NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Empire]

Day 5, Votecount 15

Ser Arthur Dayne (5)

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pieguyn, Casso the King of Seals, Sakura Hana, Ser Arthur Dayne, goodmorning

Titus (4)

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Ms Marangal, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Prophylaxis, KoreanBBQ

Prophylaxis (2)

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zMuffinMan, Titus

Not Voting (2)

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geists, Norlkaz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch! Deadline is on February 12th at 7:35 AM EST or in (expired on 2014-02-12 08:35:22).

Mod Notes

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goodmorning is V/LA until Friday.

[goodmorning]

Paranoia note: For masons, gm and MM don't agree on much.

Well, here's the rest of the playerlist with our opinions:
geists (fferyllt + Natirasha) - both think Town independent of GS clear
Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) - gm thinks Scum, Mara Town
F-16_Fighting_Falcon - Both think Town, though gm has slight paranoia
Prophylaxis - Mara thought Scum last time she posted reads in the QT, gm has him at a lean-Scum
pieguyn - Mara thinks Scum, gm is being wishy-washy
Norlkaz - Both have him on the Town spectrum
KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - Both find him Town
Sakura Hana - Both believe Town, though Mara more strongly that gm
Ser Arthur Dayne - Mara has him scummish, gm townish
zMuffinMan - Mara thinks Scum, gm thought Town but is reassessing based on Gen reactions
Titus - both think weak Town as of last time Mara did QT reads

So we agree on 7 and disagree on Casso, SAD, and somewhat Muffin. And then I don't have a pie read.
Also, since when do Masons have to agree on things? Just because I know she's Town doesn't mean she's right.
(And I'm sure she could and would say the same about me.)

I have been in a hydra. I don't expect mindmeld but they hardly seem to be communicating at all. There are more effective strategies, double voting null/scumreads to get faster pressure and reactions.

Hydra dissonance tends to trigger a scumread because that should be sorted out for the most part.

1. We aren't a hydra. We have no obligation to agree on anything (though we actually mostly do, see above).
2. Even if this were earlier in the game where pressure wagons are occasionally effective, doing that would just have outed us sooner than we'd have liked.
3. I'm not the kind of person who does a lot of pressure voting on a playerlist like this. None of these people (except perhaps Sakura, but that one is out of the way) are going to get worried by a big wagon.
4. As Mara said, we haven't been communicating as much in the QT recently. Yes, that's mostly because Cabd. The last big conversation we had was about our differing Casso reads, which pretty much ended exactly how it started. The last little conversations were "KBBQ is probTown because his D1 wagon had 2 Scum parking their asses" and "it's fun trying new playstyles (this was about my minor foray into VCA land)".

We have a flipped encryptor and it feels odd that neither of you are talking about major events.

What major events? Because there haven't been any for quite some time, just people dithering about shit.

unvote

[goodmorning]

Actually, even hydrae technically have no obligation to agree on anything.
Also, why aren't you scumreading Casso for their dissonance?

[Prophylaxis]

PTAP.

I'll put some more work into this game soon.

[Empire]

Prodding Sakura Hana.

[Sakura Hana]

I could have sworn i had posted something lol

[Titus]

Actually, even hydrae technically have no obligation to agree on anything.
Also, why aren't you scumreading Casso for their dissonance?

I do have a bad feeling about Casso.

Hydrae/masons have no obligation to agree, no. Yet, you'd expect that over time or some evidence over a joint strategy. I don't see that. Nacho and Thor, for the most part don't seem to be quarrelling in thread.

Can someone devise a way to test if GM and MM have daychat? If so, that can put any doubts about them to rest.

VLA Thursday thru Saturday, family thing

[Casso the King of Seals]

Actually, even hydrae technically have no obligation to agree on anything.
Also, why aren't you scumreading Casso for their dissonance?

This looks more like deflection than trying to peg him for a weak hypocrisy angle.
And, basically, I can't figure out why you'd do either. The hypocrisy side is weak and barely relatable to try to use as a tell, and the attack he did on you is barely worth needing to sweat because it's so silly.
So what are you doing here?

[goodmorning]

Can someone devise a way to test if GM and MM have daychat? If so, that can put any doubts about them to rest.

This isn't a bad idea, actually, because it means neither of us has to die to confirm ourselves, and because the Encryptor is dead and it's exceedingly unlikely there would be two, we also wouldn't leave a question of being Scum. Might I suggest that someone suggest a question of some sort? Though to find something we couldn't lie about would be difficult.
Maybe - wait til we're both on, ask a question about a past game one or more of you shared with just one of us? The other answers, and because it's a time thing there's no question of having gone back and read it? Or something similar?

Actually, even hydrae technically have no obligation to agree on anything.
Also, why aren't you scumreading Casso for their dissonance?

This looks more like deflection than trying to peg him for a weak hypocrisy angle.
And, basically, I can't figure out why you'd do either. The hypocrisy side is weak and barely relatable to try to use as a tell, and the attack he did on you is barely worth needing to sweat because it's so silly.
So what are you doing here?

I was aiming for the "hypocrisy angle," as you put it.

Whether or not there's a need for it, I wanted to.

So why are you asking?

[Casso the King of Seals]

I was aiming for the "hypocrisy angle," as you put it.

Whether or not there's a need for it, I wanted to.

Why? And did you and/or do you think there was a need for it?

So why are you asking?

Because it is an awkward reaction and I'm curious about the mindset that lead to it happening. I kind of feel I indicated that already.
Do you need me to walk you through "what is scumhunting" for 100, Alex?

[Casso the King of Seals]

ask a question about a past game one or more of you shared with just one of us? The other answers, and because it's a time thing there's no question of having gone back and read it? Or something similar?

A quick personal question seems more brilliant to me.
Less ability to fake an answer, also less interpretation and Google-fu ability in justifying any answer.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

The obvious choice would be for mara to just take a picture of a handwritten paper that says something along the lines of "hi this is mara and I'm masons with GM in NY 169" and then for GM to link us that picture.

There, problem solved.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I think I just went on stalker mode and was looking at the wrong photobucket.

[Casso the King of Seals]

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Shut up >_>

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm pretty sure ffery knows something about mara that GM doesn't. Er, or I hope so? Yeah.

[Titus]

If we had a neighborizer that worked during the day, that would be easy. They rarely do though.

[Titus]

SAD your idea works if we had a handwriting sample to compare it to as handwriting doesn't change that much.

[geists]

I'm pretty sure ffery knows something about mara that GM doesn't. Er, or I hope so? Yeah.

How is this supposed to work?

[zMuffinMan]

why are you still self-voting sad

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

why are you still self-voting sad

I think it's doing me a lot of favors

But if it's that much bothering you;

Unvote
Vote: Proph

RE: Masons thing. We can just have them agree on an exact time they will both be here in the QT and then in the thread they post 'here' like 1 min apart or something *shrug*

[goodmorning]

I was aiming for the "hypocrisy angle," as you put it.

Whether or not there's a need for it, I wanted to.

Why? And did you and/or do you think there was a need for it?

Why did I want to? I don't know, why does anyone want to do anything? Do I think there was a need? That doesn't really matter, as the want and the ability were present.

So why are you asking?

Because it is an awkward reaction and I'm curious about the mindset that lead to it happening. I kind of feel I indicated that already.
Do you need me to walk you through "what is scumhunting" for 100, Alex?

You're hilarious.

ask a question about a past game one or more of you shared with just one of us? The other answers, and because it's a time thing there's no question of having gone back and read it? Or something similar?

A quick personal question seems more brilliant to me.
Less ability to fake an answer, also less interpretation and Google-fu ability in justifying any answer.

I considered this, but one could just lie or guess.
"gm, what is Mara's favourite colour?"
"...purple?"
or
"gm, how many cats does Mara have?"
"Definitely 6. Like, totally."

The obvious choice would be for mara to just take a picture of a handwritten paper that says something along the lines of "hi this is mara and I'm masons with GM in NY 169" and then for GM to link us that picture.

There, problem solved.

That's possible but I don't know if it's mod-legal.

I'm pretty sure ffery knows something about mara that GM doesn't. Er, or I hope so? Yeah.

How is this supposed to work?

The thing that you know about Mara that I don't, presuming there is one (which is likely), make it into a question. Mara will answer in our QT and I will answer in the thread.

[geists]

I might want to do it the other way, something I know about you that I don't know about Mara.

[KoreanBBQ]

I'm suddenly in conspiracy theory mode and I don't like all three present wagons.
What do