NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[KoreanBBQ]

If you don't believe me my buddies from the QT can confirm that he's town.

[Empire]

Day 3, Votecount 11

MafiaSSK (3)

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Sakura Hana, BROseidon, Norlkaz

Ser Arthur Dayne (2)

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pieguyn, KoreanBBQ

Bert (2)

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Ser Arthur Dayne, Generic

zMuffinMan (1)

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Ms Marangal

Not Voting (7)

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F-16_Fighting_Falcon, MafiaSSK, zMuffinMan, geists, Titus, Bert, Casso the King of Seals

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch! Deadline is on January 26th at 4:30 PM EST or in (expired on 2014-01-26 17:28:18)

Mod Notes

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MafiaSSK is V/LA until Saturday. Generic is V/LA until Sunday.

[Casso the King of Seals]

If you don't believe me my buddies from the QT can confirm that he's town.

I don't think I'm asking a question unreasonable enough to deserve this as the answer.

[Casso the King of Seals]

I mean, at least be honest if you can't put it into words and tell me that. Don't give me snark and pretend that helps anything. Or at least say you think I'm blatant scum and you don't need to answer anything, don't give me half an answer and dance away.

[geists]

Why?

Do you think otherwise?

[Casso the King of Seals]

I do, which is why I'd like to hear the logic for a town read so I can compare/contrast.

Why, what's your take on him?

[Titus]

Mod.. I replaced Cephir...are you telling me I was self-voting?

UNVOTE: Anyone who Cephir was voting[/vote]

[Titus]

UNVOTE: Cephir's selfvote

[KoreanBBQ]

I vaguely remember playing in a game with F-16, this is the F-16 town meta I remember.

I think he makes good points about SAD and I think he's being helpful and I feel like he's genuinely hunting scum.

The pool of players were too large. I wanted to focus on mutually agreed upon scumreads first and see if I can get a better read on Nacho in the meantime.

I think this post is strange. I remember him making a MD post about one shouldn't hunt anyone that isn't currently being discussed. This looks very similar to that.

So I think he's town.

[Sakura Hana]

I kind of want SSK lynched ASAP but it's true that geists it's most likely going to die tonight, so we want as much input from them before day end.

[KoreanBBQ]

@Everyone, who are the 3 most likely scum in this group?

Casso the King of Seals
pieguyn
BROseidon
Norlkaz
Ser Arthur Dayne
zMuffinMan
Titus

[Sakura Hana]

@Everyone, who are the 3 most likely scum in this group?

Casso the King of Seals

pieguyn

BROseidon
Norlkaz

Ser Arthur Dayne

zMuffinMan

Titus

There, I gave you 3 levels of strength in reads.

[Casso the King of Seals]

The pool of players were too large. I wanted to focus on mutually agreed upon scumreads first and see if I can get a better read on Nacho in the meantime.

I think this post is strange. I remember him making a MD post about one shouldn't hunt anyone that isn't currently being discussed. This looks very similar to that.

So I think he's town.

I can kind of get behind this mentality.

The hangup for me was that he asked the Masons, functionally, if there was a third mason and who was it. I can think of reasons that is helpful to scum, but I can't think of any that are helpful to town. Do you think that's me being crazy, him just being silly, or him mining for scumvantage info?

I kind of want SSK lynched ASAP but it's true that geists it's most likely going to die tonight, so we want as much input from them before day end.

Posh, everyone will pay attention to his reads for about the first 3 pages of the next dayphase, then we'll all just return to our regular thoughts and forget about him.

What do you think about Muffin? I hate reading Muffin, what's your read on him if any?
An opinion about the Falcon Mason question I noted to BBQ in the above quote also wouldn't be sad to see.

[geists]

I do, which is why I'd like to hear the logic for a town read so I can compare/contrast.

Why, what's your take on him?

I told him what concerned me about his play earlier. His response - which boiled down to large games being too unwieldy to play the way he plays games with smaller player lists - does make sense to me. I developed my playstyle in a very different environment - playing mostly larger games with 16-25 players in a very short game-day timeframe - 12 to 24 hours. I relied entirely on experiential meta (and a really good memory for prior game details) and gut reactions to posts. Actually going back to a prior game and confirming my memory was infrequent. I usually fall back on that playstyle during the early days of large MS games, with some meta research on the side to prop up my impressions of players I don't know well.

I also remembered how little he was able to contribute to the game progression in the hunterxhunterx game. He's done a ton more here.

His read of you/thor really hinges on Thor and to some extent Thor putting that vote down on him when you had expressed a pretty solid townread. It's less objective than what I associate with his play, but I think something like that would have focused the hell out of my attention, too. I'd deal with it a little differently.

[geists]

I do, which is why I'd like to hear the logic for a town read so I can compare/contrast.

Why, what's your take on him?

I told him what concerned me about his play earlier. His response - which boiled down to large games being too unwieldy to play the way he plays games with smaller player lists - does make sense to me. I developed my playstyle in a very different environment - playing mostly larger games with 16-25 players in a very short game-day timeframe - 12 to 24 hours. I relied entirely on experiential meta (and a really good memory for prior game details) and gut reactions to posts. Actually going back to a prior game and confirming my memory was infrequent. I usually fall back on that playstyle during the early days of large MS games, with some meta research on the side to prop up my impressions of players I don't know well.

I also remembered how little he was able to contribute to the game progression in the hunterxhunterx game. He's done a ton more here.

His read of you/thor really hinges on Thor and to some extent Thor putting that vote down on him when you had expressed a pretty solid townread. It's less objective than what I associate with his play, but I think something like that would have focused the hell out of my attention, too. I'd deal with it a little differently.

[geists]

I do, which is why I'd like to hear the logic for a town read so I can compare/contrast.

Why, what's your take on him?

I told him what concerned me about his play earlier. His response - which boiled down to large games being too unwieldy to play the way he plays games with smaller player lists - does make sense to me. I developed my playstyle in a very different environment - playing mostly larger games with 16-25 players in a very short game-day timeframe - 12 to 24 hours. I relied entirely on experiential meta (and a really good memory for prior game details) and gut reactions to posts. Actually going back to a prior game and confirming my memory was infrequent. I usually fall back on that playstyle during the early days of large MS games, with some meta research on the side to prop up my impressions of players I don't know well.

I also remembered how little he was able to contribute to the game progression in the hunterxhunterx game. He's done a ton more here.

His read of you/thor really hinges on Thor and to some extent Thor putting that vote down on him when you had expressed a pretty solid townread. It's less objective than what I associate with his play, but I think something like that would have focused the hell out of my attention, too. I'd deal with it a little differently.

[Casso the King of Seals]

@Everyone, who are the 3 most likely scum in this group?

Casso the King of Seals

pieguyn

BROseidon
Norlkaz

Ser Arthur Dayne

zMuffinMan

Titus

There, I gave you 3 levels of strength in reads.

I think Mafia's flip will also clarify the BRO slot pretty well.

[geists]

wow. triple post.

[geists]

@Everyone, who are the 3 most likely scum in this group?

Casso the King of Seals

pieguyn

BROseidon
Norlkaz

Ser Arthur Dayne

zMuffinMan

Titus

There, I gave you 3 levels of strength in reads.

I think Mafia's flip will also clarify the BRO slot pretty well.

How do you feel about Norlkaz?

[Sakura Hana]

How do you feel about Norlkaz?

Very slight lean scum, because i feel kinda meh about him. And by that I mean that I want to remember any significant he's done this game and i come up blank.

[Casso the King of Seals]

His read of you/thor really hinges on Thor and to some extent Thor putting that vote down on him when you had expressed a pretty solid townread. It's less objective than what I associate with his play, but I think something like that would have focused the hell out of my attention, too. I'd deal with it a little differently.

Well, first off you are talking with Thor right now - Nacho had a few posts in there last night but the last two days of posting have been almost exclusively me.

Also, he is clearly OMGUSing there, and further than that ignoring my stated reasons for the vote while just whining that we placed it without actually sweating the logic or the reasoning. That he has issues with bigger games curls my toes a bit that he doesn't spot my issues at that stage.

That said, your opinion on the Mason issue I raised with him? I can forgive his bad case on us, I get bad cases made on me all the time and most are quite worse than what he is doing here which is really just complaining that I'm anti-town while acting like it's a scumtell, but his Mason question really bugs me, and if that were cleared up my issue with the slot would dramatically shift. I just can't figure out why he would want that answered.

[geists]

His read of you/thor really hinges on Thor and to some extent Thor putting that vote down on him when you had expressed a pretty solid townread. It's less objective than what I associate with his play, but I think something like that would have focused the hell out of my attention, too. I'd deal with it a little differently.

Well, first off you are talking with Thor right now - Nacho had a few posts in there last night but the last two days of posting have been almost exclusively me.

Also, he is clearly OMGUSing there, and further than that ignoring my stated reasons for the vote while just whining that we placed it without actually sweating the logic or the reasoning. That he has issues with bigger games curls my toes a bit that he doesn't spot my issues at that stage.

That said, your opinion on the Mason issue I raised with him? I can forgive his bad case on us, I get bad cases made on me all the time and most are quite worse than what he is doing here which is really just complaining that I'm anti-town while acting like it's a scumtell, but his Mason question really bugs me, and if that were cleared up my issue with the slot would dramatically shift. I just can't figure out why he would want that answered.

So you and Nacho haven't talked about what that's about?

Mafia Pinnipedum, the just-completed Mini game modded by Vi/Tierce.

Town Mason penguin_alien was neighborized by scum_Cabd. Her mason partner was vig-killed on night 1. She was so convinced cabd was town in their QT discussions that she wound up crumbing (and later let Cabd claim outright) that he was a third mason, not a neighbor. Then she was night killed.

Being essentially conftown let him lead town to two more mislynches and a scum win.

[Casso the King of Seals]

So you and Nacho haven't talked about what that's about?

Here is the grand total of everything Nacho has said in our QT since Falcon asked that question;

"Also, let's have a little Ent Moot of our own. I plan to do some rereading myself! "

So...no, we haven't discussed it.
And dear gawd that sounds like terrible play from a number of people.

Looking at the playerlist I don't see Falcon there. What makes you so sure that game is why he asked that question?

[geists]

So you and Nacho haven't talked about what that's about?

Here is the grand total of everything Nacho has said in our QT since Falcon asked that question;

"Also, let's have a little Ent Moot of our own. I plan to do some rereading myself! "

So...no, we haven't discussed it.
And dear gawd that sounds like terrible play from a number of people.

Looking at the playerlist I don't see Falcon there. What makes you so sure that game is why he asked that question?

Timing and context. And the fact that I know he follows games he's not playing, especially if there are players of interest due to his reads in games he is playing.

He watched Newbie 1436 because I was playing that one during the Harry Potter mini game we were playing.

[goodmorning]

@Godmorning - can you walk me through how what Titus is doing looks scummy? Because I don't see it at all, so maybe others are also missing it and a step by step explanation could help us all understand.

I'll come back to this when I have time.