NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Sakura Hana]

Actually

Unvote
Vote: SAD

that L-1 vote was bad.

[Prophylaxis]

Can you restate the case on SAD? I have no read on him, and he was pushed to four votes yesterDay, IIRC.

He hasn't come up in my read yet.

[Sakura Hana]

I actually don't have one, i had them as town a couple game days ago, but that L-1 vote let Generic self hammer ending the discussion.

[Prophylaxis]

Mmm, fair.

As I've stated repeatedly, just need to figure out the Norlkaz/zMuffinMan/SAD/Sakura/Casso pile and I will be caught up. Everyone else I have a read on, to various degrees.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Actually

Unvote
Vote: SAD

that L-1 vote was bad.

You're quite terrible at this.

[Prophylaxis]

Actually

Unvote
Vote: SAD

that L-1 vote was bad.

You're quite terrible at this.

Answer me.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I actually don't have one, i had them as town a couple game days ago, but that L-1 vote let Generic self hammer ending the discussion.

Fairly certain I don't have a problem with that, and neither should you. But yes, distracting inferences are always interesting to go through.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Actually

Unvote
Vote: SAD

that L-1 vote was bad.

You're quite terrible at this.

Answer me.

Is my answer actually supposed to be "me" or do you have a question for me that I missed during my selective reading.

[pieguyn]

vote: SAD

I still want an SAD lynch atm, if not go for Titus. Proph is leaning town

[pieguyn]

the cases on SAD are here
6621, 6624, 6649

Proph is leaning town bc of Generic's interactions with him

If I could intervene for a moment, Proph is starting to join the front runners for scum. He despises drawing scum and tends to post very little due to a lack of motivation and concerns his dislike of being scum will stand out in his play.

Already being prodded is strike one right now.

Prod received, posting sometime today.

18 hours later...

I told you Proph, I would be keeping an eye on you.

Strike two.

this is scum lining up a mislynch plain and simple. Bert was solidly in the townblock when he replaced in. then he saw all the paranoia floating around about Bert and capitalized on the replacement to knock Bert's slot out of the townblock and turn it into a viable lynch. given he felt the need to do damage control like this, this also indicates that (besides Generic) the townblock was p strong

I really have to hand it to Generic though. fking impressive scumplay

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Pie, couldn't you also interpret Generic's push on Proph as scum coaching other scum? Looking at it in hindsight, Generic basically told Proph exactly what he needed to do to diffuse suspicion of him. I didn't like that Generic so easily provided meta-tells even before he had a chance to apply them to a greater sample of posts (that should have been a red flag). But I felt at that time that on the off chance that Generic was scum, the most likely scenario was that he was coaching his buddy.

[geists]

Didn't most of that happen while MafiaSSK was still alive?

[pieguyn]

good point

then again that was on D3 before encryptor got lynched. if he wanted to coach Proph he could have done so via daychat. also note Proph didn't even get more active after he pointed this out

Generic providing meta tells this easily also makes sense in the context of him lining up a mislynch. he would have brought it up easily in order to get the slot lynched

[goodmorning]

Either way, as I said before I wouldn't put it past Gen to bus like that so at least you stay alive.

Nati agrees that Generic's play after RC's claim doesn't at all preclude a bus. I'd like to hear Mara's thoughts on this, because my gut says look elsewhere today.

I was going to say this too, but it may only be because I don't want to be wrong.

GM would up on me, but he might have moved cuz jailor. MM knew of the jailor claim and still voted the jailor. Geists didn't want to vote the scums. I am paranoid that there's scum in the clears.

As far as me? Yeah, that cc was incredibly sketch and I'd probably have voted him. Yeah, I understand why Mara and Nat voted RC.

**You're scum means Korean BBQ is scum.

I don't see this. As I said to Mara in the QT, I know I think VCA is pretty ridiculous but Gen and SSK both sat on KBBQ for like half of D1. Slightly unlikely scumplay.

Discrediting votal analysis is really the only way scum can defend themselves against it, so yeah.

VCA is stupid, and you should feel bad for even attempting this argument.

[Sakura Hana]

Pie, couldn't you also interpret Generic's push on Proph as scum coaching other scum?

At that point scum still had daychat, why didnt he just tell him in the scum qt?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Yeah, that's true. It mitigates my suspicion but there's also the fact that coaching him in thread serves the dual purpose of Generic getting towncred if he calls out Proph and Proph at some point flips scum.

[Sakura Hana]

VCA is stupid

Titus is also pointing VCA at me and Casso!

[goodmorning]

^What?

Also, I'm pretending Casso doesn't exist today, since Mara and I still don't agree.

[pieguyn]

Generic already had like all of the towncred

given Generic was p solidly in the townblock and Bert still had a lot o points in his favor, idk if it makes sense to bus there. they could have just accepted it and moved on without losing much even if Proph flipped scum at some point

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Yeah, that's true. It mitigates my suspicion but there's also the fact that coaching him in thread serves the dual purpose of Generic getting towncred if he calls out Proph and Proph at some point flips scum.

Although if that were the case, Generic would just tell Proph to spike up his activity in the scum QT and then townread him in thread for high activity levels.

Pedit: Yeah, I think he would be more likely to not want to unsettle the status quo of both him and Bert being townread.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I can see merits to both arguments.

Although I suspect an ulterior motive, cephrirs comment about morale does have value. This game needs a scum lynch to give us a foundation to build from. Until we see a flip we cannot start using VCA or links via interaction. The counter argument is of course that SSK is trolling so has essentially revealed he is scum. But his involvement in this game represents potential wifom, and if we choose someone else and they are town he is still there with a vote to quick hammer immediately.

The flip side which f16 has championed loudest

is we have SSK in the bag, and can still do analysis surrounding him but with the added bonus of a scum player available for compromise lynch should we find ourselves close to deadline.

unvote

I personally think he is the best lynch for today after slipping through the net twice, but I don't want to allow him and scum buddies of his the opportunity to end the day before we are ready to.

Based on this post, I am inclined to think that scum were setting me up for defending the mafia encryptor. The suspicion there is really subtle and meant to be a "

why didn't I see this before

" type moment.

Continuing from that theory, Cephrir's post seems like a minor slip of inside information:

No. We are lynching SSK today. If we have any remaining investigative roles we give them a night; SSK could be a scum PR; narrows the field for tomorrow though this one is probably not relevant. I see no compelling reason to do anything else.

This makes me suspect Titus even more.

[Titus]

Cephrir, my prior slot holder, pushes for the confscum and that makes me suspicious F16? Are you high or drunk?

I like the coaching theory even with daytalk. Scum have to interact with each other at some point. Helping scumbuddies diffuse suspicions is good. Also the presence of daytalk is part of the reason I cannot clear KBBQ.

GM, Generic self-hammered before we'll ever know if that was true.

Piegyn, your townblock needs serious work if Bert was in it prior to Prophy replacing in. His posting has sucked compared to his town games. Bert's behavior sucked.

[goodmorning]

Day 1, Votecount 71

MafiaSSK (7)

-

Casso the King of Seals,

Sakura Hana

,

KoreanBBQ,

Bert

, MC Maraca, Ser Arthur Dayne, pieguyn

Sakura Hana (3)

-

Tammy, DOMO, Desperado

Casso the King of Seals (3)

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zMuffinMan, goodmorning, Generic

Stuffed Crust (1)

-

Cephrir

F-16_Fighting_Falcon (1)

-

BROseidon

goodmorning (1)

-

Norlkaz

Not Voting (4)

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MafiaSSK, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Stuffed Crust, geists

Day 1, Votecount 72

Stuffed Crust (7)

-

Cephrir, geists, Tammy, Desperado,

Bert

,

Sakura Hana

,

MafiaSSK

MafiaSSK (3)

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Casso the King of Seals, Ser Arthur Dayne, pieguyn

Casso the King of Seals (3)

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zMuffinMan, goodmorning, Generic

Desperado (1)

-

MC Maraca

KoreanBBQ (1)

-

KoreanBBQ

Sakura Hana (1)

-

DOMO

F-16_Fighting_Falcon (1)

-

BROseidon

goodmorning (1)

-

Norlkaz

Not Voting (2)

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F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Stuffed Crust

These are the slots I'm rereading right now, in case anyone wondered.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Cephrir, my prior slot holder, pushes for the confscum and that makes me suspicious F16? Are you high or drunk?

I like the coaching theory even with daytalk. Scum have to interact with each other at some point. Helping scumbuddies diffuse suspicions is good. Also the presence of daytalk is part of the reason I cannot clear KBBQ.

GM, Generic self-hammered before we'll ever know if that was true.

Piegyn, your townblock needs serious work if Bert was in it prior to Prophy replacing in. His posting has sucked compared to his town games. Bert's behavior sucked.

1) I said you were suspicious because Cephrir might have let slip insider information about MafiaSSK being a scum PR, not because he pushed for the lynch of a conf-scum.

2) Why do you assume that I am either high or drunk as opposed to scum? The last game we played together, I posted an intense meta-dive of you to conclude that you were town. I think you'd expect me to read you correctly if you were town. I am scumreading you based on meta here. Your lack of paranoia that I am scum twisting your meta to get a mislynch when other people suspect you is telling.

[Titus]

Except, I already have demonstrated being paranoid of you F-16. I don't have to say it in every post.

As for the high or drunk, your case is illogical. That says nothing about your alignment at all. Town can be dumb. Or you could be scum. Either way, I expect you to be smarter.

As for your comment about me expecting you to read me right, a) I said I had a few issues with your meta logic and b) you know by now I think meta is crap but what people say about meta is important. Like now, you are promoting yourself as the Titus expert, which makes it easier to push through a mislynch on me.