' word.

Out of those three, I don't think BM is an appropriate lynch at this point in the game and I really don't have an opinion on Raffles. The points raised against Kison are valid. He does seem to be lurking in plain sight. His only real opinions have been against Panzerjäger for his claim and Ubertimmy for lurking.

CES

- I would like prods on Livingod and Ubertimmy.

I'm not happy with the lurking and although Livingod has popped up now and then, he hasn't said anything related to the game outside of commenting on the prank.

[Kison]

I asked the Tribunes and Consuls what they think about today, and I never got a solid answer. It's a double standard to accuse me of lurking when they're the ones we

depend on

to get anywhere today.

As for Battle Mage, as everyone knows, the guy uses little to no reasoning. Often, his reasoning is absurd. I don't think it's anything extraordinary that he gave a reason about you, Zindaras. The thing you need to watch for with him are inconsistencies; that's how we caught him in another game.

Well, let's get his opinions down so we know where he stands.

Battle Mage

, you always have an opinion. Who do you think is most likely scum at the moment?

[HackerHuck]

I asked the Tribunes and Consuls what they think about today, and I never got a solid answer. It's a double standard to accuse me of lurking when they're the ones we

depend on

to get anywhere today.

I had just mentioned my top target a few posts before you asked for the consuls' (and tribunes') opinions. Since you apparently wanted more, I clarified. I also put together a little list when I replaced in. A number of other people have put together lists at differing times, but you haven't. You're also not the only person I've called out about lurking and you've managed to accuse ubertimmy and livingod of lurking yourself.

It's absurd to state that we should be the ones leading the town. The consuls are the judge, jury and executioner. The town should be convincing us of who they think we should lynch. We're just like a hammer vote that can be placed at any time.

As for Battle Mage, as everyone knows, the guy uses little to no reasoning. Often, his reasoning is absurd. I don't think it's anything extraordinary that he gave a reason about you, Zindaras. The thing you need to watch for with him are inconsistencies; that's how we caught him in another game.

Well, let's get his opinions down so we know where he stands.

Battle Mage

, you always have an opinion. Who do you think is most likely scum at the moment?

Scroll up a few posts. He mentioned Zindy and possibly Primate.

Isn't it a bit of a double standard to ask BM for his opinions when you don't seem to want to give us yours?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Prodding livingod and ubertimmy.

[Zindaras]

Kison, I don't care how he was caught in other games. To say that he is only scum when he contradicts himself is fairly silly.

[Raffles]

Kison, I don't care how he was caught in other games. To say that he is only scum when he contradicts himself is fairly silly.

But to say BattleMage is probably a scum because he is acting scummy is even sillier. We all know that is not how it works with BM.

[ubertimmy]

I don't think BM is a good execution

[Zindaras]

But to say BattleMage is probably a scum because he is acting scummy is even sillier. We all know that is not how it works with BM.

You can't allow the guy to get away with posting scummy things every time simply because "it's just BM". I will not allow him to simply post whatever the hell he wants and not be expected to validate any of his suspicions.

[Zindaras]

I don't think BM is a good execution

Why?

Make it more than one sentence.

[Battle Mage]

dont be bossy. you arent Consul anymore.
FYI: The only time i was lynched as scum was not really because i made a mistake as such. it was because i changed my mind about someone. I can genuinely say, that, knowing my own playstyle, thats something i do as town and scum. Also, i was lynched before i could claim which makes it null and void.
However, i admit that my case on Zindy and Primate isnt worthy of a lynch at this point. I need to get my thoughts together and make an actual case for them, so i dont get shouted at across the INTRANET.
i need a reread as its also true that i am low on suspects at the moment. I think HH and MoS are probably town (or at least, i would like to think so ). however, i will reserve full judgement until i see their decision.
IOU 1 reread.
BM

But to say BattleMage is probably a scum because he is acting scummy is even sillier. We all know that is not how it works with BM.

You can't allow the guy to get away with posting scummy things every time simply because "it's just BM". I will not allow him to simply post whatever the hell he wants and not be expected to validate any of his suspicions.

[Raffles]

But to say BattleMage is probably a scum because he is acting scummy is even sillier. We all know that is not how it works with BM.

You can't allow the guy to get away with posting scummy things every time simply because "it's just BM". I will not allow him to simply post whatever the hell he wants and not be expected to validate any of his suspicions.

That sounds like you don't really care if he's a scum or not, but we should execute him anyway because he is BM.

[Zindaras]

That sounds like you don't really care if he's a scum or not, but we should execute him anyway because he is BM.

You're completely misrepresenting what I'm saying. I'm saying he shouldn't be allowed to get away with spouting random crap, not that we should execute him every game. I'm not saying we should execute him because he's BM, I'm saying we should execute him if he is scummy.

[Raffles]

Exactly. BM, for the most part, is always scummy.

[Zindaras]

If you cannot read a book, is it because the book's writing is illegible...or is it because your eyes aren't good enough?

[Raffles]

What? I don't understand that anology at all.

And to answer your question, it depends. I could be long sighted, or the book is written in the language I don't understand. But I would doubt it's because the writing is scribbly.