NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Ms Marangal]

Us-GM- mason
SSK-Doc

there were a few more, but that's all you need to know

[Titus]

I'd like to know all, so I can verify consistent play or not (unless the player is dead).

[Ms Marangal]

those are the only livings one, IIRC

[geists]

Domo was a gunsmith, so we think the Doc claim is bogus, and SSK spent most of this game day trolling.

Domo gunsmithed me on night 1 and got back "no gun". So we're town or we're mafia doc.

Town had a vig, lynched on day 1.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Pedit: why don't you all lynch F-16

Unvote: Stuffed Crust
Vote: F-16

Done.
I don't even have a case on him. I don't care.

Voting an (apparent) townread with no explanation.

Vote: F16-Fighting-Falcon

Bert can be town now.

Come one come all, you need to hurry to be on the "town slots" of this speed wagon before you're stuck in the "scum trolley"
Oyez, oyez, oyez!

Continuing to push it for nonsense reasons.

Thor, what are your reads on everyone in the game?

Varied.


Eh, dunno, let's do this;

Thor's reads (not Nacho's...but feel free to treat them as Casso's because Nacho is being a sack)

1. Tammy - I read this as scum but apparently I read badly, basically I refuse to lynch this unless Nacho says 'go for it' though am bewildered by the meta.
2. geists (fferyllt + Natirasha) - Scum-ish.
4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) - Null, I don't support a lynch ere though, call it town lean if you want.
5. F-16_Fighting_Falcon Townish.
6. Generic Townish to town, I'll go town at this stage.
7. Bert

roflcopter

Townish.
8. MafiaSSK

roflwaffles

I don't think I've even read a post from him yet - Null.
9. Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) - Town.
10. pieguyn

SonOfZeus

- Scumish
11. BROseidon - I lean town here, it's weak and is more of a 'lack of objectionable' than a 'presence of awesome'
12. Norlkaz

Brian Skies

- Townish, but against lynch due to Nacho.
13. KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - I call him scum, and Nach seems to basically call him "town with waiting" or some gak - call it null as a whole, I'd lynch it.
14. goodmorning - I was actually sold on town here after seeing a bit of meta.
15. Sakura Hana - Scummish.
16. Ser Arthur Dayne

pitoli

- Eh, Null, I'll toss him some town points for declaring hatred of the game though.
17. zMuffinMan

talah

- Nach and I are debating here, but we'll say it's town still because Nacho's reasoning is kinda silly to me.
18. DOMO - I hate reading Domo, eh, call it nullish town.
19. Cephrir - I think he looks scummy as hell, but Nach has called it a no touch zone. I'd probably tow the company line, but if you want reasoning I'd have to mash together some Nacho blather for it.
20. Desperado - Scummy


I look forward to this going anywhere or doing anything for the game.
I'll hold my breath.

Nothing useful or insightful here.

pieguyn is actually worrying me some.

Unvote: Korean BBQ
Vote: pieguy

You didn't ask, but my case is 'eh, why not?'

Bad reason to jump on a wagon.

What's the roflcoptor case? Is it exciting and does that wagon have any legs?

Shows that you did not read the thread.

None of these posts make you scum. But they are all blatantly anti-town as they obscure your affiliation making you harder to read. They don't help the town in any way making them useless and unworthy of serious consideration or comment. That was my reply to ffery asking me what I thought of your posts. They are null to me. I don't get why you are surprised at "hostility" when you've been playing like this.

[Ms Marangal]

He didn't read the thread, the only reason Thor had voted you was because he wanted a vote, a lynch and I had given him an outlet. Thor didn't really have a read on you, Nacho did and his push on you is more my fault than his

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I don't really care and it is a good thing he is in a hydra. I am counting on Nacho's posts to give me a solid read on them at some point.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Also, I'd kinda like your thoughts about Thor, F-16.

blah

What are your thoughts about Thor? Did you feel you noticed anything alignment relevant?

[geists]

Also, I'd kinda like your thoughts about Thor, F-16.

blah

What are your thoughts about Thor? Did you feel you noticed anything alignment relevant?

I thought that coming in and making posts that were pretty disconnected from the current game state was more likely to come from town than from scum. Other than that, I didn't see anything really alignment relevant.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I don't agree that disconnected Thor posts are necessarily town. Thor tries to do as scum what he would do as town and is generally very good at it. I think that if he fell behind, he would act the same way regardless of alignment.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Also, how sure are you about your read on KBBQ?

[geists]

I don't agree that disconnected Thor posts are necessarily town. Thor tries to do as scum what he would do as town and is generally very good at it. I think that if he fell behind, he would act the same way regardless of alignment.

A scum hydra partner has a hard time remaining totally disconnected. I agree that Thor could put up a pretty good clueless act if he wanted to.

But, there are tone and timing things that are hard to pull off as scum.

Nacho has been consistently pulling them off.

It's one of the things I find frustrating in case-building, especially town-case-building. You can say "doing x, y, z looks town". And someone is going to always come back with "player-A can do that as scum". But, the thing is, it's not just the doing of x, y z. It's the fluidity, the spontaneity, the reactiveness, the interactiveness, the tone, what nati means by tempo. And keeping all of those balls in the air isn't easy and is in fact impossible to maintain constantly.

And that's how you differentiate town from scum Nacho. He can absolutely do the quintessential town-Nacho thing in isolation. He did that in bork's touhou game and instantly turned my null read to a town read. So, a quintessential town-Nacho thing or 10 don't make a town read any more.

[geists]

Also, how sure are you about your read on KBBQ?

I feel pretty good about it. I want to talk with GiF about my reads before the day ends.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

So, you are saying you didn't look for the tone and timing issues in Touhou and only added that scumhunting tool to your arsenal recently?

[geists]

No. Tone and timing have always been there, but I've been unduly swayed sometimes by single really solid interactions in a sea of meh. or a sea of non-presence.

[Casso the King of Seals]

Voting an (apparent) townread with no explanation.
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Continuing to push it for nonsense reasons.
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Nothing useful or insightful here.
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Bad reason to jump on a wagon.
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None of these posts make you scum. But they are all blatantly anti-town as they obscure your affiliation making you harder to read.

Oh, okay, so if I did things that allow one to read me and...

I don't agree that disconnected Thor posts are necessarily town. Thor tries to do as scum what he would do as town and is generally very good at it. I think that if he fell behind, he would act the same way regardless of alignment.

Oh, wait, so basically anything I do might be something I do as scum because, when scum, i do the things I do as town.
Then you whine that I'm being anti-town so I'm hard to read while also noting that anything I do might just be me faking it.
Color me unimpressed by your issue with me, and, yes, I think the hostility is vastly overrated for the actual explanation which is "I think Thor is being anti-town and also that he is hard to read in a general sense"

You also apparently decided that...and then *I* was obligated to start the interaction between us because your plan was not to talk about it.
So you don't have a scum case on me.
You find everything I'm doing terrible because it makes me hard to read.
You have to be forced into discussing and interacting with someone you're finding it hard to read.
But you want to toss belligerant one liners at him.

None of this adds up to me, you're angry that I'm hard to read but don't want to do anything to advance your ability to read me...so...what's going through your head right now?
Because if your plan, as currently stated, is to read Nacho (of which there is ample Nacho available to read) then why even mention me?
More specifically, why attack me when you aren't even willing to call me scummy when pressed on it?
Why did you do this, and why are you angry about it?

[Casso the King of Seals]

A scum hydra partner has a hard time remaining totally disconnected.

I will admit this feels like a double standard.
Look, I am disconnected - but I think it's pretty apparent from my attitude towards the game why I'm disconnected and I can't think of any reason that would ever be alignment related. It's a playstyle reaction of my issues with hydras and issues with silly huge games full of posts I consider off point.

[zMuffinMan]

@f16,

if you're scumreading casso (and you obviously disagree with ffery's read here) then why did ffery's SEAL OF APPROVAL make you wanna take casso off the table today?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

The pool of players were too large. I wanted to focus on mutually agreed upon scumreads first and see if I can get a better read on Nacho in the meantime.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

What is your theory for why ffery is townreading Nacho when you have such a strong scumread on him considering past ability to read him accurately (for the most part)? Where do you think is the flaw in her reasoning?

[zMuffinMan]

ffery's reasoning is vague. such things as

the fluidity, the spontaneity, the reactiveness, the interactiveness, the tone

are hard to talk about and argue against without examples (or something more specific about the differences between, for example, the tone of his posts when he's town compared to when he's scum).

*shrug*

problem is, i also have a lot of the same issues with describing why i think casso is scum. i don't know how to describe it in a way that wouldn't look like the deranged rantings of a madman. the best i can really describe it is i don't like the way he's approached his reads in this game and i think it's more in line with nacho-scum than nacho-town. but if you ask me to be more specific, i don't think i can be. i'm bad at words and it's almost a gut-level thing. and so i'm not really sure how to approach ffery's read on casso here because i think she's wrong and she thinks i'm wrong and i don't think i can produce a compelling argument that will convince her and i don't think anything she says about her read is going to change my mind.

i also wouldn't classify my read on casso as "strong". i do think he's very likely scum, but i'm not all that confident in my ability to read nacho correctly.

[Ms Marangal]

VOTE: muffin

[zMuffinMan]

*shrug*

[Titus]

Muffin that fenceshit made my eyes bleed water.

[Titus]

A few thoughts from the end of the day 1.

First, why was Varsoon the deadline lynch? There were larger wagons at the time Mastin's disbanded. Also, why wasn't Varsoon given a chance to claim? I am not at BBMolla's lynch without claim is a policy lynch but damn. I know 12 hours and all but that's how PR's get lynched.

Second, Mastin should be announcing his heal target from last night and other prior nights today. If a watcher/tracker can subtly verify him, that would make me feel better about Mastin.