NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[goodmorning]

^Best case on SAD I've seen so far.

For Mara I'm leaving Casso for a while. Titus, on the other hand...

Vote: Titus

[KoreanBBQ]

I'm fine lynching either.

[Empire]

Day 4, Votecount 3

Ser Arthur Dayne (4)

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Casso the King of Seals, geists, KoreanBBQ, pieguyn

Titus (2)

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Generic, goodmorning

Prophylaxis (1)

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Titus

Sakura Hana (1)

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Sakura Hana

Not Voting (7)

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Ms Marangal, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Prophylaxis, RadiantCowbells, Norlkaz, Ser Arthur Dayne, zMuffinMan

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch! Deadline is on February 9th at 5:30 PM EST or in (expired on 2014-02-09 18:26:23).

Mod Notes

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N/A

[Titus]

I will look at SAD again momentarily.

Generic, I opened with the KBBQ attack. To say elsewise is disingenuous. I respond wih meta after attacked by it.

[Titus]

There's also a matter of his Bert tunneling in general; it's shallow as hell and it essentially involves SAD quoting a Bert post, responding with "this is so scummy, make it die" and then going back to the shadows of scumfuckery. It's extremely similar to the Shadoweh-Bert tunneling which attacks the hell out of him because he's easy to attack, complain about how he's not getting lynched fast enough, proceed to do nothing else.

That enough case for you, Generic/Titus?

No. If it was this shallow, you'd quote it and show that. A man of few words is not shallow. SAD may be scum but this is bad.

[pieguyn]

That's probably her angle if scum. I would be pretty fucking impressed if she could take my advice to heart that quickly, though.

if she's scum it'd make sense considering she didn't have much time to adjust her scumgame. she tried to replicate her town meta but since she didn't have any time to entirely change her play the way she was so stubborn about weird things came across as forced. do you disagree?

[Titus]

btw my case on SAD is p much his BS defense of SSK. he claimed he didn't want a SSK lynch bc "lack of information", but then other people got lynched and he completely forgot all about getting information from lynches. when pressured, he basically just started flip flopping and making shit up to cover up his stance on SSK. in 4300 he misreps "information" as entirely consisting of the wagon from the SC lynch, when there's way more information to be gained. he KNOWS this, as indicated by 4303:

Now I can easily speculate why these two are excempt from suspicion but I want SADs reasons and his thoughts on their connection to the SC wagon.

Please abort any thought of analyzing the SC wagon THAT GOT HIM LYNCHED and instead look for who was pushing him earlier in the day (which I want to do when I have a bit of time).

not to mention he never actually did this. conclusion: he was just making shit up to cover up his BS defense. it was bad enough before SSK was confscum and SSK's scumflip reaffirms that his defense was BS (especially the fact he flipped encryptor). he also accused me of being scum for a "generic OMGUS" by pushing back on people who accused me, but then did the same thing himself in 4114. his reads on me (null -> town -> scum -> town) and zmuffin make no sense and he still hasn't explained either of them. also there's the whole associatives with zmuffin although that's predicated on zmuffin-scum

I agree with zmuffin that the wagon that got sc lynched has little info. Yet, the fact he did not do said analysis (assuming without searching) that would be scummy as you should be providing info promised.

It is the same thing part of my issues with Prophy are for.

[Titus]

That's probably her angle if scum. I would be pretty fucking impressed if she could take my advice to heart that quickly, though.

if she's scum it'd make sense considering she didn't have much time to adjust her scumgame. she tried to replicate her town meta but since she didn't have any time to entirely change her play the way she was so stubborn about weird things came across as forced. do you disagree?

But it's not forced. I am just saying my reads don't change bc I don't fall into absurdity of yhe majority fallacy. I am not scumreading all who defend him or the absurd.

[Casso the King of Seals]

There's also a matter of his Bert tunneling in general; it's shallow as hell and it essentially involves SAD quoting a Bert post, responding with "this is so scummy, make it die" and then going back to the shadows of scumfuckery. It's extremely similar to the Shadoweh-Bert tunneling which attacks the hell out of him because he's easy to attack, complain about how he's not getting lynched fast enough, proceed to do nothing else.

That enough case for you, Generic/Titus?

No. If it was this shallow, you'd quote it and show that. A man of few words is not shallow. SAD may be scum but this is bad.

It's bad because I didn't quote things? Let me get to rectifying that then.

[pieguyn]

I agree with zmuffin that the wagon that got sc lynched has little info. Yet, the fact he did not do said analysis (assuming without searching) that would be scummy as you should be providing info promised.

wait, how much of the thread have you read? for someone who hasn't read the thread this is a really specific point to agree about

either that or you took it from your former daychat

anyway the point is that he blatantly made up a stance and then flip flopped when pressured about it. the about of information you can actually get from the wagon is irrelevant

[Casso the King of Seals]

Be back later. I suggest leaving SSK alive as he doesn't need to be lynched until it's actually MYLO/LYLO. Wasting a lynch on him now is pretty pointless, we already know what he will flip. Try someone else that's suspicious so we have more info tomorrow.

Vote: Bert

bert y u so fake

This is shallow.

On the other hand, SAD is laying low and voting me LOL and not saying much else other than attaching "scum" to every post I make.

Yes.

This is shallow.

I've been trying to suggest pushing someone not named SSK, since SSK flip gives us no info, but it went nowhere

lol

This is shallow.

Titus, do you disagree with that? Why didn't you go into his ISO and look for yourself?

[Casso the King of Seals]

That's probably her angle if scum. I would be pretty fucking impressed if she could take my advice to heart that quickly, though.

if she's scum it'd make sense considering she didn't have much time to adjust her scumgame. she tried to replicate her town meta but since she didn't have any time to entirely change her play the way she was so stubborn about weird things came across as forced. do you disagree?

I do because it doesn't feel forced to me. She usually gets stuck on weird things as either alignment, but the soft claiming vig to vanilla theory is beyond insane and yet somehow still in the range of Titus-strange. It could probably be faked, fair, but I don't think the added layers of ridiculousness make it scummy because Titus occasionally does have ridiculous theories such as this one.

[Titus]

I agree with zmuffin that the wagon that got sc lynched has little info. Yet, the fact he did not do said analysis (assuming without searching) that would be scummy as you should be providing info promised.

wait, how much of the thread have you read? for someone who hasn't read the thread this is a really specific point to agree about

either that or you took it from your former daychat

anyway the point is that he blatantly made up a stance and then flip flopped when pressured about it. the about of information you can actually get from the wagon is irrelevant

I have no opinion on that. Deadline actions have little info. Hence why I agree there's less info on the wagon that went through and that looking to earlier versions is helpful.

The rest, I would have to review. I wanted to try andread from a neutral perspective, not one of tunnels and conclusions.

[Casso the King of Seals]

btw my case on SAD is p much his BS defense of SSK. he claimed he didn't want a SSK lynch bc "lack of information", but then other people got lynched and he completely forgot all about getting information from lynches. when pressured, he basically just started flip flopping and making shit up to cover up his stance on SSK. in 4300 he misreps "information" as entirely consisting of the wagon from the SC lynch, when there's way more information to be gained. he KNOWS this, as indicated by 4303:

Now I can easily speculate why these two are excempt from suspicion but I want SADs reasons and his thoughts on their connection to the SC wagon.

Please abort any thought of analyzing the SC wagon THAT GOT HIM LYNCHED and instead look for who was pushing him earlier in the day (which I want to do when I have a bit of time).

not to mention he never actually did this. conclusion: he was just making shit up to cover up his BS defense. it was bad enough before SSK was confscum and SSK's scumflip reaffirms that his defense was BS (especially the fact he flipped encryptor). he also accused me of being scum for a "generic OMGUS" by pushing back on people who accused me, but then did the same thing himself in 4114. his reads on me (null -> town -> scum -> town) and zmuffin make no sense and he still hasn't explained either of them. also there's the whole associatives with zmuffin although that's predicated on zmuffin-scum

I agree with zmuffin that the wagon that got sc lynched has little info. Yet, the fact he did not do said analysis (assuming without searching) that would be scummy as you should be providing info promised.

It is the same thing part of my issues with Prophy are for.

Remind me of your issues with Prophy. Why did you drop the BBQ push?

[Titus]

That's probably her angle if scum. I would be pretty fucking impressed if she could take my advice to heart that quickly, though.

if she's scum it'd make sense considering she didn't have much time to adjust her scumgame. she tried to replicate her town meta but since she didn't have any time to entirely change her play the way she was so stubborn about weird things came across as forced. do you disagree?

I do because it doesn't feel forced to me. She usually gets stuck on weird things as either alignment, but the soft claiming vig to vanilla theory is beyond insane and yet somehow still in the range of Titus-strange. It could probably be faked, fair, but I don't think the added layers of ridiculousness make it scummy because Titus occasionally does have ridiculous theories such as this one.

Scum set up fakeclaims all the time. There's nothing invalid about the theory. Most don't think it is sound.

Fact: Two vigs is remote.
Fact: A vig is dead.
Conclusion: Anyone else softclaiming vig is scum, laying a fake claim.


No one else happens to think thay's what he was doing but me.

[Titus]

btw my case on SAD is p much his BS defense of SSK. he claimed he didn't want a SSK lynch bc "lack of information", but then other people got lynched and he completely forgot all about getting information from lynches. when pressured, he basically just started flip flopping and making shit up to cover up his stance on SSK. in 4300 he misreps "information" as entirely consisting of the wagon from the SC lynch, when there's way more information to be gained. he KNOWS this, as indicated by 4303:

Now I can easily speculate why these two are excempt from suspicion but I want SADs reasons and his thoughts on their connection to the SC wagon.

Please abort any thought of analyzing the SC wagon THAT GOT HIM LYNCHED and instead look for who was pushing him earlier in the day (which I want to do when I have a bit of time).

not to mention he never actually did this. conclusion: he was just making shit up to cover up his BS defense. it was bad enough before SSK was confscum and SSK's scumflip reaffirms that his defense was BS (especially the fact he flipped encryptor). he also accused me of being scum for a "generic OMGUS" by pushing back on people who accused me, but then did the same thing himself in 4114. his reads on me (null -> town -> scum -> town) and zmuffin make no sense and he still hasn't explained either of them. also there's the whole associatives with zmuffin although that's predicated on zmuffin-scum

I agree with zmuffin that the wagon that got sc lynched has little info. Yet, the fact he did not do said analysis (assuming without searching) that would be scummy as you should be providing info promised.

It is the same thing part of my issues with Prophy are for.

Remind me of your issues with Prophy. Why did you drop the BBQ push?

Carryover from Bert (bah hammers+votes+bad vca), plus lack of promised content = Prophy.

I dropped BBQ to a null bc his vca was good. I just won't townread him bc the majorityvus.

[Casso the King of Seals]

That's probably her angle if scum. I would be pretty fucking impressed if she could take my advice to heart that quickly, though.

if she's scum it'd make sense considering she didn't have much time to adjust her scumgame. she tried to replicate her town meta but since she didn't have any time to entirely change her play the way she was so stubborn about weird things came across as forced. do you disagree?

I do because it doesn't feel forced to me. She usually gets stuck on weird things as either alignment, but the soft claiming vig to vanilla theory is beyond insane and yet somehow still in the range of Titus-strange. It could probably be faked, fair, but I don't think the added layers of ridiculousness make it scummy because Titus occasionally does have ridiculous theories such as this one.

Scum set up fakeclaims all the time. There's nothing invalid about the theory. Most don't think it is sound.

Fact: Two vigs is remote.
Fact: A vig is dead.
Conclusion: Anyone else softclaiming vig is scum, laying a fake claim.


No one else happens to think thay's what he was doing but me.

That's true. I happen to think that scum wouldn't attempt fake claiming vig when the real vig was lynched Day 1 and there have been no extra kills since, but maybe I'm just crazy as hell.

[Casso the King of Seals]

btw my case on SAD is p much his BS defense of SSK. he claimed he didn't want a SSK lynch bc "lack of information", but then other people got lynched and he completely forgot all about getting information from lynches. when pressured, he basically just started flip flopping and making shit up to cover up his stance on SSK. in 4300 he misreps "information" as entirely consisting of the wagon from the SC lynch, when there's way more information to be gained. he KNOWS this, as indicated by 4303:

Now I can easily speculate why these two are excempt from suspicion but I want SADs reasons and his thoughts on their connection to the SC wagon.

Please abort any thought of analyzing the SC wagon THAT GOT HIM LYNCHED and instead look for who was pushing him earlier in the day (which I want to do when I have a bit of time).

not to mention he never actually did this. conclusion: he was just making shit up to cover up his BS defense. it was bad enough before SSK was confscum and SSK's scumflip reaffirms that his defense was BS (especially the fact he flipped encryptor). he also accused me of being scum for a "generic OMGUS" by pushing back on people who accused me, but then did the same thing himself in 4114. his reads on me (null -> town -> scum -> town) and zmuffin make no sense and he still hasn't explained either of them. also there's the whole associatives with zmuffin although that's predicated on zmuffin-scum

I agree with zmuffin that the wagon that got sc lynched has little info. Yet, the fact he did not do said analysis (assuming without searching) that would be scummy as you should be providing info promised.

It is the same thing part of my issues with Prophy are for.

Remind me of your issues with Prophy. Why did you drop the BBQ push?

Carryover from Bert (bah hammers+votes+bad vca), plus lack of promised content = Prophy.

I dropped BBQ to a null bc his vca was good. I just won't townread him bc the majorityvus.

You dropped him down because his vca was good? What makes you think he would have bad vca as scum/why does that make him town in the slightest?
And when you say you won't townread him because the majority does, what the hell do you mean by that?

[Ms Marangal]

My gooooodddddd
this game will never eennddddd
I would like to make a request though!

can we keep this day going until at least the 6th? please, please, pretty please?
we could even make the next scum lynch that day, when I'm drunk and posting and stuff. would be the awesomest Birthday present everrrrrr

and me being drunk could result in that transparency everyone is looking for but never, ever sees in Mara-posts... Maybe

I had a super duper special message to give F-16 that I left in our QT in the event I die, but it looks like I can deliver that message my self. yaaayyyyyy

Titus, you will always scum-read Nero no matter who he plays with, no matter what he does, even though he town as all fuck, you will always be scum-reading him and you are tunneling him for the exact same things (or rather, similar things) you were pushing against us in Venmars game

SO SHUSH FOR A FEW DAYS, OR MAYBE A WEEK AND LET ME DO WHAT I DO PLZ AND THANK YOU

[Casso the King of Seals]

My gooooodddddd
this game will never eennddddd
I would like to make a request though!

can we keep this day going until at least the 6th? please, please, pretty please?
we could even make the next scum lynch that day, when I'm drunk and posting and stuff. would be the awesomest Birthday present everrrrrr

and me being drunk could result in that transparency everyone is looking for but never, ever sees in Mara-posts... Maybe

Hell no. There is no reason to artificially delay another day; that's what yesterday was for.

[KoreanBBQ]

Is this the Nacho bus we've been waiting for?

What is the benefit of QLing SAD?

[Casso the King of Seals]

There is no suggestion to quicklynch SAD in any of my posts.
I don't want to wait 11 days to lynch someone for absolutely no reason. Do you?

[Ms Marangal]

Thor, you're no fun :/

Could you at least give me time to do stuff, then?

I wouldn't actually mind a SAD, Titus, or Prophy lynch at this point in time, buuttt I do want to be able to make sure to use whatever time I have since, I feel like this is the day where I'll be performing the best

[Sakura Hana]

There is no suggestion to quicklynch SAD in any of my posts.

Umm...

I don't want to wait 11 days to lynch someone for absolutely no reason. Do you?

That's exactly what you're suggesting in this post.

[Casso the King of Seals]

My Thorfu vibes are apparently pretty impressive right now.