NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:12 pm

Spoiler: Updaed D1 wagons with missing F-16 wagon and greenized Casso, me, and giests because why the hell not. Oh hey. There's no F-16 in p much every major wagon ever.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:13 pm

ONE MORE TIME

Spoiler: Updaed D1 wagons with missing F-16 wagon and greenized Casso, me, and giests because why the hell not. Oh hey. There's no F-16 in p much every major wagon ever.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:13 pm

In post 5402, goodmorning wrote:I've done some reading. I agree SSK is today's lynch. I still want Casso and Cephrir dead.

Today, my task is going to be over figuring out that messy pile of people I don't really know about.

P-EDIT

CASSO NO ES TOWN

STAHP

Would scum-Casso suggest a flashlynch on his buddy near the deadline?

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:16 pm

On D1, though.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:19 pm

What do you think of F-16 not being in any major d1 wagons ever?

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:19 pm

Well except for a SC lynch but that one doesn't count because it was a deadline lynch.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:41 pm

In post 5420, geists wrote:
In post 5391, KoreanBBQ wrote:The reason that made Sakura use that tell.
Explain some more plz.

See, the whole reason for Sakura blowup was not because ppl were reading her wrong, but was because ppl were wagoning her when she finally put her mind into the game. That's town as hell.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:44 pm

In post 5426, geists wrote:That was Cabd's cue for "but is it scummy?"

It certainly doesn't fit the "effortist" set.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:46 pm

But that's D1 stuff.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:50 pm

In post 5434, Bert wrote:Be back later. I suggest leaving SSK alive as he doesn't need to be lynched until it's actually MYLO/LYLO. Wasting a lynch on him now is pretty pointless, we already know what he will flip. Try someone else that's suspicious so we have more info tomorrow.

Vote: Bert

For some reason this is infuriating me a little.

In post 5435, Bert wrote:Also, as Cabd said, we have several "conftown" remaining, so decide on a non-SSK lynch now (Bert says hi).

SAD

In post 5436, geists wrote:
In post 5429, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5426, geists wrote:That was Cabd's cue for "but is it scummy?"
It certainly doesn't fit the "effortist" set.
effort doesn't necessarily equate to voting the big wagons early or w/e.

But it's like "All work for nothing" if all the effort doesn't follow up with a vote or something :<

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:53 pm

It's actually a self-vote part and being a whiny rascal that is infuriating me actually.
Also I meant SAD as in Ser guy.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:53 pm

inb4 "GIF's SAD scumread came out of nowhere!"

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:55 pm

But that mindset was painfully town so

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:55 pm

^
Re; Bert

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:56 pm

In post 5443, geists wrote:KBBQ is correct that you're not putting the level of effort into this game that I saw from you in the three other games we've played.

That's not what I meant but ok

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:01 pm

Oh yeah. I was gonna explain why I wanna lynch SAD too all of the sudden.
5403, Sakura Wagon.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:08 pm

Oh God, Bert is doing the same crap that Hana did in FEA.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:14 pm

In post 5405, Cabd wrote:
In post 5404, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5402, goodmorning wrote:I've done some reading. I agree SSK is today's lynch. I still want Casso and Cephrir dead.

Today, my task is going to be over figuring out that messy pile of people I don't really know about.

P-EDIT

CASSO NO ES TOWN

STAHP
Would scum-Casso suggest a flashlynch on his buddy near the deadline?
Yes, marketplace mafia for an example.

Could you remind me of who 'cause I really don't count DP and I don't consider me and I was p much the defacto lynch at that point.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:16 pm

In post 5468, Bert wrote:
In post 5467, KoreanBBQ wrote:Oh God, Bert is doing the same crap that Hana did in FEA.
What's FEA

Fire Emblem: Awakening but why does it matter and shouldn't it have been obvious I was referring to a mafia game?

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:26 pm

In post 5472, Bert wrote:
In post 5471, KoreanBBQ wrote:Fire Emblem: Awakening but why does it matter and shouldn't it have been obvious I was referring to a mafia game?
If you're going to make a reference, it's nice so some people don't feel left out.

Explain how that's relevant and what Hanasawa did there? And what alignment was he

Are you Nero?

Why does it matter who I am?

In FEA, much like this game, Hanna got ran up, made a big stink and then started this whole "you guys should lynch me." crap. She was town and yea, it makes me worry that you are town but I hate the way you are implying that you must be town for doing the same thing.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:30 pm

In post 5474, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
In post 5352, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
In post 5325, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 5309, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:This reads as so manipulative. You CANNOT be so certain that Nacho is town that you are willing to get lynched in his place. Nacho is a good scum player. There will always be uncertainty and paranoia. Even ffery who can read him like a book isn't certain of his affiliation.
I did the same before, why didn't you question it, yet you question Cephrir's motives?
You are not him.
His buddying to me in
ASOIAF
was a hell of a lot more subtle

BERT'S LAW SAYS YOU CAN'T MAKE REFRENSES YOU HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT SO WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT IS!!!

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:31 pm

vote:SSK

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:32 pm

But I can be passive sggressive quite easily too

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:39 pm

Man, that flashlynch could've gotten scum D1 :<

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:40 pm

But noooooo I even offered myself for a compromise lynch instead of scum
This is like the worst thing I did in this site beside killing a fruit vendor over IC

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:41 pm

In post 5481, Bert wrote:
In post 5475, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5472, Bert wrote:
In post 5471, KoreanBBQ wrote:Fire Emblem: Awakening but why does it matter and shouldn't it have been obvious I was referring to a mafia game?
If you're going to make a reference, it's nice so some people don't feel left out.

Explain how that's relevant and what Hanasawa did there? And what alignment was he

Are you Nero?
Why does it matter who I am?

In FEA, much like this game, Hanna got ran up, made a big stink and then started this whole "you guys should lynch me." crap. She was town and yea, it makes me worry that you are town but I hate the way you are implying that you must be town for doing the same thing.
It's Nero because GIF isn't passive aggressive

I never implied I must be town for doing whatever Hana did

I also have not been run up, so bad comparison

In post 5434, Bert wrote:Be back later. I suggest leaving SSK alive as he doesn't need to be lynched until it's actually MYLO/LYLO. Wasting a lynch on him now is pretty pointless, we already know what he will flip. Try someone else that's suspicious so we have more info tomorrow.

Vote: Bert

This is the same "lynch me" type crap that Hana pulled in FEA.

I felt like when you asked what alignment was Hana you were implying you had the same alignment since you are doing something very similar.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:52 pm

In post 5494, Bert wrote:Nero, Sakura has pulled the same "lynch me" as SCUM before multiple times. So no it is not alignment indicative. AtE can be pulled as any alignment.

So why did you ask her alignment in FEA?

Basically, that reasoning for "going from scumreading me to fencesitting ("Bert may be town but it looks fake"") is not convincing at all, I reckon

I think if I fence sat on you then my rear end would be sore. Its not so yeah...

Anyways...more SSK votes.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:53 pm

In post 5496, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5494, Bert wrote:Nero, Sakura has pulled the same "lynch me" as SCUM before multiple times. So no it is not alignment indicative. AtE can be pulled as any alignment.
So why did you ask her alignment in FEA?

Basically, that reasoning for "going from scumreading me to fencesitting ("Bert may be town but it looks fake"") is not convincing at all, I reckon
I think if I fence sat on you then my rear end would be sore. Its not so yeah...

Anyways...more SSK votes.

No u
We have like 10+ days

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:53 pm

UNVOTE:

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:56 pm

Just see the sakura wagon d1. He's like confirmed scum just with it

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:59 pm

Saddy

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:03 pm

In post 5506, Bert wrote:"You have to do everything you can. You have to work your hardest. If you stay positive, you have a shot at a silver lining." - Pat from Silver Linings Playbook

Silver lining is Nacho is probably town for that D1 wagon on SSK and may find us another scum before all is said and done

What is you all's silver lining

Ur 2 slow

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:04 pm

but

A) This game doesn't need an extra 30 pages of data; he's trolling/cluttering up the thread
B.) running up his wagon doesn't lynch him; if his buddies want to finish him off then fine.
C.) I would have felt like his buddies would have been less likely to vote early and the longer this draws out it makes bussin' harder to spot.

I swear t God Gif, if I didn't know you were town I'd be calling for your head.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:10 pm

In post 5508, KoreanBBQ wrote:but

A) This game doesn't need an extra 30 pages of data; he's trolling/cluttering up the thread
B.) running up his wagon doesn't lynch him; if his buddies want to finish him off then fine.
C.) I would have felt like his buddies would have been less likely to vote early and the longer this draws out it makes bussin' harder to spot.

I swear t God Gif, if I didn't know you were town I'd be calling for your head.

Trust me it will be before 5 moar pages before I go green light on lynching

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:00 am

I have. Scumsakura can't fake frustration as much.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:03 am

Well, about the fatalism part she can do that as scum but the reason for it is obv

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:53 am

In post 5567, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I am surprised more people aren't commenting on SAD's wierd defense of SSK considering we now know for sure that SSK is scum.

Why are you so fixated on SAD's defense but Norl's isn't a big deal?

Why do ya'll think SSK decided to give himself up today?

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:01 am

In post 5580, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
In post 5576, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5567, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I am surprised more people aren't commenting on SAD's wierd defense of SSK considering we now know for sure that SSK is scum.
Why are you so fixated on SAD's defense but Norl's isn't a big deal?

Why do ya'll think SSK decided to give himself up today?
I explained in detail why SAD's defense was scummy. I hadn't gotten to sorting Norl yet but I don't find his defense as scummy because he was defending a townread. I am null on him. SAD's was far more unnatural. Explain to me why you think Norlkaz's defense is scummy. I only saw you state that it was in post 4792.

I could buy a SAD scum. Norl is someone that I'm pretty wary of, I think Norl's defense of SSK was scummy 'cause scum could easily do all that and it seems off that he wants SSK scum meta but not SSK town meta. And his "opps, I hope I didn't defend scum." is just...idk scum taunting us?

What info would a SAD flip get us?

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:48 am

In post 5635, Bert wrote:Having a period of inactivity everywhere atm, will be back in two days though. Sorry!

Its all the posts like this that has me worried about you. I also never speculated about you being town, like ever, so IDK where you got that crap.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:01 am

So apparently I did. Oh well.

Still think you've been pretty scummy and with all you're active lurking type posts so still don't care if you die.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:05 am

But its super transparent that I'm town so you not caring if I die is probs a scumclaim.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:12 am

In post 5652, Bert wrote:This statement should get a Scummy for Most Deranged Statement! That's delusional thinking if you seriously think that, and also there are quite a few
doubting if you're town
and/or
scumreading you
!

First bold is because they suck, and the second bold is because they're scum. Easy!

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:14 am

You're still scum!!

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:20 am

In post 5657, Bert wrote:His delusions of grandeur

That wasn't Nero tyvm

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:20 am

In post 5658, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5657, Bert wrote:His delusions of grandeur
That wasn't Nero tyvm

Yes it was.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:22 am

In post 5659, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5658, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5657, Bert wrote:His delusions of grandeur
That wasn't Nero tyvm
Yes it was.

Fight me in the QT.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:22 am

In post 5660, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5659, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5658, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5657, Bert wrote:His delusions of grandeur
That wasn't Nero tyvm
Yes it was.
Fight me in the QT.

BRING IT!!!!!

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:24 am

In post 5653, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5652, Bert wrote:This statement should get a Scummy for Most Deranged Statement! That's delusional thinking if you seriously think that, and also there are quite a few
doubting if you're town
and/or
scumreading you
!
First bold is because they suck, and the second bold is because they're scum. Easy!

There were only like 2 folks that were scumreading us, Domo and Gen and it was both for being "mean" to them.

Bert's a crazy man...I know that A.) Anyone that has game experience with me and B.) is town knows how different my town and scum games are.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:25 am

GIF's posts are sane lololololololol

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:25 am

In post 5664, KoreanBBQ wrote:GIF's posts are sane lololololololol

Sane enough to claim Innocent Child on LyLo when there's already an Innocent Child as scum!

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:26 am

In post 5663, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5653, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5652, Bert wrote:This statement should get a Scummy for Most Deranged Statement! That's delusional thinking if you seriously think that, and also there are quite a few
doubting if you're town
and/or
scumreading you
!
First bold is because they suck, and the second bold is because they're scum. Easy!
There were only like 2 folks that were scumreading us, Domo and Gen and it was both for being "mean" to them.

Bert's a crazy man...I know that A.) Anyone that has game experience with me and B.) is town knows how different my town and scum games are.

MafiaSSK isn't town though

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:30 am

Your point is?

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:31 am

See, I can be a meanie too!

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:33 am

/fluff

Now fetch us some scums, soldier!

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:34 am

GIF, stop feeding the troll.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:35 am

In post 5674, KoreanBBQ wrote:GIF, stop feeding the troll.

It's ok. Trolls don't bite obvtowns like us.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:37 am

Tell that to Uncle Charlie!

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:38 am

In post 5677, Bert wrote:I don't bite humans!

We got a confirmed troll here!
Thank god we were a universal backup!

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:42 am

In post 5679, Sakura Hana wrote:I'm just gonna move this discussion into the "never happened" side of my mind and continue suspecting Bert like I was.

10/10

KoreanBBQ · Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:45 am

vote:Sad

KoreanBBQ · Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:12 pm

In post 5809, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:I didn't care enough to notice he had one on me before.

Good job on waving away my vote on you. *thumbs up*

KoreanBBQ · Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:11 am

In post 5893, Titus wrote:
In post 5890, goodmorning wrote:@Titus: Why focus on D1 when more recent days are somewhat more pertinent?
Day 1 is the foundation. Is Mastin is a supposed doc, he should play like it on Day one prior to his motive to claim. Day 1 is also where you should find the least amount of bussing. If there is a radical shift in anyone's behavior, I want to know why.

Titus saying something I agree with? This must be scum 'cause I never agree with her.

KoreanBBQ · Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:26 am

Falcon is town

KoreanBBQ · Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:33 am

If you don't believe me my buddies from the QT can confirm that he's town.

KoreanBBQ · Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:52 am

I vaguely remember playing in a game with F-16, this is the F-16 town meta I remember.

I think he makes good points about SAD and I think he's being helpful and I feel like he's genuinely hunting scum.

In post 5868, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:The pool of players were too large. I wanted to focus on mutually agreed upon scumreads first and see if I can get a better read on Nacho in the meantime.

I think this post is strange. I remember him making a MD post about one shouldn't hunt anyone that isn't currently being discussed. This looks very similar to that.

So I think he's town.

KoreanBBQ · Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:01 am

@Everyone, who are the 3 most likely scum in this group?

Casso the King of Seals
pieguyn
BROseidon
Norlkaz
Ser Arthur Dayne
zMuffinMan
Titus

KoreanBBQ · Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:53 pm

In post 5942, pieguyn wrote:if scum have daychat then a bus on SSK if any was probably planned.

unless you think that CaMa was trolling then scum

do

have daytalk though I think that (assuming that SSK is scum) then his plan to troll and get lynched today was made last night.

Why did you use the word IF here?

KoreanBBQ · Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:53 pm

In post 5942, pieguyn wrote:if scum have daychat then a bus on SSK if any was probably planned.

unless you think that CaMa was trolling then scum

do

have daytalk though I think that (assuming that SSK is scum) then his plan to troll and get lynched today was made last night.

Why did you use the word IF here?

KoreanBBQ · Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:09 pm

In post 5912, Casso the King of Seals wrote: The hangup for me was that he asked the Masons, functionally, if there was a third mason and who was it. I can think of reasons that is helpful to scum, but I can't think of any that are helpful to town. Do you think that's me being crazy40%, him just being silly60%,
or him mining for scumvantage info?

Do you think he'd fish that blatantly? I could think of a reason or two why he might ask that but I'll have to look up his response.

KoreanBBQ · Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:21 pm

In post 5947, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 5944, KoreanBBQ wrote:unless you think that CaMa was trolling then scum do have daytalk though I think that (assuming that SSK is scum) then his plan to troll and get lynched today was made last night.
I disagree. I think he started trolling/etc today then his scumpartners told him he might have a chance because he wasn't 100% the lynch so then he toned it down and tried to act townish.

Someone asked you why you think Bert is scum, kindly remind us pls.

KoreanBBQ · Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:56 pm

In post 5946, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5912, Casso the King of Seals wrote: The hangup for me was that he asked the Masons, functionally, if there was a third mason and who was it. I can think of reasons that is helpful to scum, but I can't think of any that are helpful to town. Do you think that's me being crazy40%, him just being silly60%,
or him mining for scumvantage info?

Do you think he'd fish that blatantly?
I could think of a reason or two why he might ask that but I'll have to look up his response.

In post 5952, goodmorning wrote:
In post 5912, Casso the King of Seals wrote:The hangup for me was that he asked the Masons, functionally, if there was a third mason and who was it. I can think of reasons that is helpful to scum, but I can't think of any that are helpful to town. Do you think that's me being crazy, him just being silly, or him mining for scumvantage info?
I also felt weird about it, but
do you really think Scum-F16 would be so blatant?
I mean, none of us are stupid.

KoreanBBQ · Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:08 pm

We will have words in the mason qt. WORDS!!!

KoreanBBQ · Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:13 pm

NI451 sounds like a virus.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:40 am

In post 5733, Norlkaz wrote:I don't take issue with people scumreading me at this point; if you meant "you're all talk this game therefore you're scum" then that is an okay deduction.

In post 5979, Norlkaz wrote:I'm sorry for not towning harder and causing people to spend scumhunting time reading me.

You seem so laid back and apologetic in these two posts but why..

In post 4794, Norlkaz wrote:
In post 4792, KoreanBBQ wrote:and then norl
If a serious attempt comes I shall eat you alive, even if I have to break character.

get mad and threaten me here?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:01 pm

In post 6007, Titus wrote:
In post 3487, KoreanBBQ wrote:Wonderful news!!!

I have permission to kill Hana

vote:Hana

In post 3510, MafiaSSK wrote:So why is the wagon on Sakura even happening?

In post 3515, Bert wrote:That's Lynch -1

Claim please?

In post 3516, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3515, Bert wrote:Claim please?
Nah I wont claim, live with the burden of it.
The posts above, while not appearing to make sense together are troubline in their own right. I am looking from the start of the VC before SH's wagon until she hits L minus 1.

Tammy was the first on the wagon. Assuming this is accurate, then scum killing Tammy makes a very logical play since SH is a threat to scum!Sakura.

Yet, some of the votes on the wagon are sketchy as fuck. For instance KoreanBBQ softclaims Vig (permission to kill) but the vig is already dead in the graveyard.

Sakura's refusal to claim should have been a death sentence but somehow she lives.

Korean
explin the above post please.

I like really don't care if Hana lives or dies.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:12 pm

I don't see any possible way you get a vig softclaim from that.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:23 pm

.............................................................................................

I don't know which is worse the time you found me scummy for keeping a player that ended up flaking or that you think I claimed vig with a dead vig.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:28 pm

Hana wagon was on day 1? ok then.

vote:KBBQ

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:44 pm

What you guys don't think its a scumtell that I "claimed" vig and a vig died?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:32 pm

In post 6027, Generic wrote:KBBQ, are you trying to earn town cred by the self vote or is there another reason for it with only one vote on you? Cos to me it comes across as extremely forced.

My vote is me being annoyed and mocking Titus 'cause I mean, who in their right mind would think that was a vig claim? You can take your "that's forced" and "are you trying to earn town cred?" 'cause your accusations are so off base and ridiculous that its not even funny; in fact, they are rather sad. I wouldn't even mind dying that much 'cause between Titus, you and Hana...I'm going to have a fucking aneurysm. At least when I flip town you guys will know my reads are sincere and can lynch from my POE list 'cause that's where I think scum are.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:21 pm

In post 6013, Titus wrote:That's bullshit.

VOTE: KoreanBBQ

If you really didn't understand, the confusion should have been the first thing you said. Second, the softclaim s innately obvious as only vigs and sks need permission to kill. Die scum.

Ha
Haha
Ahahahaha
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

oh lordy what the fufk did I just read

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:26 pm

Is she srsly pushing ne with that vig sofy?
Even after the VT claim st the end of D1 before the vig flip?
You either didn't read or you are full of shit!

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:27 pm

Oh this felt great
Hi

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:28 pm

In post 6030, Generic wrote:You want to throw a tantrum at the master of them?

Ok, let's break it down. I never read your comment how Titus is selling it. Titus replaced a scumread of mind in cephrir. I'm not voting for you. You earned town cred day 1 for a self vote. Suddenly one person uses ridiculously poor logic to vote for you. No one else follows onto that wagon. You cry and self vote.

Yeah. Forced.

Hanas town read on Titus I find hilarious as it is, because you can't possibly fake not knowing that on day 1 mcmaraca claimed scum must have day talk, can you?
In fact it was done in such an obvious way and hana felt such a need to highlight it it feels like two people going out of their way to pull a not so subtle gambit.
I gave you a lot of town cred hana for the defeatist attitude I can relate to from games like wingate where I felt the same way as town. And I don't want to believe someone would want up win a game of mafia so much they would stoop so low with a tactic like that.
So I can only put it down to you easily accepting things at face value, but I never had you down as so bloody naive.

But is it scummy?

Proving points tend to look forced a lot of times though.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:29 pm

Also why so many replavements

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:32 pm

In post 6027, Generic wrote:
In post 6021, Empire wrote:
Prophylaxis replaces Bert.
Hello Proph!

Looks like you get to play with the unrestricted version of me now

KBBQ, are you trying to earn town cred by the self vote or is there another reason for it with only one vote on you? Cos to me it comes across as extremely forced.

Nero proving point
We dont need to fake such thing when we already have a good amount of toencred dontcha think?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:32 pm

In post 6038, geists wrote:Hi proph!

I've always wanted to play with you, I've enjoyed what I read on MTGS.

Although I'm definitely the background head in this hydra.

MTGS as in MeTal Gear Solid?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:35 pm

Also if anyone is scumreading sakura at this point, her activity level is enough to prove her townness.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:36 pm

Do I look like nero to you?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:38 pm

In post 6002, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6000, Titus wrote:Scum without daytalk, and poor night summary is very possible even with a replace in fumbling.
But masons have daytalk and Cabd informed us of this because it makes it very very likely scum has daytalk too.

Playing devil's advocate, that shit is very easy to fake.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:40 pm

Like, for an example, why did she decide to mention a lack of daytalk out of nowhere?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:41 pm

In post 6000, Titus wrote:Not all scum qts have strong summaries so yeah not a town tell. Scum without daytalk, and poor night summary is very possible even with a replace in fumbling. Don't use that as a towntell. If you do, when I am scum, I will burn you. I love burning outside tells like that.

Added to this, the showing of sudden "I abuse this as scum" sounds like a one giant wifom.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:45 pm

In post 6045, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 6002, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6000, Titus wrote:Scum without daytalk, and poor night summary is very possible even with a replace in fumbling.
But masons have daytalk and Cabd informed us of this because it makes it very very likely scum has daytalk too.
Playing devil's advocate, that shit is very easy to fake.

I take this back.
It wasn't easy for her to fake it properly.
Whichever slot she replaced is prob scum.
Nero's just not coolheaded enough to be cool like me

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:46 pm

Replaced cephrir? Hmm
I was townreading that slot :/
Townread overruled!

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:47 pm

While I'm spamming posts, I will grab a pagetop

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:50 pm

If the face is to me - I already responded to that though extensively, so if you wanted to talk about it respond to my response - because it's there. Read m0ar.
If the face was to goodmorning for repeating your stance...I don't really get the point.

I.think it was nero's terrible attempt at joking

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:52 pm

In post 5862, geists wrote:
In post 5860, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Also, how sure are you about your read on KBBQ?
I feel pretty good about it. I want to talk with GiF about my reads before the day ends.

Yo

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:57 pm

In post 5874, Titus wrote:A few thoughts from the end of the day 1.

First, why was Varsoon the deadline lynch? There were larger wagons at the time Mastin's disbanded. Also, why wasn't Varsoon given a chance to claim? I am not at BBMolla's lynch without claim is a policy lynch but damn. I know 12 hours and all but that's how PR's get lynched.

Second, Mastin should be announcing his heal target from last night and other prior nights today. If a watcher/tracker can subtly verify him, that would make me feel better about Mastin.

Christmas miracle
Didn't care
He did. He just didn't.
Well then why bring it up
I know freshly replaced in and all but that's how scum overreacts.

[Insert something appropriate here]

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:59 pm

In post 6054, geists wrote:Oh GIF then have you done anything townie today?

You see me towning rite now

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:01 am

In post 5948, zMuffinMan wrote:
casso wrote:What do you think about Muffin? I hate reading Muffin
considering nacho's opinion on me, i woulda thought you guys had been discussing me a fair bit. how do you not have your own opinion on any of the stuff he thinks or even just your own opinion on me here?

sakura wrote:Thor's even more townier than before
i want whatever you're smoking

I must be smoking something strong too bc I'm townrrading them too.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:03 am

In post 5955, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:@ Goodmorning, and KBBQ, I asked for the number of Masons because I wanted to hold Cabd to a definite claim and didn't want any behind the scenes shenanigans to screw us over. For further reference:
In post 5713, MC Maraca wrote:I'm around.

PSA: If anyone would like to flip out and get paranoid on my mason status now, given the events of mini 1531, speak now or forever hold your peace.
In post 5715, MC Maraca wrote:I won by getting a mason to fakeclaim masons with me, nightkilled her before she could reveal the trick, and dominated. It's in coney island.
Also, Nacho we need to talk.

Do you distrust cabd that much

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:04 am

Also I think muffin is town
Yay I finally have a read on him

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:06 am

In post 5902, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
In post 5900, KoreanBBQ wrote:If you don't believe me my buddies from the QT can confirm that he's town.
I don't think I'm asking a question unreasonable enough to deserve this as the answer.

He's just trying to be funny

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:07 am

In post 5910, KoreanBBQ wrote:@Everyone, who are the 3 most likely scum in this group?

Casso the King of Seals
pieguyn
BROseidon
Norlkaz
Ser Arthur Dayne
zMuffinMan
Titus

SAD, Titus, Norl

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:08 am

Also I rly don't think pie is scum
Didn't really rrad his posts for content but the general conviction and stuff feels more town than scum

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:09 am

Also muffin's townread I can't really explain why but my heart says he's town.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:09 am

Well actually, Norl/BRO if not both.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:10 am

Which is me sheeping nero's read yay!
Hey look nero I'm finally sheeping your reads!

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:11 am

Also surprisingly, all I have on SAD is that vc stuff.
His general pissy tone is kinds hard going through it

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:12 am

So I just explained my opinions on those seven players mentioned.
Moving on.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:14 am

So what's f-16's read on casso again?

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:15 am

In post 6004, Titus wrote:Great, well I'd like to sort you then Sakura.

Who is your biggest townread? Why?
Who is your biggest scumread? Why?
What do you think of Casso? Why? If Casso is your biggest town or scum read, give me your next best town or scum read.

This looks robotic

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:16 am

In post 6001, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 5999, pieguyn wrote:hey sakura talk to me about Bert
Bert's this guy that likes to follow gut reads a lot.

you 2 would probably get along! *runs*

Lol

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:18 am

In post 6007, Titus wrote:
In post 3487, KoreanBBQ wrote:Wonderful news!!!

I have permission to kill Hana

vote:Hana

In post 3510, MafiaSSK wrote:So why is the wagon on Sakura even happening?

In post 3515, Bert wrote:That's Lynch -1

Claim please?

In post 3516, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3515, Bert wrote:Claim please?
Nah I wont claim, live with the burden of it.
The posts above, while not appearing to make sense together are troubline in their own right. I am looking from the start of the VC before SH's wagon until she hits L minus 1.

Tammy was the first on the wagon. Assuming this is accurate, then scum killing Tammy makes a very logical play since SH is a threat to scum!Sakura.

Yet, some of the votes on the wagon are sketchy as fuck. For instance KoreanBBQ softclaims Vig (permission to kill) but the vig is already dead in the graveyard.

Sakura's refusal to claim should have been a death sentence but somehow she lives.

Korean
explin the above post please.

Nero said "dude Hana be scum"
I said "No bro she town"
At some point I said "ok maybe she's scum. You can be all happy and vote her"

Quite a chsrming bsckground story isn't it

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:19 am

In post 6009, Sakura Hana wrote:Normally i'd see Bert interact with people more, but here he just kept wagon hoping and not much interaction and what came worse is that his reason for denying my case was "But i'm Bert"

I did feel his out of ordinary amount of selfmeta defense weird as well

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:21 am

In post 6029, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
In post 5910, KoreanBBQ wrote:@Everyone, who are the 3 most likely scum in this group?

Casso the King of Seals
pieguyn
BROseidon
Norlkaz
Ser Arthur Dayne
zMuffinMan
Titus
Is this your PoE list?

Nero's

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:21 am

Bump it

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:21 am

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:22 am

This has been

drcirno[/] GIF posting.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:23 am

Fhdjeofkejfownfowodjcuw

Let's do this again

This has been

DrCirno

GIF posting.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:25 am

Well I didn't read your post so there!
Good to know that our thoughts align.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:36 am

In post 6077, Generic wrote:But are you just riding my point? You are the bi mystery in this game to me because one head is scum and the other is leaning town... Are you 3rd party?

I swear I'm not a jester I promise

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:24 am

In post 6077, Generic wrote:Nero always seems to trouble me when he posts and you (while rather fuckig irritating) save his ass with more logical angles.

lol

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:39 am

I think we solved it GIF. YAY!!!

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:39 am

I think we solved it GIF. YAY!!!

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:39 am

I think we solved it GIF. YAY!!!

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:39 am

also triple post FTW!

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:55 am

I really really don't care if we end up lynching SSK today but I'm also find with lynching not SSK and going for his buddies.

vote:Norl

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:55 am

fine rather

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:44 am

In post 6097, geists wrote:
In post 6052, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5862, geists wrote:
In post 5860, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Also, how sure are you about your read on KBBQ?
I feel pretty good about it. I want to talk with GiF about my reads before the day ends.
Yo
Yeh, so Titus scum? Her posts are reminding me a little of her replace-in to the asoiaf game. I want to have a look at the FEA replace-in, too, though.

Yes

In post 6098, geists wrote:
In post 6067, KoreanBBQ wrote:So what's f-16's read on casso again?
Scum.

What's your read of them?

totally null

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:33 am

In post 6117, Prophylaxis wrote:tell me if anything happens to my scum reads.

1. MafiaSSK claimed scum.
2. goodmorning/Ms Marangal are masons.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:34 am

3. giests are cleared by gunsmith
4. KoreanBBQ is town as hell

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:41 am

In post 6122, Titus wrote:
In post 6121, KoreanBBQ wrote:3. giests are cleared by gunsmith
4. KoreanBBQ is
town as hell
scum that tried to softclaim vig.
FTFY!

In post 3743, KoreanBBQ wrote:Lets lynch me instead.

I'm a VT, so nothing to lose.

I'm tired, stressed, and totally done with this game.

*whistles*

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:36 am

In post 6128, Casso the King of Seals wrote:Titus push on the softclaiming vig is town as hell

It becomes scummy pretty quick when she's keep pushing stuff that is proven to be blatantly false.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:42 am

In post 6141, Titus wrote:
In post 6126, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 6122, Titus wrote:
In post 6121, KoreanBBQ wrote:3. giests are cleared by gunsmith
4. KoreanBBQ is
town as hell
scum that tried to softclaim vig.
FTFY!

In post 3743, KoreanBBQ wrote:Lets lynch me instead.

I'm a VT, so nothing to lose.

I'm tired, stressed, and totally done with this game.
*whistles*
So you "claimed" under absolutely no pressure at all, trying to draw a lynch to yourself and we're all supposed to a) believe you and b) believe that's something town does?

Also, for those of you scumreading me, how about throwing me a question or two rather than making me try to read tea leaves through all these accusations that I am scum. What about my posting is off? Just saying someone is scum over and over is exactly how mislynches get pushed through because no one looks at the reasoning.

Yes and yes.
You jealous?

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:45 am

But hey don't go stray off the main topic.
The point here is that you are deliberately ignoring the context and stuff and sniping posts no-context to make an accusation.
That's scummy as hell.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:52 am

Ya know
That claim happened before the vig flip.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:54 am

So you are ignoring the context

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:57 am

If you actually took the context into the consideration, it is painfully easy to see where that "vig softclaim" came from, under which circumstances did my claim + selfvote csme from, etc

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:08 am

Everything

The claim happened before the SC wagon starts
The fact that I've been scumrrading SC
The basis behind that "softclaim"
The chronological order
Not considering the fact that the "callout" happened waaaaaaaaaay later
The basis of the selfvote

Now what else did I forget to mention?

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:13 am

The only moment I kinda fakeclaimed vig was after the SC flip.
Hang on lemme quote it.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:14 am

In post 5678, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5677, Bert wrote:I don't bite humans!
We got a confirmed troll here!
Thank god we were a universal backup!

Here it is

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:16 am

So I deny whatever titus said I did in the post she quoted

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:23 am

They all did.
And they all know what that meant.
Because they've been reading.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:31 am

Total opposite until that post titus quoted.
After that, we moved to townreading her.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:37 am

In post 3534, KoreanBBQ wrote:oh poop.

I think Hana just town told but its also Hana and I don't want 7646345436475685335688565667 pages so I don't really care enough to stop said wagon.

Tammy, help me lynch the fuck out of Mara and her "uhhh" list.

Synced up to townread right before this post

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:47 am

That post that titus quoted was the first and last time we synced a scumread on her.
The one I quoted was where we synced to townread.

So the order is
Town/scum -> sync scum -> sync town.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:42 am

............................................................

This "NERO SOFTCLAIMED VIG!!!" is extremely depressing. If anyone thinks that I softclaimed vig then you need to stock up on B-12. This also seems vaguely familiar and kinda remember something like like happening before. I think it was Junepia (or w/e name) but I can't seem to find it.

Nacho also needs to explain the difference between this muffin and FEA muffin.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:53 am

In post 6159, Generic wrote:Because to soft claim vig BEFORE the actual vig is known would be pathetic as scum because the real vig guns them down in the night.

to be fair, barring role info (like a day role cop or claim) there's like no way a scum team would know there's a vig in the setup so this point is kinda meh but its a moot point 'cause I never softclaimed vig.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:22 pm

This be scumpool
{Titus, MafisSSK, SAD, Norl, BRO, Bertslot}

I'm p sure on first three. Little less sure on the latter three. If there's a town, its in latter three.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:34 pm

There is in this one!

In post 6000, Titus wrote:Not all scum qts have strong summaries so yeah not a town tell. Scum without daytalk, and poor night summary is very possible even with a replace in fumbling. Don't use that as a towntell. If you do, when I am scum, I will burn you. I love burning outside tells like that.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:38 pm

U kidding me
That's the same shit I pulled in Newb 1429

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:46 pm

Also geists reached 666 posts.
We should get away from them

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:47 pm

In post 6202, Titus wrote:Just meant as an appeal saying SC is town for reasons.

In post 3744, KoreanBBQ wrote:SC wagon will be opposed like fuck just like last time, so don't even bother with it today.
Do that tomorrow.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:49 pm

In post 3750, KoreanBBQ wrote:SC: go die if you don't know my read on him

This still holds water rite?

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:11 pm

In post 6202, Titus wrote:Pushing the guy who softclaimed vig when he cannot b a vig is a good of reason as any

Except it wasn't a vig claim.

I guess I'm having trouble telling if you are derpy town or scum making up random shit. I also don't care.

So GIF, are we killing this today or Norl or Bro or Sad?

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:28 pm

^
or that

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:45 pm

In post 6206, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 6202, Titus wrote:Pushing the guy who softclaimed vig when he cannot b a vig is a good of reason as any
Except it wasn't a vig claim.

I guess I'm having trouble telling if you are derpy town or scum making up random shit. I also don't care.

So GIF, are we killing this today or Norl or Bro or Sad?

I still think SSK goes today for the town moral boost.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:46 pm

In post 6214, Yukari Yakumo wrote:You.

OUT OF MY GAME YOU EVIL WOMAN

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:28 pm

In post 6226, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 6210, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 6206, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 6202, Titus wrote:Pushing the guy who softclaimed vig when he cannot b a vig is a good of reason as any
Except it wasn't a vig claim.

I guess I'm having trouble telling if you are derpy town or scum making up random shit. I also don't care.

So GIF, are we killing this today or Norl or Bro or Sad?
I still think SSK goes today for the town moral boost.
I dunno man

In post 6153, Empire wrote:MafiaSSK (3) Sakura Hana,
BROseidon, Norlkaz
Bro and Norl be bussin. It'll be much hard to lynch those two after a SSK flip.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:32 pm

In post 6208, KoreanBBQ wrote:^
or that

Meh.
We can always pl one of them the day before LyLo of both claimed mason are alive.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:57 pm

or we could channel our inner BB Molla and pl the Bert slot for hammering Desp without a claim.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:12 pm

Is this Bert sum or Bert town?

In post 3986, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 3912, Bert wrote:
In post 3909, Generic wrote:That's a point. SSK claimed doc by lived through the night? When does that EVER happen?

vote mafiaSSK
Never seen it happen.
hedging. Agree with Gens "point" so it gives him the flexibility to hop on a SSK wagon if it happens.

In post 3924, Bert wrote: also, SSK's tone and wording of claiming rings off. "I'm not getting lynched this time, no I'm not" and then "I am the doctor" - hard to explain, a tonality thing. However, he sounded like his claim was full of gold medal peepee in Ace Attorney and he was scum there, and evidently he is a lurker everywhere - see that Title thread where he got nommed for lurkerscum...
still pushing the idea that SSK is scum but not committing to the wagon.

In post 4916, Bert wrote:
In post 4323, KoreanBBQ wrote:Bert is scum 'cause he was pushing on the SSK wagon but didn't join it.
How very annoying lol

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:31 pm

In post 6247, Generic wrote:
In post 6233, KoreanBBQ wrote:or we could channel our inner BB Molla and pl the Bert slot for hammering Desp without a claim.
Are you being ironic there?

Or is that flat out hypocricy?

Are you referring to SC 'cause he refused to claim, desp was hammered before he could claim. If you don't understand the difference in those two situations then idk what the fuck is wrong with you. I guess you could say "well there was only a day left." this is true and maybe means that even if Desp claimed VT it wouldn't have stopped his lynch.

I was slightly joking and I'm sorry for not putting the sarcasm tags on my post but both me and GIF are pretty meh on that slot and I wouldn't mind seeing that flip.

What do you think of 6241?

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:31 pm

In post 6247, Generic wrote:
In post 6233, KoreanBBQ wrote:or we could channel our inner BB Molla and pl the Bert slot for hammering Desp without a claim.
Are you being ironic there?

Or is that flat out hypocricy?

Are you referring to SC 'cause he refused to claim, desp was hammered before he could claim. If you don't understand the difference in those two situations then idk what the fuck is wrong with you. I guess you could say "well there was only a day left." this is true and maybe means that even if Desp claimed VT it wouldn't have stopped his lynch.

I was slightly joking and I'm sorry for not putting the sarcasm tags on my post but both me and GIF are pretty meh on that slot and I wouldn't mind seeing that flip.

What do you think of 6241?

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:29 am

In post 6256, Generic wrote:
In post 6255, Titus wrote:SC was never given the opportunity to claim. He was quickhammerred. Can y'all please start making sense?
I have pointed out KBBQ is being a hypocrite. So I'm with you on this.

But to defend against it with utter bollocks doesn't strike me as alignment indicative, more the erratic nature of the hydra.

But still, KBBQ I would like you to prove you didn't just quick hammer SC like you are calling beet scummy for.

In post 2978, Stuffed Crust wrote:
In post 2964, Mac wrote:hmmm??

In post 2965, Mac wrote:claim: shield?

or doc?

or vig

maybe?

perhaps am gambiting?

maybe I'm drunk!

yeaaAH
hey that was me

Here's where they had a chance to claim. they were at L-5 at that point. Then those two stopped posting despite Varsoon being around the site. When GIF hammered there was less than a day to dl, so given the circumstances (>day-dl, *a previous refusal to claim, someone actively avoiding the thread and someone that was super scummy, GIF being sick of day 1) his hammer makes more sense to me than Berts and I like know GIFs alignment and not Berts. *Now, in hindsight he (Macsoon) prob was hinting at being vig which only further disproves that they weren't given a chance to claim. I'm also not GIF so I dunno how that's any kind of hypocrisy, maybe a lil' hydra dis but that's it. So kindly stop your derp tunnel.

But like I said, it was also a lil' bit of a jokey statement. I think Bert's hammer is null 'cause I see bad town do it all the time (and as you pointed out, GIF did it.) But I like would not mind a Bert lynch at all, hence why I asked 6241. You might say its not a smoking gun (if he's scum it is) 'cause I don't get a lot of town vibes from his pushing on the SSK wagon like that but not joining it and now that we know that SSK is most likely to be scum it has me worried that it was maybe some early distancing. I don't have any experience with Bert so I don't know if that's scumbert or bad townbert.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:33 am

In post 6259, Titus wrote:but notably SSK didn't vote BBQ when he could actually be lynched.

????????????????

I fondly remember him jumping on my wagon when it was p healthy, I think he was like the 5th or 6th vote. How is that not voting me when I could have been lynched?

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:38 am

no sweat, dude. Leaving him alive prob helped 'cause now we get more reactions to him.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:45 am

In post 6273, Titus wrote:5-6 votes is not lynchable when lynch requires 11.

........................................................

My wagon was forming, it got a lil' higher (I think it got to 8?) so from his perspective his was hoping on a wagon that was likely to go through so to me your "oh look SSK didn't join a lynchable wagon on KBBQ" is nothing but an attempt to try and make it look like I'm a SSK buddy when the statement is obvious bullshit and no one but scum and shit town are going to buy that.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:03 pm

Town<<<kbbq, Gen,f-16, geists, Mara/GM, Casso, Pie, muffin, Bro, proph, SAD, Norl, Titus, SSK>>>scum

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:09 pm

In post 6304, Titus wrote:
In post 6303, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6302, Titus wrote:I lynch on the spot for that.
Exactly!
So my big question is why the fuck did that wagon dissolve? Voila.. More vidence you are scum.

Oh look. Not looking deeper into context yet again.
I'm not surprised.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:17 pm

your buddy Titus needs help.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:04 pm

BBQ, why do you keep pushing me as scum without evidence, I at least said mine.

[Yukkuri-aya.jpg]

Let's play a game. If I quote the "evidence" (you mean reason) for Titus-scum I posted in this game, you get to selfvote tomorrow and include the sentence "please lynch me" in every posts you make.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:11 pm

In post 6320, Titus wrote:BBQ, why do you keep pushing me as scum
without evidence
, I at least said mine.

*low whistle*

Well for one the bolded is something I find comes from scum pretty often.

Mine (and I assume GIF's as well) main issue is with the really really really bad push on our slot. The entire "Nero softclaimed vig" thing is beyond terrible.

he should play like it on Day one prior to his motive to claim

I mean, I didn't really like this since I don't think there's any "if you are this role, you play a certain way."

SSK vote parking on BBQ suggests he isn't scum but notably SSK didn't vote BBQ when he could actually be lynched.

We've already talked about this. I still think this looks like an attempt to link me with SSK. I think you are experienced enough to know that scum WILL hop on a buddies scum lynch for town cred so your calling me null kinda looks like you trying to distance yourself from said pitiful case.

I think your "well, this wagon wasn't going to go through." doesn't make a lot of sense 'cause for all intents and purposes SSK thought my wagon would go through.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:17 pm

Not really.
But I'm not gonna reiterate until titus accept to play the game.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:22 pm

+ there's a POE element and I wasn't a big Cephir fan.

I actually don't think you are as scummy as GIF does. I have enough experience with you that, to me, it looks like normal horrible Titus to me but the argument that your scumread is forced 'cause you are pushing a terrible terrible case and when everyone is telling you how bad your case is you just stick your fingers in your ears and yell "NOT LISTNING.", makes a lot of sense to me.

Nacho also made a post about you that I was agreeing with. Though I also agree with Fery that a pl on your slot would be perfectly fine.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:22 pm

+ there's a POE element and I wasn't a big Cephir fan.

I actually don't think you are as scummy as GIF does. I have enough experience with you that, to me, it looks like normal horrible Titus to me but the argument that your scumread is forced 'cause you are pushing a terrible terrible case and when everyone is telling you how bad your case is you just stick your fingers in your ears and yell "NOT LISTNING.", makes a lot of sense to me.

Nacho also made a post about you that I was agreeing with. Though I also agree with Fery that a pl on your slot would be perfectly fine.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:20 pm

Ahem

In post 6336, KoreanBBQ wrote:
BBQ, why do you keep pushing me as scum without evidence, I at least said mine.
[Yukkuri-aya.jpg]

Let's play a game. If I quote the "evidence" (you mean reason) for Titus-scum I posted in this game, you get to selfvote tomorrow and include the sentence "please lynch me" in every posts you make.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:22 pm

In post 6344, Titus wrote:I have played the game.

I'm talking about the 6336, if it wasn't clear.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:29 pm

In post 6344, Titus wrote:God, wading through all this AtE is headache inducing.

I don't think you know what AtE is.

I agree though two vigs is basically impossible but there's not 2 vigs and you harping on that is extremely stupid.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:22 pm

You mean quote. There is a big difference between quoting and posting you know.
Also 6348 proves that Titus is pushing us with some BS that she's not even willing to push it through with.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:22 pm

Which is scum move.

KoreanBBQ · Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:45 pm

In post 6427, Norlkaz wrote:People who are probably town:
Me

Why are you only probably town?

KoreanBBQ · Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:46 pm

In post 6409, Titus wrote:Yeah, come on. Look at it from an outsider's perspective...

Suspect claims scum drove up wagon... suspect clears all but the tail end as scum and the weakest player is scum. Suspect claims facts inconsistent with their own theory. The suspect's wagon was skipped by the suspect's own scumread in favor of another townread. It doesn't pass the smell test. Scum didn't drive up your wagon. Town did.

To be fair to Hana, these are the day 1 major wagons in FEA. (sans the wagon on scum)
PeregrineV 7 (chesskid3, Thirdkoopa, talah, ActionDan, Saki, Ellibereth, notscience)

only one team scum on this wagon

Makiavel 6 (Nero Cain, chesskid3, Ellibereth, GoodCop_BadCop, Rift Adrift, notscience)
one scum

Sakura Hana 7 (chesskid3, Ellibereth, T S O, GoodCop_BadCop, ActionDan, Nero Cain, Nat
no scum

talah 6 (BulbaFenix, Maestro, Nero Cain, Natirasha, Makiavel-slot, Sakura Hana)
one scum

This limited data suggests (and I personally have the same theory) that town are more responsible for running up a wagon than scum. I think its a totes natural town reaction to think a wagon is scum lead.

Hana is prob town unless you think she's faking the whole "I quit mafia!"/edit signature thing. I think someone called that the blacklist tell.
Do you think she is faking?

KoreanBBQ · Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:48 pm

In post 6433, geists wrote: @KBBQ do you guys have thoughts about the reads list I posted yesterday?

Why are you asking this? I'll have to iso to find it and get back to you.

We are a null read to you?

KoreanBBQ · Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:58 pm

In post 6327, geists wrote:
Town

MC Maraca/Ms Marangal
Good Morning
Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665)
KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) (stronger ffery read, lean town for Nati)

Lean Town

Generic
Sakura Hana
pieguyn

Limbo

F-16_Fighting_Falcon (ffery is lean-town, Nati is null)
Bert/Proph - More content from Proph will change this
zMuffinMan (Nati is lean-town, ffery is null)
Ser Arthur Dayne
Norkalz (Nati really doesn't like this version of llamarble. ffery is null and kinda likes that post that just popped up in p-edit)

Scum

BROseidon/Radiant Cowbells (close to null but his below-the-radar play on day 2 scares both of us. ffery is thinking really hard about xenoblade about now.
Ceph/Titus (fell from null-town in part due to argument with generic and in part due to titus entrance and subsequent horrible pushes.)
MafiaSSK - confscum

Mara/GM, Casso, KKB, Gen, Hana, pie, f-16, Proph, Muffin, SAD, Norl, RC, Titus, SSK<-that would be your list laid out.

In post 6308, KoreanBBQ wrote:Town<<<kbbq, Gen,f-16, geists, Mara/GM, Casso, Pie, muffin, Bro, proph, SAD, Norl, Titus, SSK>>>scum

Our lists seem pretty similar.

Do you think that you and Norl's reads converging makes him town?

KoreanBBQ · Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:59 pm

Also I'm going to watch part 3 of Klondike so we can disscuss more later.

KoreanBBQ · Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:59 pm

Also I'm going to watch part 3 of Klondike so we can disscuss more later.

KoreanBBQ · Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:02 pm

I like that icecream.

KoreanBBQ · Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:44 am

In post 6445, Titus wrote:
In post 6437, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 6409, Titus wrote:Yeah, come on. Look at it from an outsider's perspective...

Suspect claims scum drove up wagon... suspect clears all but the tail end as scum and the weakest player is scum. Suspect claims facts inconsistent with their own theory. The suspect's wagon was skipped by the suspect's own scumread in favor of another townread. It doesn't pass the smell test. Scum didn't drive up your wagon. Town did.
To be fair to Hana, these are the day 1 major wagons in FEA. (sans the wagon on scum)
PeregrineV 7 (chesskid3, Thirdkoopa, talah, ActionDan, Saki, Ellibereth, notscience)

only one team scum on this wagon

Makiavel 6 (Nero Cain, chesskid3, Ellibereth, GoodCop_BadCop, Rift Adrift, notscience)
one scum

Sakura Hana 7 (chesskid3, Ellibereth, T S O, GoodCop_BadCop, ActionDan, Nero Cain, Nat
no scum

talah 6 (BulbaFenix, Maestro, Nero Cain, Natirasha, Makiavel-slot, Sakura Hana)
one scum

This limited data suggests (and I personally have the same theory) that town are more responsible for running up a wagon than scum. I think its a totes natural town reaction to think a wagon is scum lead.

Hana is prob town unless you think she's faking the whole "I quit mafia!"/edit signature thing. I think someone called that the blacklist tell.
Do you think she is faking?
If someone is aware of a tell, you have to be considering the possibility of a fake.

I LOVE fucking with tells as scum. It was my main drive in Fire and Ice.

Except that's kinda not what I asked. I asked if you believe she is faking it. Since you have a scumread on it then I guess you do believe that. I've considered the possibility that it's fake and considering that her scum meta is essentially "fakes town tells" its plenty possible that she's faking here. When she pulled this "OMFG I HATE MS"/"lynch me." crap in FEA I thought it was the scummiest shit but she was somehow town. She's not doing the whole lynch me crap and she refused to claim here as where she did claim in FEA. Do you think her refusal to claim here but claiming as town in FEA makes her scum? This is like 50/50 policy lynch territory me thinks. GIF thinks she's really town though. Talk to me about her play in FEA and here. What are the big differences?

KoreanBBQ · Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:44 am

In post 6445, Titus wrote:
In post 6437, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 6409, Titus wrote:Yeah, come on. Look at it from an outsider's perspective...

Suspect claims scum drove up wagon... suspect clears all but the tail end as scum and the weakest player is scum. Suspect claims facts inconsistent with their own theory. The suspect's wagon was skipped by the suspect's own scumread in favor of another townread. It doesn't pass the smell test. Scum didn't drive up your wagon. Town did.
To be fair to Hana, these are the day 1 major wagons in FEA. (sans the wagon on scum)
PeregrineV 7 (chesskid3, Thirdkoopa, talah, ActionDan, Saki, Ellibereth, notscience)

only one team scum on this wagon

Makiavel 6 (Nero Cain, chesskid3, Ellibereth, GoodCop_BadCop, Rift Adrift, notscience)
one scum

Sakura Hana 7 (chesskid3, Ellibereth, T S O, GoodCop_BadCop, ActionDan, Nero Cain, Nat
no scum

talah 6 (BulbaFenix, Maestro, Nero Cain, Natirasha, Makiavel-slot, Sakura Hana)
one scum

This limited data suggests (and I personally have the same theory) that town are more responsible for running up a wagon than scum. I think its a totes natural town reaction to think a wagon is scum lead.

Hana is prob town unless you think she's faking the whole "I quit mafia!"/edit signature thing. I think someone called that the blacklist tell.
Do you think she is faking?
If someone is aware of a tell, you have to be considering the possibility of a fake.

I LOVE fucking with tells as scum. It was my main drive in Fire and Ice.

Except that's kinda not what I asked. I asked if you believe she is faking it. Since you have a scumread on it then I guess you do believe that. I've considered the possibility that it's fake and considering that her scum meta is essentially "fakes town tells" its plenty possible that she's faking here. When she pulled this "OMFG I HATE MS"/"lynch me." crap in FEA I thought it was the scummiest shit but she was somehow town. She's not doing the whole lynch me crap and she refused to claim here as where she did claim in FEA. Do you think her refusal to claim here but claiming as town in FEA makes her scum? This is like 50/50 policy lynch territory me thinks. GIF thinks she's really town though. Talk to me about her play in FEA and here. What are the big differences?

KoreanBBQ · Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:51 am

In post 6454, Generic wrote:This list is interesting because you are more sure of geists than of the masons... And also more sure of f16 who to be fair to him has not blacklist telled, been gun Smithed or claimed a town PR.

To be fair, I (and I think GIF too, dunno) don't think the masons are confirmed town either. They could very well be masons (hence why I have no desire to lynch them) but some of Mara and GM's play doesn't fill me with big town vibes.

Why did you not call us on this?

KoreanBBQ · Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:53 am

In post 6461, Titus wrote:
In post 6458, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 6445, Titus wrote:
In post 6437, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 6409, Titus wrote:Yeah, come on. Look at it from an outsider's perspective...

Suspect claims scum drove up wagon... suspect clears all but the tail end as scum and the weakest player is scum. Suspect claims facts inconsistent with their own theory. The suspect's wagon was skipped by the suspect's own scumread in favor of another townread. It doesn't pass the smell test. Scum didn't drive up your wagon. Town did.
To be fair to Hana, these are the day 1 major wagons in FEA. (sans the wagon on scum)
PeregrineV 7 (chesskid3, Thirdkoopa, talah, ActionDan, Saki, Ellibereth, notscience)

only one team scum on this wagon

Makiavel 6 (Nero Cain, chesskid3, Ellibereth, GoodCop_BadCop, Rift Adrift, notscience)
one scum

Sakura Hana 7 (chesskid3, Ellibereth, T S O, GoodCop_BadCop, ActionDan, Nero Cain, Nat
no scum

talah 6 (BulbaFenix, Maestro, Nero Cain, Natirasha, Makiavel-slot, Sakura Hana)
one scum

This limited data suggests (and I personally have the same theory) that town are more responsible for running up a wagon than scum. I think its a totes natural town reaction to think a wagon is scum lead.

Hana is prob town unless you think she's faking the whole "I quit mafia!"/edit signature thing. I think someone called that the blacklist tell.
Do you think she is faking?
If someone is aware of a tell, you have to be considering the possibility of a fake.

I LOVE fucking with tells as scum. It was my main drive in Fire and Ice.
Except that's kinda not what I asked. I asked if you believe she is faking it. Since you have a scumread on it then I guess you do believe that. I've considered the possibility that it's fake and considering that her scum meta is essentially "fakes town tells" its plenty possible that she's faking here. When she pulled this "OMFG I HATE MS"/"lynch me." crap in FEA I thought it was the scummiest shit but she was somehow town. She's not doing the whole lynch me crap and she refused to claim here as where she did claim in FEA. Do you think her refusal to claim here but claiming as town in FEA makes her scum? This is like 50/50 policy lynch territory me thinks. GIF thinks she's really town though.
Talk to me about her play in FEA and here.
What are the big differences?
If you are asking me the bolded, and you are the Nero head, you have not learned much from playing with me. Meta isn't relevant (as it can be emulated like you said). Rather, what people say about meta is important. The way SH uses it to "self-confirm" is scummy as hell.

I did the same, use meta to self-confirm, and it won us the game partially. So if a player vouches for their own towntell, I ignore the argument entirely.

I wasn't really asking for meta....I mean the only reason you think she's scum is 'cause she's faking town tells, is that right?

KoreanBBQ · Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:54 am

@Hana

Why did you claim in FEA but didn't claim here?

KoreanBBQ · Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:01 am

In post 6471, Titus wrote:SH has overly hinted at her role. I will call her bluff when she gets in lynch range. Hopefully tomorrow. It's anti-town the way she is using her role though if I am right on her hints. Then again, it makes sense if she's scum.

Says the person that thinks I softclaimed vig.

KoreanBBQ · Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:06 am

In post 6471, Titus wrote:if I am right on her hints.

Why are you using IF language here but so convinced that I softclaimed?

KoreanBBQ · Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:17 am

In post 6477, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6475, Sakura Hana wrote:Here let me help you out
I'm surprised pieguy never brought this up. Now please stop townreading me off a non-existant "towntell"
Nor GiF... hmm...

That's prob why my read on you flipped at some point

KoreanBBQ · Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:18 am

In post 6479, Titus wrote:Korean, because I want to be the one to call SH's bluff. People will race for towncred if I laid it out there. I don't want SH lynched in a race fot towncred but bc she us scum. In fact, too many people wanting to be the hammer ensures SH will not get lynched. That and Sakura is a little harder for me to crack as she isn't crumbing that like I would. Your crumbs are just like I wrote the.

you do know that I'm not you right? So you going "I'D DO THAT SO YOU MUST BE DOING THAT AS WELL!" is p derpy and I agree that its starting to look forced.

Pie was 100% that GIF had given me permission to vote for Hana and most everyone on this site knows that I use kill and lynch.

KoreanBBQ · Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:20 am

In post 6475, Sakura Hana wrote:Here let me help you out
I'm surprised pieguy never brought this up. Now please stop townreading me off a non-existant "towntell"

Someone already told me that you d this crap regardless of alignment.

So do we pl this at some point, GIF?

KoreanBBQ · Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:22 am

In post 6485, KoreanBBQ wrote:So do we pl this at some point, GIF?

Nope.