NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Empire]

Day 2, Votecount 34

Desperado (6)

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MC Maraca, Casso the King of Seals, Sakura Hana, Generic, geists, Cephrir

Casso the King of Seals (6)

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goodmorning, BROseidon, zMuffinMan, Desperado, Bert, DOMO

Cephrir (2)

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F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Norlkaz

Bert (2)

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KoreanBBQ, Ser Arthur Dayne

Ser Arthur Dayne (1)

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pieguyn

Not Voting (1)

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MafiaSSK

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch! Deadline is on January 11th at 10:10 AM EST (expired on 2014-01-11 11:10:12)

Mod Notes

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fferyllt head of geists is V/LA until the 8th. GuyInFreezer head of KoreanBBQ is V/LA until Friday.

[Cephrir]

I have been justifying it.

I'm not as convinced as I started out (shhhh its a secret) but still think it's the best wagon by a longshot. If you'd prefer I move to you though perhaps that could be arranged (not really).

It disturbs me that you're scumreading me here after correctly scumreading me in my other two games with you ever (I think my play is pretty different here). I guess you just think I'm scum all the time and I've been giving you too much credit!

Thor managed to read someone correctly???

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Casso

Thanks for making this easy for me

Cephrir, was this post genuine?

Yes =/

I don't know why you bothered to phrase this as a question, though?

[Bert]

Aww a stalemate with 1 day plus to go. I'm so happy to see us fighting so hard!

[Casso the King of Seals]

I was wondering whether it was ongoing games mind games or a genuine response since I still like the immediate attack on me for attacking you as opposed to the threatening suspicion in ASOIAF. Why did you think me scumreading you here would be a scumtell for me?

[Cephrir]

Even though I knew you were reading me wrong there, I still expect you to not get it wrong in the other direction. Especially given you didn't know I was scum in the other game yet and I hadn't been Scumriring (well, much anyway) in either game, suspecting me here would have been basically a scumclaim before now.

I suppose mindgaming might have played into it a little but still it was basically an honest reaction. You have a license to scumread me now, but you didn't then.

[Casso the King of Seals]

That makes sense.
I think old meta tells for you still apply (for the most part): in ASOIAF I noticed that you had a couple slow reactions there because it goes against your scum instincts (Benmage partial counterclaim instead of NO, FUCK THIS SHIT was the biggest one, but the way you treated me doubting you there as opposed to how you handled what you thought was me doubting you here is the other big one). I haven't noticed anything like that here.

I'm interested in what ffery thinks.

[Bert]

Burying you is such a long, painful process

[Generic]

VOTE: Desperado

Well, at least the stupidity has given me some scum reads, but alas, it seems I shan't get to vote them today, on principle or otherwise.

Bert, if you can sell me the casso wagon over the desperado wagon I will move my vote.

Away you go.

[Cephrir]

Hey Bert/whoever is voting Casso.

If Casso is scum, why is he bothering to try to sort me right now, and ending up on town? He doesn't need to score points with me, I have already expressed that I will basically vote any reasonable counterwagon.

[Generic]

And I was going to comment on how ludicrous that move of vote was btw but decided I simply couldn't be bothered anymore...

Just forgot up knock off the quote

[Bert]

Vote: Desperado

Nacho's probably right about Desperado if Nacho's town.

Big IF though. Oh well.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Desperado

Well, at least the stupidity has given me some scum reads, but alas, it seems I shan't get to vote them today, on principle or otherwise.

Bert, if you can sell me the casso wagon over the desperado wagon I will move my vote.

Away you go.

Lol, don't give me that shit. It's been obvious I would ultimately vote Desperado for days.

[Bert]

If Casso is scum, why is he bothering to try to sort me right now, and ending up on town? He doesn't need to score points with me, I have already expressed that I will basically vote any reasonable counterwagon.

If scum, he wants to make sure he has secured a vote from you on any reasonable counterwagon and that things stay in the status quo. (by continuing to convince you even when it's not necessary)

[Cephrir]

And I was going to comment on how ludicrous that move of vote was btw but decided I simply couldn't be bothered anymore...

Just forgot up knock off the quote

There are 2 days to deadline. Anyone not voting Casso/Desp is being silly. It's obvious no wagon on you is going anywhere.

This is all really flagrantly fucking obvious.

[Cephrir]

If Casso is scum, why is he bothering to try to sort me right now, and ending up on town? He doesn't need to score points with me, I have already expressed that I will basically vote any reasonable counterwagon.

If scum, he wants to make sure he has secured a vote from you on any reasonable counterwagon and that things stay in the status quo. (by continuing to convince you even when it's not necessary)

But he already had that. As I'm pretty sure I had made clear.

[Generic]

Love the choice of photo to emphasise the point.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Unvote
Vote: Desperado

I'm just going to go ahead and pretend I agree with the "scumslip" or whatever other reason people are voting him right now, mainly because I have an independent scumread on him. But it'll look better if it looks like I'm conforming to the town's wishes.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also for the wackos in the crowd who need their hand guided take Bert's most recent votes, put them all one after another, and come to the conclusion that they're all sketchy as fuck. Thx.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Spoiler:

Vote: SSK

Vote: Casso

Trusting my instincts that tell me that the people with cases on Casso make points that are justified and point to Casso-scum in most likelihood.

Let the door go boom or bust.

Vote: MafiaSSK

Vote: Casso

sneaking off for a few mins while under pure euphoria of halftime Aubie Seminoles

just looked at Nacho's iso

unvote

This will support the notion that I'm "deciding" which of my "partners SSK and NACHO" to bus.

Vote: Ser Arthur Dayne

Nachos to disingenuous in the past few pages

Vote: Casso

Kaboom. Lollapalooza

Vote: Desperado

Nacho's probably right about Desperado if Nacho's town.

Big IF though. Oh well.

What type of fence ya building there?

[Bert]

You and Nero can hate all you want, but I fence sit regardless of alignment, and so it's not a tell.

Good to see you finally give up on wagoning me today though. Good luck with that D3 when almost everyone else is well familiar with my game. Plus, I'm fully back in this game now that holidays are over, so the going will just get harder.

[Empire]

Prodding MafiaSSK.

[geists]

That makes sense.
I think old meta tells for you still apply (for the most part): in ASOIAF I noticed that you had a couple slow reactions there because it goes against your scum instincts (Benmage partial counterclaim instead of NO, FUCK THIS SHIT was the biggest one, but the way you treated me doubting you there as opposed to how you handled what you thought was me doubting you here is the other big one). I haven't noticed anything like that here.

I'm interested in what ffery thinks.

We knew his alignment in NY 167, so I know that my impressions of his play from that game aren't town-impressions. But, his stances, frustrations, ah ha's, you name it all came from such an authentic place in that game. I followed the asoiaf game but didn't fine tooth comb ISOs and reread and stuff. Your comments about his play there vs here make sense, though.

I just wish I was getting the obvtown vibe from NY 167 here.

[Cephrir]

It's really easy to feel good about your position and obvtown when you're a vig.

[geists]

It's really easy to feel good about your position and obvtown when you're a vig.

For you maybe. For someone who was never a credible wagon through it all, I collected a ridiculous number of FoSes during the first 2 days of the Death's Diner game.

But, like I said earlier, the commonality between your two town games where you really did obvtown IMO is that you had a high stakes role in both.

[Sakura Hana]

So I guess Bert now disagrees with this:

Sakura, Desperado is an asset to town if town too.