Worst role ideas?

[jr637]

One common reason to misjudge a setup balance is to assume that a JK role will be used as a Doctor. It can be used like that, but mostly only on VTs, and Doctor-protecting a VT rarely gains the town very much (unless you pull it off twice in a game). On the other hand, the Roleblocking side of it is around as strong as (maybe a little worse than) a Tracker, which is not a weak role at all. So JKs should normally aim for scum, especially if there's only one left.

EDIT: Oh, and I missed the "how would you balance this role" point. If you wanted something not awful (i.e. not the sort of thing that people come to the threads for), make the role discover all JK targets when they turn themselves in (in addition to gaining JK protection and becoming unable to use other abilities that night), and tell the JK that their ability seemed to affect more people than it should, but not why (they'll most likely assume they hit someone that a Hider was hiding behind). That role is definitely useful, in that it gains you information about what the town is doing that can help you work out what happened overnight, and protects you from vig kills, but it's much more marginal.

For the record, if a JK jails a scum, is there not a NK?

[callforjudgement]

There's no NK if the scum you jailed is the scum who tried to perform it. In any game which could potentially have a JK (which is pretty much every game ever, apart from some Opens), the mod asks scum to volunteer one member to actually perform the kill. That particular scum member can be tracked to the kill, and jailing/roleblocking them stops the kill. Tracking or roleblocking other scum will have no effect.

A side effect of this is that Town Trackers/Roleblockers/JKs become much more powerful when there's only one scum left, because the scum can no longer work around them by sending someone unlikely to be targeted to perform the kill.

[saulres]

You are a

Fake Innocent Child

.

At the start of the game, the mod will confirm you as town. This is actually nothing to do with your role, though, as you aren't actually an Innocent Child, and as such the mod statement about your alignment cannot be trusted.

You win with the town.

How does that differ in play from an actual Innocent Child?

[callforjudgement]

How does that differ in play from an actual Innocent Child?

Well, clearly, because you're town, you should inform townies that the mod's announcement is unreliable, and should not be relied on.

(Alternative answer: it doesn't.)

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

If you get rolecopped.

[callforjudgement]

I was thinking about that, but who rolecops an Innocent Child? That's arguably even more pointless than copping them.

[Who]

You are a

Fake Innocent Child

.

At the start of the game, the mod will confirm you as town. This is actually nothing to do with your role, though, as you aren't actually an Innocent Child, and as such the mod statement about your alignment cannot be trusted.

You win with the town.

So if I were to go "@MOD: Does that announcement have anything to do with X's alignment", the answer would be "No"?
And that role can be scum?

Given how no one would ever ask, that's basically an IC who can be scum.

Better version:

Greetings, you are an

Innocent Child

At any time you can post "

IC ACTIVATE

" in the thread to become modconfirmed town.

Modnote: Doesn't actually work, posting IC ACTIVATE will do nothing.

[callforjudgement]

I was trying to make a role that fundamentally didn't work as designed, and I think I succeeded.

[saulres]

How about this variant instead?

You are a

Weak Innocent Child

. At any point you may PM the mod to announce you as town-aligned. When the mod does so, you die. You win with the town.

[Cheery Dog]

How about this variant instead?

You are a

Weak Innocent Child

. At any point you may PM the mod to announce you as town-aligned. When the mod does so, you die. You win with the town.

I think that's more a

Mute Treestump

, since weak goes with having a targeting action.

[JacobSavage]

Make that the varient that is automatically revealed at the start of Day 1

[vonflare]

Royal Jester

Any player you are not voting for cannot be lynched.
You cannot self-vote.
You win when you are lynched.

Hacker

You may PM the mod at any time to learn the role of every player in the game.
If there is any power role (including yourself) in the game, you then die.

Sadistic rich man

If you post the word "money" in the thread, you recieve 5 gold coins.
You may pay 5 gold coins to recieve 10 gold coins.
You may pay 100 gold coins to kill yourself.

[vonflare]

You are the

Lynchproof Scuicidal Jester

[vonflare]

You are the

Paragon of Mafia Hunters

. Everyone you vote for is 100% guaranteed to be mafia.

(How to implement this though? Should he turn people into death millers? Or everyone he votes for is immediately recruited into the mafia?)

ROFL.

make everyone mafia except him!

[Elscouta]

I remember a game on another side where one player had this role. There was actually no mafia, but a reasonable number of people flipped mafia due to the role.

The role was worded a lot more vaguely, in a way that the player thought he was Vanilla Town. It was funny.

[AngryPidgeon]

A weak commuter that copies action on its target onto itself.

[vonflare]

how the heck does that make sense? WEAK commuter?

[Sakura Hana]

A commuter targets?

[vonflare]

a commuter does NOT target. they simply use their ability, which makes them untargetable.

[mastin2]

I was thinking about that, but who rolecops an Innocent Child? That's arguably even more pointless than copping them.

How 'bout an Innocent Child Miller?

[Sakura Hana]

a commuter does NOT target. they simply use their ability, which makes them untargetable.

You missed the sarcasm.

[saulres]

You are a

Paranoid Lightning Rod

.

[AngryPidgeon]

how the heck does that make sense? WEAK commuter?

I just described a hider is the joke.

[Plessiez]

Inept cultist

You are a cult leader ... or you'd like to be one, anyway. Unfortunately for your dreams, you're not very charismatic and nobody seems to want to join your cult.

Each night you must target a player and attempt to "convert" them. This attempt will fail, exactly as if your target had been rolestopped. You may not attempt to target this player again during the game.

If a night starts and there is no player alive you can attempt to convert, you will realise the error of your ways and leave the game. Let's agree to call that a win.

[Kagami]

Inept cultist

...

This is actually a pretty neat role. Here's a little tweak:

Explosive Fruit Vendor

: Each night you may give a player a lovely Edible Arrangement. Little do they realize, it is a bomb! It is set to go off when every living player (other than yourself) has received your healthy, artistic, and highly volatile gift. Death by fruiting cannot be prevented or redirected by any means. If you succeed in blowing everyone to kingdom-come, you win!

Basically, it's like an survivor-finder. You plant the fruits on players you suspect are going to survive until endgame, and hope they do! Finally you wouldn't be cursing your ill-fortune at being in a game with lots of VIs who are too obv-town to lynch and too stupid to be night killed. Would prob have to be able to give multiple fruit at least on night one.