NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Empire]

RadiantCowbells replaces BROseidon.

[Empire]

Day 3, Votecount 19

MafiaSSK (5)

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Sakura Hana, RadiantCowbells, Norlkaz, Ms Marangal, Titus

Prophylaxis (1)

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Ser Arthur Dayne

Norlkaz (1)

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KoreanBBQ

Titus (1)

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goodmorning

Ser Arthur Dayne (1)

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pieguyn

Not Voting (7)

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F-16_Fighting_Falcon, MafiaSSK, zMuffinMan, geists, Prophylaxis, Casso the King of Seals, Generic

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch! Deadline is on January 26th at 4:30 PM EST or in (expired on 2014-01-26 17:28:18)

Mod Notes

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N/A

[geists]

Town

MC Maraca/Ms Marangal
Good Morning
Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665)
KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) (stronger ffery read, lean town for Nati)

Lean Town

Generic
Sakura Hana
pieguyn

Limbo

F-16_Fighting_Falcon (ffery is lean-town, Nati is null)
Bert/Proph - More content from Proph will change this
zMuffinMan (Nati is lean-town, ffery is null)
Ser Arthur Dayne
Norkalz (Nati really doesn't like this version of llamarble. ffery is null and kinda likes that post that just popped up in p-edit)

Scum

BROseidon/Radiant Cowbells (close to null but his below-the-radar play on day 2 scares both of us. ffery is thinking really hard about xenoblade about now.
Ceph/Titus (fell from null-town in part due to argument with generic and in part due to titus entrance and subsequent horrible pushes.)
MafiaSSK - confscum

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I am still keeping the "I can read ffery but she can't read me" bragging rights.

[geists]

That was my first game with llamarble and I had no idea how to read him. His reads were more accurate than mine for the most part, but during that game on day 1 and 2 I didn't know what to make of him. He had reads but he wasn't pushing them very hard, and the one hard stance he took (espeonage-town) I really disagreed with after I read through the game projectmatt linked and the case he made for espe-scum. So, I'm in a similar situation - not really understanding the basis for some of his reads, and therefore not trusting them. And his playstyle is different but I don't know if that's playing to his alt-meta. He has a harder edge in this game than he did in Red Wine.

Hey, I managed to withdraw my Espeonage lynch veto before we got to the end of D1
F16 is right that there was a decent 'scum are voting him' component.

Today, we're lynching SSK. I've checked a couple times, including just now, and don't disagree with this. I think I got it wrong previously and it will result in a scumflip.
It often takes me a long time to explain myself, and sometimes I just end up backtracking anyway (see original SSK townreasons that had some significant holes).
Generally you will see explanations from me when I have either something particularly interesting or something relatively simple to explain or need to do it to be persuasive.

I can relate to the long-time-explaining-self thing.

[geists]

I am still keeping the "I can read ffery but she can't read me" bragging rights.

ffery's townreading you. Is this a scumclaim?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

"Lean town?" I figured ffery would have my meta nailed.

Anyways, I obviously don't have a strong townread on Casso. I feel Generic and Pieguyn are a little more obviously town than Casso/KBBQ but I am warming up to KBBQ considerably.

- Can you describe town and scum things from Bert's slot?
- Why do you lean town on Sakura?
- I think BRO-town can be below the radar based on a town game of his I read. I think he would be more focussed and "in the game" as scum and it seems to be his preferred affiliation.

[Sakura Hana]

RadiantCowbells replaces BROseidon.

@Mod: Yet apparently BROseidon is still on the votecount

~Fixed. (Empire)

Hi RC, SSK is claimed scum, geists is innocent from a dead gunsmith scan and Mara and gm (and idk who else) are masons, as far as I remember.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Unvote
Vote: MafiaSSK

This day should probably end now. Now sure what to think on titus. Can't really decide between bad or scum, but I'm gonna give the slot the benefit of the doubt for now since I had a townread of Ceph.

[goodmorning]

I like this new geists that I am seeing.

It is so pleasant.

[geists]

"Lean town?" I figured ffery would have my meta nailed.

Your large-game play doesn't fit my model very well. I've compensated a little, but there's only so far I'll go when the play doesn't fit the map.

Anyways, I obviously don't have a strong townread on Casso. I feel Generic and Pieguyn are a little more obviously town than Casso/KBBQ but I am warming up to KBBQ considerably.

I'd be ok with generic in the top tier but I think Nati has better insight into his play. Pieguyn read has slowly and steadily moved up from my scumpile on day 1.

- Can you describe town and scum things from Bert's slot?

bert's reaction to my goading him about fencesitting on my read basically resulted in a snap-read of town. Objectively some of the stuff he did was anti-town, but it's all stuff he does as both town and scum - particularly the hammer without a claim. People don't have him in the same category as Saki regarding putting people at L-1 but they probably should.

- Why do you lean town on Sakura?

partly convergence of reads over the course of day 2 and 3, when I was keeping some of my reads off the table. partly coming to accept that she might have been so attached to her "ffery-scum-tell" that she glossed over evidence it was flawed in prior games.

- I think BRO-town can be below the radar based on a town game of his I read. I think he would be more focussed and "in the game" as scum and it seems to be his preferred affiliation.

BRO-town can be below the radar, but he takes stances and pushes them, and he pops in and says so quite emphatically when he doesn't like the direction a game takes. When that happens he also gets much more tethered to the game. His primary stance this game was Casso-scum.

[KoreanBBQ]

BBQ, why do you keep pushing me as scum without evidence, I at least said mine.

[Yukkuri-aya.jpg]

Let's play a game. If I quote the "evidence" (you mean reason) for Titus-scum I posted in this game, you get to selfvote tomorrow and include the sentence "please lynch me" in every posts you make.

[goodmorning]

I have this strange feeling that it's {Casso, Titus, RC, SSK}

reeeallyy strangee

[KoreanBBQ]

BBQ, why do you keep pushing me as scum

without evidence

, I at least said mine.

*low whistle*

Well for one the bolded is something I find comes from scum pretty often.

Mine (and I assume GIF's as well) main issue is with the really really really bad push on our slot. The entire "Nero softclaimed vig" thing is beyond terrible.

he should play like it on Day one prior to his motive to claim

I mean, I didn't really like this since I don't think there's any "if you are this role, you play a certain way."

SSK vote parking on BBQ suggests he isn't scum but notably SSK didn't vote BBQ when he could actually be lynched.

We've already talked about this. I still think this looks like an attempt to link me with SSK. I think you are experienced enough to know that scum WILL hop on a buddies scum lynch for town cred so your calling me null kinda looks like you trying to distance yourself from said pitiful case.

I think your "well, this wagon wasn't going to go through." doesn't make a lot of sense 'cause for all intents and purposes SSK thought my wagon would go through.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Geists, you make good points on Sakura and Bert. I think it fits with Sakura's personality to be attached to a revelation that she seems to have concluded. I want to see more from Proph before nailing down that read. I'd still like to hear Nati's concerns about Norl.

[KoreanBBQ]

Not really.
But I'm not gonna reiterate until titus accept to play the game.

[KoreanBBQ]

+ there's a POE element and I wasn't a big Cephir fan.

I actually don't think you are as scummy as GIF does. I have enough experience with you that, to me, it looks like normal horrible Titus to me but the argument that your scumread is forced 'cause you are pushing a terrible terrible case and when everyone is telling you how bad your case is you just stick your fingers in your ears and yell "NOT LISTNING.", makes a lot of sense to me.

Nacho also made a post about you that I was agreeing with. Though I also agree with Fery that a pl on your slot would be perfectly fine.

[KoreanBBQ]

+ there's a POE element and I wasn't a big Cephir fan.

I actually don't think you are as scummy as GIF does. I have enough experience with you that, to me, it looks like normal horrible Titus to me but the argument that your scumread is forced 'cause you are pushing a terrible terrible case and when everyone is telling you how bad your case is you just stick your fingers in your ears and yell "NOT LISTNING.", makes a lot of sense to me.

Nacho also made a post about you that I was agreeing with. Though I also agree with Fery that a pl on your slot would be perfectly fine.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay then, let's lynch SSK.

'Cept I'm already on that wagon :3

[Titus]

My case isn't terrible. Two vigs is nigh on impossible. The only possible disagreement is whether you actually softclaimed vig. If someone disagrees with that, they won't scumread you. It's a valid case. Whether it is sound is debatable. How you softclaimed is pretty much how I would softclaim.

I have played the game. I posted a shiny vca and even accepted he results when they were partially inconsistent with my read on you. Will you quit acting like a five year old because someone suspects you? God, wading through all this AtE is headache inducing.

[KoreanBBQ]

Ahem

BBQ, why do you keep pushing me as scum without evidence, I at least said mine.

[Yukkuri-aya.jpg]

Let's play a game. If I quote the "evidence" (you mean reason) for Titus-scum I posted in this game, you get to selfvote tomorrow and include the sentence "please lynch me" in every posts you make.

[KoreanBBQ]

I have played the game.

I'm talking about the 6336, if it wasn't clear.

[KoreanBBQ]

God, wading through all this AtE is headache inducing.

I don't think you know what AtE is.

I agree though two vigs is basically impossible but there's not 2 vigs and you harping on that is extremely stupid.

[Titus]

I have a new deal. You post your so called evidence, and I will feed it to you when you get lynched scum. I almost never self-vote or asked to be lynched. Don't offer me deals but straight up facts.

AtE is an appeal to emotion.

[geists]

I can already tell we'll be spinning in our QT grave tomorrow. I'll probably have to stop reading the game.