LoL eSports Discussion

GreyICE · Post Post #650 (ISO) » Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:33 pm

I follow OGN religiously.

Frost is a good team cursed with a huge issue - they only have one playmaker. They used to have two, but CloudTemplar slowly fell off until his retirement, and his replacement has not proved any better. With only Madlife to initiate, they end up looking like a collection of 5 good players without a plan.

You CANNOT win in OGN without a plan. Frost would easily compete with TSM/Cloud 9 in NA (although I think they're weaker) and could probably do well in EU, but there's too many teams who are strong in the fundamentals. And Frost never really brings anything original to the table. Ozone smashing them (when they struggled against NJWS) should be a wake up call for them - they need to do SOMETHING differently. Madlife is no longer a plan - Mata, Mada, and Pooh are all his equal, and you cannot have one superstar make a team. There's a reason Ozone beat SKT1 back when SKT1's plan was "rely on Faker, gee gee"

chesskid3 · Post Post #651 (ISO) » Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:42 pm

but he is god of thresh

Kise · Post Post #652 (ISO) » Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:07 pm

Mafa 5/1/10 with support Malphite. Sona just couldn't do anything against 3 beefcakes and a Riven.

JDGA · Post Post #653 (ISO) » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:13 pm

Fnatic is an utter

joy

to watch right now.

quadz08 · Post Post #654 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:41 pm

dayum

dat teemo

and DAT TEEMO BAN

quadz08 · Post Post #655 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:09 pm

I am pleasantly surprised by the XDG roleswap

GreyICE · Post Post #656 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:01 pm

In post 599, GreyICE wrote:The worst teams in NA right now, at this very moment, are Dignitas and EG.

Hey. I think this was awesome.

In post 598, quadz08 wrote:Ok, I can see XDG coming in 8th, that's fair. Curse I'll go with "I hope not" and leave it at that?

It will be 100 years before I understand this post though.

quadz08 · Post Post #657 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:03 pm

XDG played better than I expected. I think the role swap was good for them.

I don't really know what to make of Curse. In retrospect, they're probably bottom 3, but I have a hard time thinking they'll come in dead last, I guess.

orcinus_theoriginal · Post Post #658 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:21 pm

Who is the worst support, mechanically? Uh, KiWiKid (although he didn't exactly stand out as particularly bad in Dignitas' losses, but that's a different issue). But Krepo never made challenger, even when he was trying, and I don't think you can put him up to LemonNation, XPecial, Godwater, or even Aphromoo.

Yeah krep was shit today you are on point

GreyICE · Post Post #659 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:22 pm

XDG came in third and went 1-1 against Gambit in worlds. With Zuna as ADC.

Why do people persist in thinking they're some terrible team? Mancloud is a beast, Godwater is Godwater, Benny is pretty damn good. Xmithie got better and better over the season. So even if they'd left Zuna in there, I can't imagine them doing worse than 3rd or 4th in the split (especially with Dig unable to beat CLG when CLG doesn't even have a real team)

In post 658, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
Who is the worst support, mechanically? Uh, KiWiKid (although he didn't exactly stand out as particularly bad in Dignitas' losses, but that's a different issue). But Krepo never made challenger, even when he was trying, and I don't think you can put him up to LemonNation, XPecial, Godwater, or even Aphromoo.
Yeah krep was shit today you are on point

There entire team was a flaming pile of poo today. Snoopeh kind of stands out of the shitstorm that was their performance as the nadir, but I don't think there's anything nice you can say about any of it.

orcinus_theoriginal · Post Post #660 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:16 pm

In post 659, GreyICE wrote:Mancloud is a beast, Godwater is Godwater, Benny is pretty damn good. Xmithie got better and better over the season. So even if they'd left Zuna in there, I can't imagine them doing worse than 3rd or 4th in the split (especially with Dig unable to beat CLG when CLG doesn't even have a real team)

Mancloud is a beast, Godwater has a champ pool of two and sona is not as effective s4 and she was s3, xmithie is in an entirely new role

GreyICE · Post Post #661 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:28 pm

See, people will hype Snoopeh and crew up despite us having copious footage of his play. Similarly people will mock Godwater despite the fact that they keep winning and having tons of footage of how much of that was him.

You ever noticed how people don't bother to ban out Godwater? Think that no pro team has ever thought "hmmm, Vulcun is only third in the LCS, we really should try to beat them, what happens if we ban out godwater?" (answer: he plays other champions)

quadz08 · Post Post #662 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:45 pm

I make no denial that Mancloud is an absolute monster. Absolute terror in mid. I guess my opinion of XDG is probably colored by their performance at worlds more than it should be, since the competition in NA is (naturally) not as difficult as it is on the worlds stage.

Junpei · Post Post #663 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:34 am

Well XDG doesnt have top 2 players at any position just in NA. As a team, imo they benefited from a lot of things going in their favor in NA scene. The bottom of NA was complete trash (relatively speaking obviously), CLG was out of whack with bot lane being mixed up; TSM randomly dropped out of the top 2 with poor play.

Teams in NA better than XDG: C9, CLG, TSM

I'd put them in the same tier as CRS and DIG.

quadz08 · Post Post #664 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:23 am

XDG is likely a better team than curse and dig at this point, tbh

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #665 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:34 am

I would be willing to put a bet on xdg finishing higher than clg.

BROseidon · Post Post #666 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:37 am

XDG is a far better team than like 75+% of people give them credit for.

BROseidon · Post Post #667 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:38 am

Also, I'm not gonna count EG out yet; they're still adjusting to two new members, and the XDG stomp was largely pick-driven (EG picked shit solo lanes and got wrecked. Shocker)

GreyICE · Post Post #668 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:41 am

In post 665, Svenskt Stål wrote:I would be willing to put a bet on xdg finishing higher than clg.

Probably a safe bet, but we still haven't actually seen CLG. For all that they're performing quite well right now, they're performing quite well with a Jungler who is clearly not pro-level and a midlaner who has... an interesting champion pool.

Dexter is a GREAT jungler. As CLG said, their goal this week is to not go 0-4. The fact they're within 1k gold of C9 at 19 minutes is pretty scary.

Edit: Nevermind, I'm just scared of CLG. If they've actually mastered that elusive concept of "consistency" they're terrifying.

Edit2: Ah, there's the CLG we know and love.

Edit3: I dunno if "give up on dragon" is a review of Link's smiting mechanics or not.

orcinus_theoriginal · Post Post #669 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:27 am

In post 661, GreyICE wrote:See, people will hype Snoopeh and crew up despite us having copious footage of his play. Similarly people will mock Godwater despite the fact that they keep winning and having tons of footage of how much of that was him.

You ever noticed how people don't bother to ban out Godwater? Think that no pro team has ever thought "hmmm, Vulcun is only third in the LCS, we really should try to beat them, what happens if we ban out godwater?" (answer: he plays other champions)

so 1 i didn't make a judgement on eg and 2 nice game today!

Also just as a note the fact that bloodwater only has such a linear champion pick and that he isn't banned shows you how much people fear him

GreyICE · Post Post #670 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:57 pm

In post 669, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: so 1 i didn't make a judgement on eg and 2 nice game today!

Also just as a note the fact that bloodwater only has such a linear champion pick and that he isn't banned shows you how much people fear him

Doubling down on stupidity just makes you twice as stupid. Sorry friend, Godwater is still a great support.

PJ. · Post Post #671 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:26 pm

Hey, Yasuo is getting LCS play. Why?

orcinus_theoriginal · Post Post #672 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:29 pm

I have seen trundle-yasuo and I am a believer

mykonian · Post Post #673 (ISO) » Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:44 am

In post 670, GreyICE wrote:
In post 669, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: so 1 i didn't make a judgement on eg and 2 nice game today!

Also just as a note the fact that bloodwater only has such a linear champion pick and that he isn't banned shows you how much people fear him
Doubling down on stupidity just makes you twice as stupid. Sorry friend, Godwater is still a great support.

How is it that so often, you are as interested in insulting someone who disagrees with you as you are in actually arguing your point?

PJ. · Post Post #674 (ISO) » Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:11 am

Cause he's an asshole, just don't address him. If he was as good as he thinks he is, he wouldn't be silver 5 like the vast majority of league players.

To his credit though, he has a ton of game knowledge and knowledge of the pro scene.

Anyway, can anyone breakdown Yasuo for me, or should I just read a guide/watch a video?