Mini 1543--Natirasha's On Parole!(Game Over)

[Bert]

Plus, notscience doesn't see you as a strong townread

[Selkies]

VOTE: nachomamma8

My reasoning,
Playstyle seems really anti-town and I want to lynch someone before time runs up and you guys are really indecisive.

Is ross not "someone"?

Is his vote scummy?

Merely interesting~

Adding 1 vote to a 1-vote wagon doesn't look very survivalistic to me.

The only way I can see any sort of scum sense given the vote mechanic is if Ross and Aronis are scum together.

Am I missing something?

[Cabd]

Yeah well notscience can go suck eggs until he comes around.

[Bert]

The point of the DP is to find scum and lynch them, I said" I want to lynch someone before time runs out". I just don't fancy leaving things to a die roll.

How are the Ross and Aronis wagons dice roles?

Adding 1 vote to a 1-vote wagon doesn't look very survivalistic to me.

The only way I can see any sort of scum sense given the vote mechanic is if Ross and Aronis are scum together.

Am I missing something?

Maybe they want us to talk ourselves into a deadline induced NL?

[Cabd]

Am I missing something?

I'm waiting for you to give your reads list, it's been absent this entire day phase and it worries me deeply.

[Natirasha]

Vote Count 1.32(aka the "Copy Paste" Vote Count)

MafiaSSK(0):

Cabd(0):

Selkies(0):

zMuffinMan(0):

FourTrouble(0):

notscience(1):

RossWilliam

The Goodfather(0):

Nachomamma8(1):

zMuffinMan, Aronis

Bert(0):

RossWilliam(4):

FourTrouble, Bert, notscience, Katsuki

Aronis(4):

Cabd, IdiotKing, MafiaSSK, Nachomamma8

Idiotking(0):

Katsuki(3):

The Goodfather

No Lynch(0):

Not Voting(1):

Selkies

With thirteen alive, it takes seven to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2014-02-04 21:00:00)

Katsuki VLA til 2-6

[Selkies]

Am I missing something?

I'm waiting for you to give your reads list, it's been absent this entire day phase and it worries me deeply.

I haven't made an explicit list, but I think it's quite clear what my reads have been. My scumreads came unglued. I'm working through that right now in real time.

[Bert]

My scum reads have fallen apart.

I want to get together with Orcinus if possible to see what he thinks, but I think it's going to come down to my vote decision today. How long are you going to be around? I want to review some stuff and see what I can sift from the null section of my pile.

While we're on the Ffery topic, this sounds so invented... "my reads fell apart" Another one of those lovely statements you can make to try to sound town.

It sounds almost like in 1436 (past game) where you were like "I've gone over things a million times in my head, and I've flopped back and forth for N number of times."

[Aronis]

The point of the DP is to find scum and lynch them, I said" I want to lynch someone before time runs out". I just don't fancy leaving things to a die roll.

How are the Ross and Aronis wagons dice roles?

Adding 1 vote to a 1-vote wagon doesn't look very survivalistic to me.

The only way I can see any sort of scum sense given the vote mechanic is if Ross and Aronis are scum together.

Am I missing something?

Maybe they want us to talk ourselves into a deadline induced NL?

Why would I lynch myself?

And I'm still not convinced Ross is scum, if it gets to the deadline and we need a vote to lynch him, I will. Until then my vote stays off that wagon unless I find something clearly scummy about him.

[Selkies]

My scum reads have fallen apart.

I want to get together with Orcinus if possible to see what he thinks, but I think it's going to come down to my vote decision today. How long are you going to be around? I want to review some stuff and see what I can sift from the null section of my pile.

While we're on the Ffery topic, this sounds so invented... "my reads fell apart" Another one of those lovely statements you can make to try to sound town.

It sounds almost like in 1436 (past game) where you were like "I've gone over things a million times in my head, and I've flopped back and forth for N number of times."

One of these days you're going to figure out that the reason scum won 1436 was because I wasn't playing my scum game.

I had Aronis and Ross both as scum. That's up in the air right now. This game has my full attention while I work through that.

[Bert]

I had Aronis and Ross both as scum. That's up in the air right now. This game has my full attention while I work through that.

Umm...ffery you know you never made it clear you ever were reading Aronis-scum...

You asked Cabd for his reasoning, and you mentioned how you wanted to look into Aronis more because you think Cabd's town. Aronis seemed more like a potential option to look into, but nothing more than that - were you being purposely ambiguous????.... This makes me wonder if you're really thinking this game through from a townie mindset.

Hesitancy you're showing is one thing I can understand, but tacking on an "in case it isn't clear, we're reading Aronis (!) and Ross" as scum. Basically, both options aka both main wagons.

That said, I actually will post a reads list sometime today.

I'd still like for you to talk about your Aronis read

If Cabd's town, and I think he probably is, I want to put some weight on his Aronis read. But, I wish he'd put more reasoning down. I'm also looking at Ross and maybe Goodfather. But, my Goodfather issue is mostly because his vote has been really sticky in the face of most of his concerns about us getting dog-eared.

[Cabd]

I'm starting to regret derailing the selkies wagon earlier, ffery, so if you're town you need to be

really

town right now.

[Bert]

Unvote

Vote: Selkies

Not presenting your reads in clear sight...AH I guess I'm not surprised and I shouldn't be.

Anyways, I do give you some kudos for saying how a REAL interactive game with Ross TRUMPS the past meta. At the very least, I expect some "strength of my townreads" thing from you before the end of the day. We're not expecting you to catch EVERYONE by the end of the day...

You basically are claiming you have Aronis as scum but have stayed off that wagon.... I don't know, that bothers me and I can't emphasize it enough - at some point, thoughts about Aronis HAVE to come forth from you, is that unreasonable???

What town players have you found in this game??

[notscience]

Spoiler: Bert/notscience

Why haven't you named a scumteam or been tunnely yet this game or shown some wicked confidence...you're holding back - something's wrong

Spoiler: ns/bert

Because I just don't feel confident about my reads this game. It's not one of thoes games where I feel like I'm on it.

This spoiler stuff is getting annoying.

[Selkies]

I had Aronis and Ross both as scum. That's up in the air right now. This game has my full attention while I work through that.

Umm...ffery you know you never made it clear you ever were reading Aronis-scum...

You asked Cabd for his reasoning, and you mentioned how you wanted to look into Aronis more because you think Cabd's town. Aronis seemed more like a potential option to look into, but nothing more than that - were you being purposely ambiguous????.... This makes me wonder if you're really thinking this game through from a townie mindset.

Hesitancy you're showing is one thing I can understand, but tacking on an "in case it isn't clear, we're reading Aronis (!) and Ross" as scum. Basically, both options aka both main wagons.

That said, I actually will post a reads list sometime today.

I'd still like for you to talk about your Aronis read

If Cabd's town, and I think he probably is, I want to put some weight on his Aronis read. But, I wish he'd put more reasoning down. I'm also looking at Ross and maybe Goodfather. But, my Goodfather issue is mostly because his vote has been really sticky in the face of most of his concerns about us getting dog-eared.

There were three main reasons I had Aronis as potential scum - Cabd's read, Orcinus' read and a 3 player neighborhood. Orcinus preferred Aronis or Katsuki for lynch the last time we talked and he was caught up. I didn't.

He's out of that group now. Rereading and rethinking, I still think Ross could be scum. And I think you made some good points about Goodfather. I discounted him mostly because he was all freaked out about noisy hydrae.

[Selkies]

It wouldn't be a day 1 without some Bert paranoia. That pretty much seals my town read. :/

[notscience]

It wouldn't be a day 1 without some Bert paranoia. That pretty much seals my town read. :/

He's been town for pages

[Selkies]

I'm starting to regret derailing the selkies wagon earlier, ffery, so if you're town you need to be

really

town right now.

I thought muffin derailed it, to the extent we didn't derail it ourselves.

So, you want to talk reads or not?

[Selkies]

It wouldn't be a day 1 without some Bert paranoia. That pretty much seals my town read. :/

He's been town for pages

Quite. Now there's a bow on it.

[notscience]

Ffery and Cabd- What are your thoughts on Ross's vote?

[Selkies]

Town:

Cabd
FourTrouble
Bert
zmuffin

Maybe Town:

IdiotKing – neighbor, muffin thinks he's town, some of his posts have resonated town pretty strongly
Aronis – neighbor, seems newbtown
NotSci (King Kenny was null, leaning scum due to lurk/flake). Notsci hasn't pestered me nearly enough about how obvtown he is.
Nacho (inherited a scummy-looking slot, hasn't towned it up except in terms of sheer bravado
SSK – town read has gone stale. Didn't like his last post.

Not So Town:

Goodfather – there's probably some bias here due to his sticky vote on us
Ross – could move him up, but I think Aronis has looked more town (newb factor maybe)
Katsuki



If there's scum in the neighborhood, I strongly doubt it's muffin.

List is not seriatim.

[notscience]

Notsci hasn't pestered me nearly enough about how obvtown he is.

I could pester you in every single post I make if you'd like that

[Selkies]

heh. Why aren't you, though?

[Selkies]

Ffery and Cabd- What are your thoughts on Ross's vote?

About the same as my thoughts on Aronis' vote for Nacho.

What are your thoughts about it?

[Bert]

Maybe I underestimated the influence that other people's reads have on you. I was expecting you to filter it some more and process your own reads at the same time.

I asked myself if you've been convincing about your "scumread" wagons. The answer was no...I mean, I felt you were locked in during Open 534 replacement period (past game). You gave a reads list within THREE hours of replacing in - with TOWN, SCUM, NULL, etc.

what you didn't do here was have your actions (voting a scumread) follow what you apparently felt about others. You didn't explore Goodfather further despite empty promises, you asked for reasoning on the Aronis read but didn't show concentration/focus on Aronis.

I also feel your only two 'past scumreads' are the only people who had a reasonable chance of being lynched in the fairly recent past. Until we probed you last-minute, you would probably have gone into Night 1 without us having a sort of sense of direction from you. I can't remember many past completed games where this happened with you-town (not Newbie 1429, not Open 534). Might have happened in AA, but you and Nat were leaders there and a huge presence - heck, you LED the Brian Wagon D1. That was no bravado. I don't feel you have used your meta or persuasion powers to your advantage in this game.

/rant over, and no I don't expect you to be lynched today, but that vote is a wake-up call and I'm gonna lead out a vote on you D2 if things don't change real soon.

Bert